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OfflineJcrotty714
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Is it time to induce fruiting conditions for my monotub?
    #26335973 - 11/21/19 01:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This is my first grow.

This is B+ and it has been exactly 7 days since I grated my BRF cakes into my substrate.



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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Jcrotty714]
    #26335980 - 11/21/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Well I’m sure you don’t mean “food in” and mean fruiting...

Yes, just go for it. Don’t let it dry out, mist when needed only


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Shroomerquest]
    #26336024 - 11/21/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Lol thank you for your suggestion! I’m going for it! 🥳

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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Jcrotty714]
    #26336035 - 11/21/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Shroomerquest]
    #26336138 - 11/21/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome, I appreciate that knowledge! Can’t wit for these bad boys!


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Jcrotty714]
    #26336142 - 11/21/19 02:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i would wait it out till its 100 %:shrug:


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26336183 - 11/21/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Really? Damn I already took all the tape off :/ it wouldn’t harm it would it? At the worst, it wouldn’t be as big of a yield?

Also after the three flushes, how much do you think I could get out of this size mono tub? It’s like a 9 x 15 x 12
How many ounces would the average yield be in optimal conditions for a 9 x 15 x 12 inch monotub?
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Jcrotty714]
    #26336243 - 11/21/19 03:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's a matter of preference, not right and wrong.

I personally wait a bit longer, but many fruit from spawn and are perfectly happy doing so(cuts about a week of time until harvest).


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Jcrotty714]
    #26336273 - 11/21/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

1oz dry to 1quart spawn roughly

Size isn’t the relevant point, other factors attribute to the final outcome


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Shroomerquest]
    #26336630 - 11/21/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.




Thats with unmodified tubs, 6 hole monotubs dont go into fruiting conditions at spawn.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26336666 - 11/21/19 06:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroomerquest said:
Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.




Thats with unmodified tubs, 6 hole monotubs dont go into fruiting conditions at spawn.




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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26336676 - 11/21/19 06:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BigSurMoon said:
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Shroomerquest said:
Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.




Thats with unmodified tubs, 6 hole monotubs dont go into fruiting conditions at spawn.




How would that matter?




Because colonizing tubs need different conditions than tubs that are beginning to fruit, or are fully colonized. Colonizing needs more co2, fruits need lots of fresh air and humidity. Theres more, look it up.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon] * 1
    #26336687 - 11/21/19 06:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’m almost positive many are putting monos into fruiting conditions at spawn these days


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26336695 - 11/21/19 06:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I’m almost positive many are putting monos into fruiting conditions at spawn these days




Unmodified tubs are different, they work on different principles. Ive yet to see people doing it with monos, I would like to see that, if there are.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26336729 - 11/21/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Filthyknees fruits at spawn and he does massive grow. Look at his 2019 grow log. I believe Pastywhyte does also.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26336764 - 11/21/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I put them into fruiting when I spawn them.



This is a quote from pasty’s micropore dialed monos


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26336766 - 11/21/19 07:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Filthyknees fruits at spawn and he does massive grow. Look at his 2019 grow log. I believe Pastywhyte does also.




You cant just say they do with no proof man. Filthy's grow log op doesnt say anything like that. I'm not digging to find where he might have said it. Think about what your saying, so your going to have 4 big ass holes at sub level letting air in/out before theres any real heat/humidity coming from the sub, wich that process naturally create great surface conditions? Monos dont get fruited at spawn


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26336776 - 11/21/19 07:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I put them into fruiting when I spawn them.



This is a quote from pasty’s micropore dialed monos[/quote

That quote isnt in the op... Where did you find that?

Lol. Took me a minute, but I did find him saying he doesn't believe it to help anything anymore. Cool, I cant do it cause they will dry out.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26336783 - 11/21/19 07:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26336788 - 11/21/19 07:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Iv seen others say as long as you put a pseudo casing on there fine to fruit at spawn.

Edit: I’m not really one to talk out my ass. Here’s the quote from filthys 2019 grow. Page 9
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filthyknees said:
Micropore tape > poly fill. Never going back. Poly fill in fruits is just unprofessional. Pulling poly out of one fruit takes up as much time as harvesting ten fruits and you never get it all. Still doing case and fruiting at spawning. A handful or so of tubs getting painters tape left on through to full colonization but I think the casing makes it unnessecary to use painters tape.




Looks like he put tape on a few tubs but said he thinks it’s unnecessary.

Edit: here’s another quote
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Boogieman47 said:
I fruit at spawn with tubs everytime and will have ouns within 8 to 15 days depending on cultures .. the sub wont dry out if you have it dialed in correctly and your sub was hydrated to field capacity ...


With the bags I been running I close with a zip tie and let colonize for 5 days then takes about another 2 weeks for harvest so I am losing tome allowing it to colonize.. but nothing I can do for the bags


I prefer fruiting at spawn hands down






And these are some of the bags




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verum subsequentis said:
I put them directly into fruiting nowadays. The only thing I do different is stuff the top holes tight and then loosen them up once colonized. I don't think it's necessary but makes me feel better. I've seen grain stall out of it dries and I don't like having to use a top layer so... I compromise. It works wonderfully. I've tested side by side same culture tubs, many times and have only noticed that tapping the holes isn't needed and is an extra step.




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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26336902 - 11/21/19 08:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I do pastywhyte style monos, with a pseudo casing, fruiting conditions from spawn.  There's not many holes in the tub and it doesn't dry out on me.

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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26336908 - 11/21/19 08:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BigSurMoon said:
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Shroomerquest said:
Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.




Thats with unmodified tubs, 6 hole monotubs dont go into fruiting conditions at spawn.




How would that matter?




Because colonizing tubs need different conditions than tubs that are beginning to fruit, or are fully colonized. Colonizing needs more co2, fruits need lots of fresh air and humidity. Theres more, look it up.



Absolutely wrong. Here’s my proof:

OP, any tub can be put into fruiting conditions at spawning. Holes or no holes. Fruited better than my unmodded tubs that are also put into fruiting at spawn.

Whatever info you’re spouting, bigsur, is outdated and debunked.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26336932 - 11/21/19 08:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: Yup I edited my post with more proof


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26337001 - 11/21/19 09:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

there is no reason to fruit at spawning and case :shrug:


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26337002 - 11/21/19 09:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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there is no reason to fruit at spawning and case :shrug:



Right, except we’re not talking about true casings...

We’re talking about pseudo-casings, such as a coir top layer...


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26337005 - 11/21/19 09:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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there is no reason to fruit at spawning and case :shrug:



Right, except we’re not talking about true casings...

We’re talking about pseudo-casings, such as a coir top layer...



thats like covering up w a we blanket thats not good fruits dont need nothing to fruit well


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26337084 - 11/21/19 09:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Whatever info you’re spouting, bigsur, is outdated and debunked.



If you say so, a pic of 1 tub doesnt prove anything, what I said was correct, the co2 is debateable maybe, but just because a hand full of people do shit different doesnt mean what I said is dated, or debunked. We can argue threw a pm if you want. You know where to find me,


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26337433 - 11/22/19 05:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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SpunkyMonkey88 said:
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BigSurMoon said:
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Shroomerquest said:
Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.




Thats with unmodified tubs, 6 hole monotubs dont go into fruiting conditions at spawn.




How would that matter?




Because colonizing tubs need different conditions than tubs that are beginning to fruit, or are fully colonized. Colonizing needs more co2, fruits need lots of fresh air and humidity. Theres more, look it up.




Since you've given others shit for not citing sources, would you care to link us to something credible citing CO2 requirements for an aerobic organism?
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I’m almost positive many are putting monos into fruiting conditions at spawn these days




Unmodified tubs are different, they work on different principles. Ive yet to see people doing it with monos, I would like to see that, if there are.




Last I checked, the principle of any fruiting chamber is to provide passive fae while regulating moisture loss.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
    #26337449 - 11/22/19 05:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:

I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26337522 - 11/22/19 06:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:

I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...




When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.

Psilo; theres evidence all over the site of what I'm talking about. Near all the monotub tek discuss what I'm saying. Sorry, I even posted


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26337536 - 11/22/19 07:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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SpunkyMonkey88 said:
It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:

I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...




When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.




There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.

Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).

The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.

There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.

It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
    #26337542 - 11/22/19 07:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BigSurMoon said:
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SpunkyMonkey88 said:
It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:

I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...




When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.




There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.

Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).

The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.

There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.

It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.




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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon] * 1
    #26337599 - 11/22/19 08:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:

I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...




When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.




There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.

Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).

The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.

There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.

It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.




You know, I posted to help the op, not argue, you guys just dont get it, read and talk all you want, I will be in the coop growing shrooms.




You dont gotta get bent out of shape man. I think you could probably do it either way... fuck atleast I hope so because I just started my first tub and I introduced FAE right away...

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    #26337600 - 11/22/19 08:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:

I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...




When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.




There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.

Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).

The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.

There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.

It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.




You know, I posted to help the op, not argue, you guys just dont get it, read and talk all you want, I will be in the coop growing shrooms.




If you were/are interested in helping others, you would reevaluate your stance based on what you're being told.

It's not an issue of us not getting it; you're pushing outdated misinformation and when confronted with that fact, you've chosen to double down.

So go don't read(because reading is a bad thing?) and have fun in your coop :spazzychicken:


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen] * 1
    #26337698 - 11/22/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/fpart/1/vc/1

The answer to this has a bit more gray area, but generally I see all the big growers "fruiting" from spawn.

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Pastywhyte said: Ideally this tub for me can be spawned and fruited with nothing over the holes whatsoever. However anyone rocking a mono setup knows you need to dial stuff in sometimes to account for position within the rooms currents, or if you got the heat or AC coming on a lot.




Let's break this down. Ideally, fruiting from spawn works. But if it doesn't work for you, you may have some factors working against you.

If you fruit from spawn and it dries out:

Did you bring the substrate to field capacity?
Do you have a fan or other source of air current in the room?
What is the temperature in the room?
Is humidity low in the room?

There are a number of factors that will be different for different people. If one guy lives in the tropics where it's super humid all the time and his house is constantly at 90 percent humidity (I don't recommend this because mold) he may be here telling everyone to grow without a cover on the bin ever, you don't need it!

The next guy comes along who forgot that he turned his central air from from "auto" to "on" and his substrate keeps drying out is going to tell everyone that the cover needs to stay on during colonization.

So start with a pastytub or whatever tub, observe what happens to the substrate in YOUR environment, change factors to provide a good environment for your personal grow situation.

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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: McDominator]
    #26337716 - 11/22/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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McDominator said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/fpart/1/vc/1

The answer to this has a bit more gray area, but generally I see all the big growers "fruiting" from spawn.

Quote:

Pastywhyte said: Ideally this tub for me can be spawned and fruited with nothing over the holes whatsoever. However anyone rocking a mono setup knows you need to dial stuff in sometimes to account for position within the rooms currents, or if you got the heat or AC coming on a lot.




Let's break this down. Ideally, fruiting from spawn works. But if it doesn't work for you, you may have some factors working against you.

If you fruit from spawn and it dries out:

Did you bring the substrate to field capacity?
Do you have a fan or other source of air current in the room?
What is the temperature in the room?
Is humidity low in the room?

There are a number of factors that will be different for different people. If one guy lives in the tropics where it's super humid all the time and his house is constantly at 90 percent humidity (I don't recommend this because mold) he may be here telling everyone to grow without a cover on the bin ever, you don't need it!

The next guy comes along who forgot that he turned his central air from from "auto" to "on" and his substrate keeps drying out is going to tell everyone that the cover needs to stay on during colonization.

So start with a pastytub or whatever tub, observe what happens to the substrate in YOUR environment, change factors to provide a good environment for your personal grow situation.

You might both be correct because that is what is correct for YOU.




100% which is why I initially commented, it's a matter of preference.

I don't like fruiting from spawn. My ac runs all day and tends to dry out my sub; that doesn't make it an invalid practice.

He is however wrong for advising people that it's only suitable for unmodified tubs and that all other applications are wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with him for saying there are other options that are just as valid. Im disagreeing with him because he's telling people a fairly widely accepted practice is not okay.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
    #26337717 - 11/22/19 09:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Seems like yall just saying the same shit but in different terms.

I consistently see cultivators being advised to “increase fae” when pins start coming in. Which I guess could be called “fruiting conditions”.

I think we can all agree mushrooms need to breathe at all stages tho right?

Then “dialing in” should be environment-specific to adjust for humidity, moisture loss and ge and fae.

So yall calm yo asses down, we’re  here doing the same shit with similar goals!

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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
    #26337739 - 11/22/19 09:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...




When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.




There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.

Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).

The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.

There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.

It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.




You know, I posted to help the op, not argue, you guys just dont get it, read and talk all you want, I will be in the coop growing shrooms.




If you were/are interested in helping others, you would reevaluate your stance based on what you're being told.

It's not an issue of us not getting it; you're pushing outdated misinformation and when confronted with that fact, you've chosen to double down.

So go don't read(because reading is a bad thing?) and have fun in your coop :spazzychicken:[/quote

Well, Ive read all the teks on monos, they are all quite similar in how monotubs work and why you use them. There is a difference, and each way has different effects, Pretty sure its a newer concept "fruiting at spawn in a mono". Didnt see it in any of the teks, even pasty didnt say anything in his teks op. Its the last page he says he fruits from spawn.reading is not bad, but can only get you so far. Growing dozens of tubs, monotubs or unmodified, IMO, is the best way to understand the difference between the two. You can sit here tell me I'm full of shit all you want, show me some tubs, or results that you have found through growing and not, what you have read, or heard. Bottom line, theres a difference in how or what you fruit with.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26337756 - 11/22/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Lol I didn’t think this post would still be going today. All I know is Boog and Verum basically said that taping up the tub in a unnecessary extra step. When 2 of the best cultivators (also my favorite) on the Shroomery say something I listen :thumbup:
Edit: I must say do whatever u want, I plan to try both out side by side with a clone. If you want to cover your holes then more power to you:mushroom2:


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26337758 - 11/22/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't need to show you results. This is common sense based upon an understanding of the fundamentals at play. In order to pin, the mycelium has the same basic requirements regardless of the chamber that it's in. Believe me when I say the myc doesn't give a shit about your hole layout or lack thereof as long as it's getting adequate fresh air and not losing it's moisture without it being replaced.

Yes, fruiting at spawn is a relatively new concept. At one point, exposing cube myc to light at all stages of growth was a new concept as well.

The reason the shroomery will always be better than a book is because it's dynamic; as the information available to us changes, so does the approach. Whether or not it's mentioned in the original write up of a tek is immaterial.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
    #26337768 - 11/22/19 09:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Heres a link discussing the same shit Fruiting At Spawn


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
    #26337785 - 11/22/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't need to show you results. This is common sense based upon an understanding of the fundamentals at play. In order to pin, the mycelium has the same basic requirements regardless of the chamber that it's in. Believe me when I say the myc doesn't give a shit about your hole layout or lack thereof as long as it's getting adequate fresh air and not losing it's moisture without it being replaced.

Yes, fruiting at spawn is a relatively new concept. At one point, exposing cube myc to light at all stages of growth was a new concept as well.

The reason the shroomery will always be better than a book is because it's dynamic; as the information available to us changes, so does the approach. Whether or not it's mentioned in the original write up of a tek is immaterial.[/quote

Lmao, myc dont care about the conditions its in. Guess I'm just full of shit.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon] * 1
    #26337801 - 11/22/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

seems every one is trying to reinvent the wheel and not understanding the basics of how and why shit is done:shrug:


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26337806 - 11/22/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Any TCs want to chime in? I bet it’s about 50:50 who fruit at spawn and those who wait


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    #26337807 - 11/22/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i am a tc bro:shrug:


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    #26337808 - 11/22/19 09:49 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This thread started making my eyes bleed halfway through it so I skipped the second half. If your spawn is healthy and coir properly hydrated all you gotta do is put it in a tub and keep the lid on until you harvest.:smoker:


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    #26337809 - 11/22/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Why’s it not showing below your avatar?


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    #26337810 - 11/22/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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seems every one is trying to reinvent the wheel and not understanding the basics of how and why shit is done:shrug:




Oh I understand, and I have a gallery of tub pics to prove it. Saying I'm wrong, outdated, misinformed, pisses me off. I apologize,


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    #26337815 - 11/22/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Telling people subs need more CO2 makes people question you.:2cents:


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    #26337821 - 11/22/19 09:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't need to show you results. This is common sense based upon an understanding of the fundamentals at play. In order to pin, the mycelium has the same basic requirements regardless of the chamber that it's in. Believe me when I say the myc doesn't give a shit about your hole layout or lack thereof as long as it's getting adequate fresh air and not losing it's moisture without it being replaced.

Yes, fruiting at spawn is a relatively new concept. At one point, exposing cube myc to light at all stages of growth was a new concept as well.

The reason the shroomery will always be better than a book is because it's dynamic; as the information available to us changes, so does the approach. Whether or not it's mentioned in the original write up of a tek is immaterial.




Lmao, myc dont care about the conditions its in. Guess I'm just full of shit.




I didn't say they dont care about the conditions their in, I said they don't care about the hole layout as to how they get there.

Edit- I should elaborate as you'll no doubt take this out of context as well. Provided proper nutrition(from spawn), airflow(to allow for fluctuating humidity which encourages evaporation and provides fresh air which all aerobic organisms need), light(not entirely necessary, but beneficial), temps, and moisture are given, your mushies will grow. They don't care what brand of tub your using or where you've put holes AS LONG AS THEY STILL GET THE PROPER CONDITIONS.

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seems every one is trying to reinvent the wheel and not understanding the basics of how and why shit is done:shrug:




Oh I understand, and I have a gallery of tub pics to prove it. Saying I'm wrong, outdated, misinformed, pisses me off. I apologize,




You telling other people they're wrong for following a standard practice is wrong. You are telling them that because you are misinformed. You are misinformed because you are relying on outdated information.

No need for apologies though😘
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Telling people subs need more CO2 makes people question you.:2cents:




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    #26337824 - 11/22/19 09:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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This thread started making my eyes bleed halfway through it so I skipped the second half. If your spawn is healthy and coir properly hydrated all you gotta do is put it in a tub and keep the lid on until you harvest.:smoker:



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    #26337874 - 11/22/19 10:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't need to show you results. This is common sense based upon an understanding of the fundamentals at play. In order to pin, the mycelium has the same basic requirements regardless of the chamber that it's in. Believe me when I say the myc doesn't give a shit about your hole layout or lack thereof as long as it's getting adequate fresh air and not losing it's moisture without it being replaced.

Yes, fruiting at spawn is a relatively new concept. At one point, exposing cube myc to light at all stages of growth was a new concept as well.

The reason the shroomery will always be better than a book is because it's dynamic; as the information available to us changes, so does the approach. Whether or not it's mentioned in the original write up of a tek is immaterial.




Lmao, myc dont care about the conditions its in. Guess I'm just full of shit.




I didn't say they dont care about the conditions their in, I said they don't care about the hole layout as to how they get here.
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seems every one is trying to reinvent the wheel and not understanding the basics of how and why shit is done:shrug:




Oh I understand, and I have a gallery of tub pics to prove it. Saying I'm wrong, outdated, misinformed, pisses me off. I apologize,




You telling other people they're wrong for following a standard practice is wrong. You are telling them that because you are misinformed. You are misinformed because you are relying on outdated information.

No need for apologies though😘
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Telling people subs need more CO2 makes people question you.:2cents:




YESSSSSS




Hole layout is going to effect the conditions in the tub, of course the myc doesnt care how they got there, but it will care where you put them.
I never said anyone was wrong, and I'm sure as hell not apologizing to you. Half of what you've said dont make sense.You keep saying I dont know what I'm talking about. Didnt realize that I could throw shit in a box and it would just grow all on its own. Guess i have it all wrong, Quirk, I didnt mean elavate the co2, I meant that colonizing myc needs more than when its fully colonized, hence why you increase far to induce pinning.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon] * 1
    #26337888 - 11/22/19 10:26 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

im misinformed and outdated :laugh2:


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    #26337890 - 11/22/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't need to show you results. This is common sense based upon an understanding of the fundamentals at play. In order to pin, the mycelium has the same basic requirements regardless of the chamber that it's in. Believe me when I say the myc doesn't give a shit about your hole layout or lack thereof as long as it's getting adequate fresh air and not losing it's moisture without it being replaced.

Yes, fruiting at spawn is a relatively new concept. At one point, exposing cube myc to light at all stages of growth was a new concept as well.

The reason the shroomery will always be better than a book is because it's dynamic; as the information available to us changes, so does the approach. Whether or not it's mentioned in the original write up of a tek is immaterial.




Lmao, myc dont care about the conditions its in. Guess I'm just full of shit.




I didn't say they dont care about the conditions their in, I said they don't care about the hole layout as to how they get here.
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seems every one is trying to reinvent the wheel and not understanding the basics of how and why shit is done:shrug:




Oh I understand, and I have a gallery of tub pics to prove it. Saying I'm wrong, outdated, misinformed, pisses me off. I apologize,




You telling other people they're wrong for following a standard practice is wrong. You are telling them that because you are misinformed. You are misinformed because you are relying on outdated information.

No need for apologies though😘
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Telling people subs need more CO2 makes people question you.:2cents:




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Hole layout is going to effect the conditions in the tub, of course the myc doesnt care how they got there, but it will care where you put them.
I never said anyone was wrong, and I'm sure as hell not apologizing to you. Half of what you've said dont make sense.You keep saying I dont know what I'm talking about. Didnt realize that I could throw shit in a box and it would just grow all on its own. Guess i have it all wrong, Quirk, I didnt mean elavate the co2, I meant that colonizing myc needs more than when its fully colonized, hence why you increase far to induce pinning.




Bruhhhhh.... tubs are dialed in to allow for automation; it allows the tub to do all the heavy lifting without much need for upkeep from us. Obviously some setups are going to work better than others. Im not suggesting that hole placement plays no roll in a tub being dialed in; I'm saying that the myc has zero concept of what type of chamber it's in and that regardless of where holes are placed, or whether or not there even are holes, it can be compensated for.

You heavily implied if not outright stated that fruiting at spawn was not an appropriate approach  for anything but unmodified tubs; again, that is outright false.

What have I said that didn't make sense?


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen] * 1
    #26338304 - 11/22/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26339110 - 11/22/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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seems every one is trying to reinvent the wheel and not understanding the basics of how and why shit is done:shrug:




Oh I understand, and I have a gallery of tub pics to prove it. Saying I'm wrong, outdated, misinformed, pisses me off. I apologize,



You are wrong though. That doesn’t make me right, but your original statement of “6 hole monotubs need a colonization period” is fundamentally incorrect and is influenced by outdated practices.

You don’t have to differentiate between colonization and fruiting for ANY monotub. You just have to make sure it has air and water and the myc will do what it wants. Taping up holes (with pourous micropore tape) will not change anything besides maybe your need to mist..


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26339476 - 11/23/19 04:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Its not that outdated, not like some of the other misconceptions. Maybe its been common practice since you have been here, people still do it, If you say its outdated, misinformation, then it must be. Here some results, using my outdated, wrong way of growing. Lets see what you got.




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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26339544 - 11/23/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sgfc drys out quicker. Monos hold it in better, I’d rather open things up at least as possible and personally that can only be easily achieved with an unnmodded tub. At most , cracking the lid enough is what needs to be adjusted slightly with a wedge just to raise the lid high enough

It’s not that it’s wrong, if you can produce a flush, something is being done right.

I like a simple approach almost lazy in a way


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Shroomerquest]
    #26339649 - 11/23/19 08:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Sgfc drys out quicker. Monos hold it in better, I’d rather open things up at least as possible and personally that can only be easily achieved with an unnmodded tub. At most , cracking the lid enough is what needs to be adjusted slightly with a wedge just to raise the lid high enough

It’s not that it’s wrong, if you can produce a flush, something is being done right.

I like a simple approach almost lazy in a way




Its not a very labor intensive method of growing. Pull tape when fully colonized. Thats it.  To each is his own really.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26339662 - 11/23/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

True, if it works it works, simple.

Wether one way is better than another probably boils down to individuality of each persons environment or time available for maintenance


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Shroomerquest]
    #26339947 - 11/23/19 11:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I was told by Boogie that spawn strait to fruit does save time... Never have tried it before but if you check my thread I started here : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26295288/fpart/4#26295288

Im doing some comparisons of introducing FAE vs letting them colonize for about 10 days then introduce FAE.  Also have information on all the tubs regarding amount of coco in grams, amount of verm in quarts, amount of water used to create field capacity in quarts, if I used gypsum or not, amount of spawn used (in quarts), and whether the substrate and spawn were mixed vs layered.

All tubs are introduced to 12/12 light cycle though from the time the tub has been started whether fruiting and spawn, or just spawn.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: mushman1017]
    #26340143 - 11/23/19 12:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So you could say that it would only save time if you put into fruiting conditions later than necessary OR it’s just unnecessary


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Jcrotty714]
    #26346248 - 11/26/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You don’t NEED a colonization period. That much is obvious. Anyone who doubts it should try it and STFU when it works🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: feldman114]
    #26348325 - 11/27/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You don’t NEED a colonization period. That much is obvious. Anyone who doubts it should try it and STFU when it works🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26348361 - 11/27/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You don’t NEED a colonization period. That much is obvious. Anyone who doubts it should try it and STFU when it works🤷🏻‍♂️


your sure gonna make friends here talking like that...




If I offended you, I’m sorry. That’s never my intention.

What I meant is, why are people who have grows going arguing about this? Anyone can just try it. Just put one of your tubs out to fruit right after spawning and you’ll see that it works.


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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: feldman114]
    #26348637 - 11/27/19 01:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You don’t NEED a colonization period. That much is obvious. Anyone who doubts it should try it and STFU when it works🤷🏻‍♂️


your sure gonna make friends here talking like that...




If I offended you, I’m sorry. That’s never my intention.

What I meant is, why are people who have grows going arguing about this? Anyone can just try it. Just put one of your tubs out to fruit right after spawning and you’ll see that it works.




Not offended,more amused than anything, most dont care for me anyhow,lol.


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