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Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up * 1
    #26336475 - 11/21/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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guess I should have started a new topic on this...






So there's quite a lot to this story, but the brief overview is that Cielo Drive (where the Sharon Tate murder happened) became the hub of a drug dealing scene involving Hollywood elite and members of the Manson Family. Jay Siebring & Wojciech Frykowski (both murdered that night) were known to be a key hookup for drugs among Hollywood stars, and the night of the murders they were scheduled to receive a large drop off from the Manson Fam connects. Sharon Tate actually pleaded with Roman Polanski to get these people out of their house, or to move themselves somewhere else prior to the murders because of all this. The murders were the result of a drug deal gone bad, involving a methed up Tex Watson and Linda Kasabian who were both sociopaths already, and known for drug deal burns.

The Cielo Drive mansion was a key drug scene and also hosted big, 60s swinging styled orgy parties among the Hollywood players. Some of these parties got pretty crazy involving some S&M type shit, and supposedly some of this stuff was filmed as well.

Abigail Folger was also involved in bankrolling some of this drug business.

When the murders happened, there were so many rich & powerful people involved in the scene that it was all basically covered up in order to avoid the fallout... this was back in the days when the super rich/powerful could easily control what got out to the media through bribery, etc.

The "Helter Skelter" story was a fabrication by Vincent Bugliosi, created to cover up what really happened and also serving other interests at the time regarding creating a myth of a hippie drug cult turned murderers. Bugliosi made a deal with Linda Kasabian (who actually committed the murders) that if she agreed to testify with his Helter Skelter scenario, then she would be given immunity and she agreed. She didn't come up with this story on her own and never brought it up until Bugliosi made the deal with her.


Bugliosi has connections to well known, powerful mob lawyers in relation to how he got put onto this case.


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The purpose of this is not hard to discern, and one does not have to propose any kind of orchestrated conspiracy. Simply that the establishment in LA instinctively wanted to prevent the dark underbelly of its most important export - Hollywood itself, been exposed to the world.

Because underneath the glitter of Tinseltown lay an open secret, since its early days the fantasies of Hollywood have been built on the seedy foundation of illegal drugs and mob money, with all the brutal violence that inevitably follows.

According to Schreck's research in the Manson file, what transpired at Cielo drive in the early hours of August 9th 1969 was the bloody consequences of a turf war between ambitious small-time drug dealer Tex Watson and established suppliers Wojciech Frykowski and Jay Sebring over the lucrative Hollywood drug scene.

Sebring and Frykowski have both been named by several authors over the years as suppliers of narcotics to actors and musicians in Hollywood. A loose-knit network of stars that included such names as Mama Cass and Steve McQueen, as well as Polanski and Tate, whose house at Cielo Drive appeared to be a base for some of the dealing.

Both the FBI and the LA Police had evidence for drug dealing at Polanski's property. An FBI report dated 19 August refers to the possibility and police reports after the murders suggest a variety of different drugs were found in Jay Sebring's black Porsche parked near the house.

The police's second homicide report into the Tate murders also quotes Sebring receptionist Karlene Anne McCaffrey about how Mafia drug dealer Joel Rostau had visited the property on the night of the murders to deal drugs with Sebring and Frykowski.


Long, full article at:
https://theunredacted.com/helter-skelter-coming-down-fast/





Manson Victim's Friend Posits Alternative Motive: "I Never Bought Into the Race War Theory"


Nikolas Schreck has done the most in depth research on this, and has been given direct insider info from several people who were involved with both the Cielo Drive crowd and Manson Family, including a long term relationship with Charles Manson himself.

Schreck's final updated version of his massive book, The Manson File: Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, is supposed to be released soon. If interested, recommended to get a copy asap because used copies of old versions sell for over $100


Audio interviews:

https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/schreck4/

https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/ep-37-nikolas-schreck-on-charles-manson-other-controversies/

There are more interviews with Schreck out there, if interested.. check youtubez. The first interview linked above also includes some interesting bits about Anton LaVey being a total twat who among other things, allowed one of his money sources to molest a kid in his family. (Schreck married LaVey's daughter, Zeena)


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: pixelpopper] * 1
    #26336507 - 11/21/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Crimes almost always have a police or govt version of the truth, aka a cover up. 

A LSD fueled cult that kills innocent virgin marry hollywood actors gets a lot of fan fair.

Kinda like the stories they give people to invade a country, like I dunno, Iraq.  Mostly because they have doubts in the facts and lack brainpower.


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26336527 - 11/21/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

interesting


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26336542 - 11/21/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Manson Victim's Friend Posits Alternative Motive: "I Never Bought Into the Race War Theory"





This article just came out a few months back, and its quoting the guy who was trained by Jay Sebring to be his follow up in the hair biz, which was actually really big business among the Hollywood scene. He was very close to Sebring and this crowd at Cielo Drive. He doesn't go into much detail, but he does confirm that Helter Skelter is BS and those involved in this scene have always know its total BS. According to Schreck, these people have long been afraid to come out and say anything due to heavy fears of retaliation from organized crime figures.

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Sebring was introduced to Sharon Tate by journalist Joe Hyams in October 1964 and they began a relationship.

Tate went to London in early 1966 to work on The Fearless Vampire Killers with film director Roman Polanski. They began a relationship, and Tate ended her relationship with Sebring, who travelled to London to meet Polanski. He befriended Polanski, while remaining a friend to Tate. Polanski would later comment that despite Sebring's lifestyle, he was a very lonely person, who regarded Tate and Polanski as his family.

In the summer of 1968, Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate introduced Sebring to Polanski's friend Wojciech Frykowski and his girlfriend, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, who had recently moved to Los Angeles from New York. Folger later invested in Sebring's hair-care products for men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Sebring





Read between the lines... "Folger later invested in Sebring's hair-care products for men."  Yeah... hair care products, among other business ventures.


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: Niffla]
    #26336545 - 11/21/19 05:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Strange crap man. Like it really happened. People on LSD don't murder, they jump into empty pools. At least that is what someone told me. Funny that rave by the docks in Oakland no one jumped into the water even though some circus peeps were on cycles and shit and could have fallen in to the bay.


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: FungiMaster]
    #26337137 - 11/21/19 10:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting to see this gaining traction again.  Kenneth Anger has been talking about this for decades.


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: lavod]
    #26337193 - 11/21/19 11:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, I've been paying attention to it for quite a while now but nobody ever seems to care much... strange considering how popular the Helter Skelter mythology is :justdontknow:

Kinda like Morel Guy says, I guess people get caught up in the fan fare and aren't open to more realistic explanations.

Organized crime / the mafia has heavy ties in Old Hollywood... not just individual relations but many of the big films from the 70s and before were financed by the mob.


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26337220 - 11/21/19 11:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Another funny thing to consider, the same people who accept that MK Ultra was a failure of a program also believe that somehow Charles Manson was able to succeed where the military/CIA failed in creating LSD-mind-controlled assassins :lmafo:


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26372702 - 12/10/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of his babbling has a realistic feel to it as well seems like the perfect fall guy. Considering his obvious mental health issues


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: Thekd95]
    #26372992 - 12/10/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'd think being a social outcast, a son of a prostitute, and decades in prison could do that to a person.


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26373068 - 12/10/19 12:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely agree I’m just saying his mental health issues made him the perfect fall guy if there was a cover up


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Re: Helter Skelter / The Manson Family cover up [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26373080 - 12/10/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I just heard of this book on NPR this summer, haven't read it yet.


On a sweltering morning 50 years ago this month, a maid arriving at a secluded Beverly Hills estate found a scene of horror: five dead bodies strewn about the isolated house, among them pregnant actress Sharon Tate, who had rented the property with her husband, director Roman Polanski. Blood was everywhere; it had even been used to scrawl the word “pig” on the house’s front door. The next night, grocery store owner Leno LaBianca and his wife were slaughtered in similar fashion, the killers again leaving bloody messages, including a misspelled “Healter Skelter.” America was terrified.


Nearly four months passed before the killers were arrested, a strange group of flower children who had lived at an abandoned movie ranch under the spell of their leader, Charles Manson. The murders had been bizarre, but the alleged motive argued by prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi in court and expanded in his best-selling book, “Helter Skelter,” was even more so: an ex-convict who claimed to be both Jesus Christ and Satan, whose (mainly) middle-class followers had seemingly turned into drug-addicted zombies and killed to bring about the end of the world. The Bible and the Beatles’ song, Manson held, both predicted a race war, during which he and his so-called Family would live in a bottomless pit in the desert before emerging to rule the world. But as journalist Tom O’Neill shows in his new book, “Chaos,” Bugliosi’s flamboyant theory, rather than revealing the truth, merely concealed a tangled mass of contradictory motives in this most infamous of American crimes.

Conspiracy theories have ringed the Manson case since 1969, with allegations of drug deals gone bad, CIA-sponsored mind control experiments, celebrity sex tapes and revenge after producer Terry Melcher (Doris Day’s son, who had previously lived at the Tate house) did not give the cult leader a recording contract. It’s a confusing, often conflicting journey, as I learned writing my 2000 biography of Tate. O’Neill attempts to burrow deep beneath the surface of the murders. This isn’t so much a history of the crimes as it is a chronicle of his investigation. It started as a feature for now-defunct Premiere magazine in 1999; it took O’Neill 20 years of intensive research, and hundreds of interviews, to bring his story to its ambiguous conclusion. Along the way, he found legal misconduct, suppressed information and loose connections suggesting a much darker picture of what may have led to the 1969 murders.

It’s probably no accident that this book appeared after Bugliosi’s death in 2015: O’Neill uncovered troubling indications that the prosecutor may have withheld evidence from the defense and perhaps suborned perjury, strong-armed witnesses and lied during the trials, in an effort to strengthen his “Helter Skelter” motive. “Much of what we accept as fact,” O’Neill writes of the case, “is fiction.”

Some of O’Neill’s discoveries are stunning, especially when he’s discussing the inexplicable leniency shown by law enforcement officials and by Manson’s parole officer. Both before and after the August murders, Manson and several members of his group were arrested for various crimes but never charged. O’Neill speculates that this may have led to some sort of later coverup, meant to conceal the fact that inaction may have resulted in additional deaths.

There’s also a previously unknown telephone call that may have set the Tate-LaBianca murders into motion. In late July 1969, Manson associate Bobby Beausoleil and two female “Family” members killed musician Gary Hinman. Hoping to cast blame on the Black Panthers, they’d left the message “Political Piggy” scrawled on a wall in Hinman’s blood. On Aug. 8 Beausoleil made a jailhouse call to his fellow cultists: He’d been arrested for Hinman’s murder and needed “help,” adding, “Leave a sign.” Manson repeated this admonition to the foursome he sent to the Tate house just hours later; the “sign” took the form of “pig” written in Tate’s blood on the front door, presumably in the hope that police would think Hinman’s killer was still on the loose. O’Neill confirmed the call with two former detectives who, thinking (rightly) that they’d linked the Hinman and Tate murders, found their inquiries quashed by superiors. Other details, though, are less convincing, including claims, decades after the fact, that a shadowy figure (and possible CIA agent) knew of the Tate murders before the maid discovered the bodies.

O’Neill worries that his explorations make him “one of ‘those people’: an obsessive, a conspiracy theorist, a lunatic.” Indeed, the last third of the book tosses in shadowy figures and their possible connections to Manson. There’s the CIA, hoping to use unwitting hippies in San Francisco to study the effects of LSD; the director of the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, investigating whether amphetamines led to violence; and even suggestions that a man tied to Lee Harvey Oswald assassin Jack Ruby may have crossed paths with Manson and used him in some kind of unofficial mind-control investigation. It’s all intriguing, perhaps even suggestive of some dark motive behind the murders, but O’Neill is unable to make the connections or even reach any firm conclusions: “I didn’t have a smoking gun,” the author admits.

There’s plenty of new information that makes “Chaos” a worthwhile addition to the canon of Manson literature, even if it ends without a unified theory of the crimes and their motivations. “My goal isn’t to say what did happen,” O’Neill explains, “it’s to prove that the official story didn’t.” In that he succeeds. Helter Skelter may no longer convince as a motive, but, with Manson’s death in 2017, it is unlikely that history will ever penetrate the remaining mysteries surrounding the grisly events that summer of 1969.

Chaos

Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties

By Tom O’Neill

Little, Brown. 520 pp. $30


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