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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
#26336902 - 11/21/19 08:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do pastywhyte style monos, with a pseudo casing, fruiting conditions from spawn. There's not many holes in the tub and it doesn't dry out on me.
Works great.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26336908 - 11/21/19 08:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomerquest said: Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.
Thats with unmodified tubs, 6 hole monotubs dont go into fruiting conditions at spawn.
How would that matter?
Because colonizing tubs need different conditions than tubs that are beginning to fruit, or are fully colonized. Colonizing needs more co2, fruits need lots of fresh air and humidity. Theres more, look it up.
Absolutely wrong. Here’s my proof:
OP, any tub can be put into fruiting conditions at spawning. Holes or no holes. Fruited better than my unmodded tubs that are also put into fruiting at spawn.
Whatever info you’re spouting, bigsur, is outdated and debunked.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26336932 - 11/21/19 08:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yup I edited my post with more proof
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SFS96]
#26337001 - 11/21/19 09:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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there is no reason to fruit at spawning and case
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: tripdawg420]
#26337002 - 11/21/19 09:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: there is no reason to fruit at spawning and case 
Right, except we’re not talking about true casings...
We’re talking about pseudo-casings, such as a coir top layer...
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26337005 - 11/21/19 09:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: there is no reason to fruit at spawning and case 
Right, except we’re not talking about true casings...
We’re talking about pseudo-casings, such as a coir top layer...
thats like covering up w a we blanket thats not good fruits dont need nothing to fruit well
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: tripdawg420]
#26337084 - 11/21/19 09:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whatever info you’re spouting, bigsur, is outdated and debunked.
If you say so, a pic of 1 tub doesnt prove anything, what I said was correct, the co2 is debateable maybe, but just because a hand full of people do shit different doesnt mean what I said is dated, or debunked. We can argue threw a pm if you want. You know where to find me,
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337433 - 11/22/19 05:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomerquest said: Some here go straight to fruiting conditions from spawn so you’ll be grand. Just keep conditions as optimal as possible, letting the sub slightly evaporate the water beads before misting.
Thats with unmodified tubs, 6 hole monotubs dont go into fruiting conditions at spawn.
How would that matter?
Because colonizing tubs need different conditions than tubs that are beginning to fruit, or are fully colonized. Colonizing needs more co2, fruits need lots of fresh air and humidity. Theres more, look it up.
Since you've given others shit for not citing sources, would you care to link us to something credible citing CO2 requirements for an aerobic organism?
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Unmodified tubs are different, they work on different principles. Ive yet to see people doing it with monos, I would like to see that, if there are.
Last I checked, the principle of any fruiting chamber is to provide passive fae while regulating moisture loss.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26337449 - 11/22/19 05:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:
I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26337522 - 11/22/19 06:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:
I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...
When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.
Psilo; theres evidence all over the site of what I'm talking about. Near all the monotub tek discuss what I'm saying. Sorry, I even posted
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337536 - 11/22/19 07:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:
I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...
When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.
There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.
Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).
The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.
There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.
It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26337542 - 11/22/19 07:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:
I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...
When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.
There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.
Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).
The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.
There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.
It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.
You know, I posted to help the op, not argue, you guys just dont get it, read and talk all you want, I will be in the coop growing shrooms.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon] 1
#26337599 - 11/22/19 08:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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BigSurMoon said:
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BigSurMoon said:
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:
I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...
When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.
There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.
Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).
The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.
There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.
It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.
You know, I posted to help the op, not argue, you guys just dont get it, read and talk all you want, I will be in the coop growing shrooms.
You dont gotta get bent out of shape man. I think you could probably do it either way... fuck atleast I hope so because I just started my first tub and I introduced FAE right away...
I'm only here to make sure I'm not making a catastrophic mistake...
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon] 1
#26337600 - 11/22/19 08:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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BigSurMoon said:
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: It would be nice if a TC would chime in but:
I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...
When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.
There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.
Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).
The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.
There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.
It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.
You know, I posted to help the op, not argue, you guys just dont get it, read and talk all you want, I will be in the coop growing shrooms.
If you were/are interested in helping others, you would reevaluate your stance based on what you're being told.
It's not an issue of us not getting it; you're pushing outdated misinformation and when confronted with that fact, you've chosen to double down.
So go don't read(because reading is a bad thing?) and have fun in your coop
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen] 1
#26337698 - 11/22/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/fpart/1/vc/1
The answer to this has a bit more gray area, but generally I see all the big growers "fruiting" from spawn.
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Pastywhyte said: Ideally this tub for me can be spawned and fruited with nothing over the holes whatsoever. However anyone rocking a mono setup knows you need to dial stuff in sometimes to account for position within the rooms currents, or if you got the heat or AC coming on a lot.
Let's break this down. Ideally, fruiting from spawn works. But if it doesn't work for you, you may have some factors working against you.
If you fruit from spawn and it dries out:
Did you bring the substrate to field capacity? Do you have a fan or other source of air current in the room? What is the temperature in the room? Is humidity low in the room?
There are a number of factors that will be different for different people. If one guy lives in the tropics where it's super humid all the time and his house is constantly at 90 percent humidity (I don't recommend this because mold) he may be here telling everyone to grow without a cover on the bin ever, you don't need it!
The next guy comes along who forgot that he turned his central air from from "auto" to "on" and his substrate keeps drying out is going to tell everyone that the cover needs to stay on during colonization.
So start with a pastytub or whatever tub, observe what happens to the substrate in YOUR environment, change factors to provide a good environment for your personal grow situation.
You might both be correct because that is what is correct for YOU.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: McDominator]
#26337716 - 11/22/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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McDominator said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/fpart/1/vc/1
The answer to this has a bit more gray area, but generally I see all the big growers "fruiting" from spawn.
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Pastywhyte said: Ideally this tub for me can be spawned and fruited with nothing over the holes whatsoever. However anyone rocking a mono setup knows you need to dial stuff in sometimes to account for position within the rooms currents, or if you got the heat or AC coming on a lot.
Let's break this down. Ideally, fruiting from spawn works. But if it doesn't work for you, you may have some factors working against you.
If you fruit from spawn and it dries out:
Did you bring the substrate to field capacity? Do you have a fan or other source of air current in the room? What is the temperature in the room? Is humidity low in the room?
There are a number of factors that will be different for different people. If one guy lives in the tropics where it's super humid all the time and his house is constantly at 90 percent humidity (I don't recommend this because mold) he may be here telling everyone to grow without a cover on the bin ever, you don't need it!
The next guy comes along who forgot that he turned his central air from from "auto" to "on" and his substrate keeps drying out is going to tell everyone that the cover needs to stay on during colonization.
So start with a pastytub or whatever tub, observe what happens to the substrate in YOUR environment, change factors to provide a good environment for your personal grow situation.
You might both be correct because that is what is correct for YOU.
100% which is why I initially commented, it's a matter of preference.
I don't like fruiting from spawn. My ac runs all day and tends to dry out my sub; that doesn't make it an invalid practice.
He is however wrong for advising people that it's only suitable for unmodified tubs and that all other applications are wrong.
I'm not disagreeing with him for saying there are other options that are just as valid. Im disagreeing with him because he's telling people a fairly widely accepted practice is not okay.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26337717 - 11/22/19 09:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems like yall just saying the same shit but in different terms.
I consistently see cultivators being advised to “increase fae” when pins start coming in. Which I guess could be called “fruiting conditions”.
I think we can all agree mushrooms need to breathe at all stages tho right?
Then “dialing in” should be environment-specific to adjust for humidity, moisture loss and ge and fae.
So yall calm yo asses down, we’re here doing the same shit with similar goals!
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26337739 - 11/22/19 09:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont understand why you would want to provide fae throughout the whole growth cycle then Choke it out after you spawn to bulk...
When the holes are taped during colonizing, its the same as an unmodified tub, no choking. If fruiting at spawn is such a common thing, then why is there tek after tek on how to dial in a monos, principals of monos, and how and why they work.
There's no harm in keeping a tub sealed up until it's fully colonized. I still do as I've had issues with tubs drying out when I've went straight to fruiting. Also, you're confusing ge with fae; while similar, they are not synonymous.
Regardless of when a modified tub is put into fruiting it would need to be dialed in(kind of. You could run it wide open if you don't mind misting frequently to compensate for moisture loss).
The principals of how and why a mono function have little to do with when you shift to fruiting.
There are plenty of oldschool guidelines that have long been discarded as obsolete; this is one of them.
It is well known that putting a mono(or any bulk method that doesn't rely on a sterile nutritious sub) directly into fruiting will save you some time to harvest. There's really nothing to debate here.
You know, I posted to help the op, not argue, you guys just dont get it, read and talk all you want, I will be in the coop growing shrooms.
If you were/are interested in helping others, you would reevaluate your stance based on what you're being told.
It's not an issue of us not getting it; you're pushing outdated misinformation and when confronted with that fact, you've chosen to double down.
So go don't read(because reading is a bad thing?) and have fun in your coop [/quote
Well, Ive read all the teks on monos, they are all quite similar in how monotubs work and why you use them. There is a difference, and each way has different effects, Pretty sure its a newer concept "fruiting at spawn in a mono". Didnt see it in any of the teks, even pasty didnt say anything in his teks op. Its the last page he says he fruits from spawn.reading is not bad, but can only get you so far. Growing dozens of tubs, monotubs or unmodified, IMO, is the best way to understand the difference between the two. You can sit here tell me I'm full of shit all you want, show me some tubs, or results that you have found through growing and not, what you have read, or heard. Bottom line, theres a difference in how or what you fruit with.
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: san pedro guy]
#26337756 - 11/22/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol I didn’t think this post would still be going today. All I know is Boog and Verum basically said that taping up the tub in a unnecessary extra step. When 2 of the best cultivators (also my favorite) on the Shroomery say something I listen Edit: I must say do whatever u want, I plan to try both out side by side with a clone. If you want to cover your holes then more power to you
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Re: Is it time to induce food in conditions for my monotub? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337758 - 11/22/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't need to show you results. This is common sense based upon an understanding of the fundamentals at play. In order to pin, the mycelium has the same basic requirements regardless of the chamber that it's in. Believe me when I say the myc doesn't give a shit about your hole layout or lack thereof as long as it's getting adequate fresh air and not losing it's moisture without it being replaced.
Yes, fruiting at spawn is a relatively new concept. At one point, exposing cube myc to light at all stages of growth was a new concept as well.
The reason the shroomery will always be better than a book is because it's dynamic; as the information available to us changes, so does the approach. Whether or not it's mentioned in the original write up of a tek is immaterial.
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