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What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried
#26335800 - 11/21/19 11:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey all, so I'm consolidating info before I go into one big grow before the holidays and everything. My target weight dried is 1lb by new years day. I want to challenge myself and I feel like it's super possible. I've read that a tub can produce as much as 6oz dried. Is this in one flush, or across the life of the substrate before its exausted? Will i need to do lots of isolation and such to get a tub to produce numbers like that?
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: Kazoo_bard]
#26335825 - 11/21/19 12:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The yield entirely depends on genetics, substrate and spawn amounts/ ratios, conditions and cleanliness of spawn.
Short answer: If your spawn is clean, your substrate is prepped correctly and your genetics are good, you can hope to pull 1 ounce (dry) per quart of spawn. You don't have to isolate genetics to pull this off. Ms can certainly do it but there is no guarantee. Clones have a much better chance (imo). When you grow out MS tubs there is no way to know how it'll preform until you grow it out. It may do well and it may suck balls. Cloning a fruit or five and growing them out is a pretty surefire way to get a good culture.
1 ounce per quart is not the best that can happen but it is a reasonable goal. The cultures i have that i like give off a half pound (dry) over two flushes.
here are a few pics of a project i'm working on at the moment. I took spores from a bunch of fruits and germinated and cleaned up on agar. They grew out in shoe boxes like so...

As you can see, the results were ok but not stellar. That's what MS will do sometimes. So i snatched the nicest looking fruits and cloned them. I then grew them out in 66 quart monotubs with 4 quarts spawn and about 8 quarts coir. They turned out like so...


As you can see, cloning from desirable fruits can really really up the game. This is not at all to say that MS tubs can't pull off similar results. It's just not as sure a thing when working with a shitload of unknown genetics.
No amount of isolating genetics will make you result better because, whether 5 or 50 transfers in, you have no way of knowing what you're working with until you see it fruit.
Hope this helps.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: verum subsequentis]
#26335833 - 11/21/19 12:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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10 dry ounces average is what u should be pulling in 2 flushes with 5 qts of spawn
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: Kazoo_bard]
#26335835 - 11/21/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edit: (verum) he beat me too it 6+oz is definitely possible out a monotub first flush but highly unlikely if you don’t know what your doing. Iv never had a flush put out more than a qp first flush but I think that’s pretty decent first flush. If u want flushes like that (6oz+) you need to takes some clones and dial in your conditions but that still doesn’t guarantee those kinds of results. Are you experiencing with agar?
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: verum subsequentis]
#26335839 - 11/21/19 12:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just take from the low end of what you have been averaging per quart of spawn. Multiply that into a pound and you can figure out how much spawn you need to get a pound in 40 days.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: SFS96]
#26335873 - 11/21/19 12:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'd say since you are placing bets on a big harvest with short timeline then consider shoeboxes versus monotubs, because to lose a shoebox is meh since you have 5-10 going at a time, to lose a monotub when you only have one or two will seriously set you back with massive disappoint...
look at ShaperDreaming's SmallFormFactor teks, she really laid it out nicely both making them and running many for a constant 2month of harvest shoebox assembly and shoebox factory for ideas that may help you reach your new year goal!
and dang verum! always puttin up the evidential goodies... what is that ziploc doing in 4b??
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26335881 - 11/21/19 12:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I;m trying to stabilize this bitch so i took the nicest specimen from each culture and will be cloning and taking spores from it. That the fruit i chose from this culture but i accidentally yanked her out before documenting the grow. So i just stuck her back in place and snapped a shot. If you look at the last picture (group photo) you can see that each tub has a bagged specimen chillin.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: verum subsequentis]
#26335912 - 11/21/19 12:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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hah, put back for the money shot had noticed the bottom pic, thought for a sec you finished fruiting in ziploc the one determined best of the best of the best early on, maybe to keep it free from overhead drops or in prep for spore drop to capture but not get everyone all spored up. idk sure looked funny
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26335921 - 11/21/19 12:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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these suckers don't drop spores.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: verum subsequentis]
#26335933 - 11/21/19 01:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most I’ve pulled one flush was 16oz dry using dung/straw. 2nd best was 12z dry. Coir I find between 6-8oz off good genetics a good average. Even if it’s multispore. Recently I’ve been pulling 6-8z dry from multispore tubs.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: verum subsequentis]
#26335938 - 11/21/19 01:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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dang! is it all cloning to keep them going then? not to derail too far, you have a grow log for this project? now i'm all interested and stuff
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: eatyualive]
#26335943 - 11/21/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: Most I’ve pulled one flush was 16oz dry using dung/straw. 2nd best was 12z dry. Coir I find between 6-8oz off good genetics a good average. Even if it’s multispore. Recently I’ve been pulling 6-8z dry from multispore tubs.
thems some badass numbers, what spawn:sub ratio and size tub? (assuming these are the same between your results above)
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26335952 - 11/21/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah eat. what are the numbers man? I know this is possible but don't like to throw those kinds of numbers at noobs because there's almost no way they are going to see anything close.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26335959 - 11/21/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holy shit, I would love to know your tek, i plan on going with coir and Frank's wbs tek. I know I wont be seeing that kind of weight for a long time and a lot of practice. Still, knowing how you pulled that would be more info in my belt.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: Kazoo_bard]
#26335966 - 11/21/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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verum subsequentis said: Yeah eat. what are the numbers man? I know this is possible but don't like to throw those kinds of numbers at noobs because there's almost no way they are going to see anything close.
yup, because...
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Kazoo_bard said: Holy shit, I would love to know your tek, i plan on going with coir and Frank's wbs tek. I know I wont be seeing that kind of weight for a long time and a lot of practice. Still, knowing how you pulled that would be more info in my belt.
we noobs be like daaaaamn, oh please do share thy secrets Sensei!
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26335970 - 11/21/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm sure the hoards of noobs asking the same 10 questions does get old 😅
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: Kazoo_bard] 1
#26335979 - 11/21/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like to just go off the 100% biological efficiency scale of 1qt spawn = 1 dry oz. As you can see, it hardly means anything. But it's a good objective for a noob. It's definitely obtainable from a wide range of variables, and it gives you a moderate idea of how good your techniques were.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: Kazoo_bard]
#26335986 - 11/21/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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yup, at least when in military training environment you can get away with the fact there are stupid questions and you're gonna give me 50 pushups to prove it.
i dont miss those days, but been a long damn time since i was instructing snot nosed privates and shavetails and certainly feel like one now!
curious those numbers, havent really figured out BE yet but thinking that to be some 300%+ level stuff seeing what eatyualive uses (tubs and subs) in threads i've tagged in on this past couple months.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: TeaforTwo] 1
#26335991 - 11/21/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can't even guess at BE without knowing the size of tub and amounts of spawn/ sub. None of which were provided.
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Re: What is a truly average monotub flush weight once dried [Re: verum subsequentis]
#26335997 - 11/21/19 01:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Footpath, with the 1qt to 1oz ratio, is that across all flushes or each flush? Also, I do understand that's not a hard and fast rule of any sort
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