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What is this?
    #26336144 - 11/21/19 03:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

My jars approached full colonization today, but I noticed something when I got home from work. There is a little copper colored light brown blob, I'm not sure if I need to be worried about this or not...? I was just about to spawn to bulk in a tub after I just got home. I've included a picture. Any ideas on what this is or could be? I can't find anything on it.



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Re: What is this? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26336146 - 11/21/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like a jar of mycelium to me. Birth it.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Rot]
    #26336159 - 11/21/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Do you see what I'm talking about though? It's a little copper colored blob bubble thing. Or is this normal and nothing to be worried about?


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Re: What is this? [Re: Rot]
    #26336161 - 11/21/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The colored liquid is metabolites. The uncolonized grain could be bacterial. It's not a perfect jar, but good enough. I've had plenty of good results with spawn like that. Probably best as a shoebox candidate.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Failboat]
    #26336166 - 11/21/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That's my plan exactly, to do a shoebox mini tub. I soaked my grains beforehand, boiled them, the whole deal. So are you saying it's bacteria? Or it's nothing that is going to affect my grow?


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Re: What is this? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26336173 - 11/21/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Both. Next time you could skip the soak before the boil, but that's not relevant to the quality of this spawn.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Failboat]
    #26336186 - 11/21/19 03:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So this bacteria isn't any contamination to my grow? Everything will still turn out fine? How does the quality of my spawn seem?


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Re: What is this? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26336424 - 11/21/19 05:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Technically it is a contamination. I expect it to turn out fine. The quality seems slightly bacterial, but good enough to produce fruits.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Failboat]
    #26336516 - 11/21/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Both. Next time you could skip the soak before the boil, but that's not relevant to the quality of this spawn.



So i dont need to soak my rye berries over night? I can just cook them, strain, then pc?


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Re: What is this? [Re: Beerusthedestroyer]
    #26336531 - 11/21/19 05:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. Soaking us outdated and if anything breeds bacteria. The whole point of boiling grains is to force hydrate them. Be sure to not overcook them and then thoroughly dry them to the touch.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Beerusthedestroyer]
    #26336589 - 11/21/19 05:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Both. Next time you could skip the soak before the boil, but that's not relevant to the quality of this spawn.



So i dont need to soak my rye berries over night? I can just cook them, strain, then pc?




You don’t even need to cook them. Check out caps prepless pint masters tek. It can be used for any grain I believe.

I stopped doing the pre-cook cuz it is a waste of time to me. I dust off the grains, put grains in quart iars, add water and pc. Grains come out perfect.


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Re: What is this? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26336660 - 11/21/19 06:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Cool. Ive pc'd grains by adding a cup of grain to a qt jar with 2/3 to 3/4 a cup of water and they worked fine but they were dirty asf... How do you "dust off the grains"?
Thank you Quirk and san pedro! It'll be nice skipping the soak from now on.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Failboat]
    #26336720 - 11/21/19 06:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes. Soaking us outdated and if anything breeds bacteria. The whole point of boiling grains is to force hydrate them. Be sure to not overcook them and then thoroughly dry them to the touch.



It's not outdated lol...the first ways to prep grain were boiling/ simmering and measuring.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Failboat]
    #26336758 - 11/21/19 07:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I did everything down to the T, I had no other forewarning signs of anything, and once today my jars colonize to 100% and about to spawn, a gold bubble looking thing appears. I hope that isn't going to ruin the couple weeks of hard work and patience. What else about my spawn seems bacterial to you? I'm making my bulk substrate and about to spawn. I've been reading some things saying this secretion is a byproduct of mycelium colonization... So you've had this exact thing and were till successful in spawning to bulk and fruiting? And is there anything else I specifically need to look out for from this after I spawn to bulk? Your answers and guidance are appreciated.


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Re: What is this? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26336820 - 11/21/19 07:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Cool. Ive pc'd grains by adding a cup of grain to a qt jar with 2/3 to 3/4 a cup of water and they worked fine but they were dirty asf... How do you "dust off the grains"?
Thank you Quirk and san pedro! It'll be nice skipping the soak from now on.




I’m pretty small scale so I usually only do 2 quarts at a time but long story short, to remove the dust I put the grain in a big mixing bowl and hit it with a hair dryer. I shake the grain around like I’m sautéing shrimp and all the dust, plus empty hulls fly out. Can’t be too close or the whole grains will come out too. It takes about 30-60 seconds.

It does make a huge mess so recommend doing outside or vacuum right after :thumbup:


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Re: What is this? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26336872 - 11/21/19 08:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Personally i feel that one drop of metabolite wud keep me from using that jar as a g2g master, but thats all. Ive spawned all kinda horrible shit. Lotta nasty tubs. One drop of metabolite, no big deal.

Spawn contamination for me happens at inoculation, ir it was hiding on a plate covered by mycelium.


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Re: What is this? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26336878 - 11/21/19 08:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe outdated is the wrong word. I was thinking about how the notion of soaking to germinate endospores is bygone. Anyhoo if you're gonna simmer/boil there's no need to soak.

OP those small spots of wet looking uncolonized grains smushed against glass and the fingerlike myc all over is a sign of bacteria if I'm not mistaken and I had jars just like that my frist grow. Turned out perfectly fine, even had multiple flushes. Don't worry about it so much. Did you start with agar?


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Re: What is this? [Re: Failboat]
    #26336917 - 11/21/19 08:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Dude I'd spawn that to a shoebox no problem you will get fruits if nothing else shows up. But you just gotta understand that ppl here are gonna critique your grow like its a job interview and that's what you want so you can learn. However a lot of them won't tell you bacterial jars still fruit 90% of new growers spawn bacterial jars it's mold that will end your grow unless you just get the nastiest bacteria ever. The fact is the cleaner the better but doesn't meen your fucked just live and learn ( learn agar ) and you'll be fine don't get scared off by bacteria learn to elimate it.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Failboat]
    #26336925 - 11/21/19 08:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't agree with not pre soaking rye. I love rye but don't short cut it. Do it right and it's flawless. Soak to pre hydrate  to avoid bursting on the boil. It's not an endospore thing it's for perfectly hydrated grain. Check my sig for rye.

As far as sketchy jars go, I've  got in the habit of shaking every jar I have at 95-100% then let it recover for 2-3 days. If it doesn't recover strong it's trash. It also gives the spawn a leg up going to a non-sterile environment.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Beerusthedestroyer]
    #26337011 - 11/21/19 09:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Both. Next time you could skip the soak before the boil, but that's not relevant to the quality of this spawn.



So i dont need to soak my rye berries over night? I can just cook them, strain, then pc?




I don't soak mine at all. I just boil them.

Soaking them is pointless and a waste of time.

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