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Shmoov move * 1
    #26333845 - 11/20/19 03:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The shmuv box. Commonly considered a HEPA shit, considered by a few individuals to be quite effective. I would not normally buy such expensive equipment, but I found an amazing deal on the Holmes "True HEPA" HAP726. This gizmo: https://www.holmesproducts.com/air-purifiers/holmes-allergen-remover-and-air-purifier-console-with-true-hepa-air-filter-white/HAP726-NU-1.html#sz=18&start=13 So I figured I'd take the opportunity to experiment with an upgraded shmuv. The two filters are rated 99.97% of particles arrested at .2 microns. Carbon prefilter and all that jazz.


The filter is on its side, it blows air upward when sitting straight up. I have it pointed at the back of the shmuv so it doesn't blow right out the armholes. I elevated it on PVC spacers as not to block the intake.

Tested yesterday by leaving agar dishes open for 10 seconds, 1 min, 3, 8, and 30 minutes. No signs of anything growing on em. so far. I iso the inside of the bag, the exhaust of the filter and everything going into it, leaving the fan on it's lowest setting. I also poked 2 holes in the "bottom"/non-filter side for possible eddies that previous shmuvers have told me not to worry about. Hard to test for turbulance but the bag keeps inflated with good pressure and there's no observable turbulance. I'll let you know how well it do!


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: Vinci]
    #26333891 - 11/20/19 03:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

long live the schmuvbox


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: SpikeSpiegel]
    #26334167 - 11/20/19 06:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

❤️ the Shmuv ❤️


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: eatyualive]
    #26334232 - 11/20/19 06:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Love em. Mine was a $40 Walmart special. Best money I've ever spent. Mine is HEPA and ionic, 2 microns.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: spiritlands]
    #26334286 - 11/20/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Holy...its been a minute since I saw one :crazy:


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: cronicr]
    #26334297 - 11/20/19 07:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That’s some antique technology. Sell it for 1 million dollars

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I use mine with a 5 foot table that folds when I’m not using it. Perfect for small spaces or limited work area. My bulky ass sab takes up so much space and it looks kinda strange with big holes in it.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: eatyualive]
    #26334384 - 11/20/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Billions and billions and billions...

Ya my sab became storage for mush cult stuff. I like being able to roll it up and tuck it away.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: spiritlands]
    #26335160 - 11/21/19 07:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I have a schmuv box tek bookmarked for a few months, but always believed they were crap since there are very few posts, and very few people claiming it wokrs.

But i find it to be a briliant and potentially effective system if the filter were to prove itself useful. I doubt it though


Are you people using these things???!
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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: Sankhara]
    #26335178 - 11/21/19 07:38 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, what’s the success rate like? And why aren’t more people using them?
Sounds like a compromise between SAB and FH.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26335223 - 11/21/19 08:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’d get 99-100% no different than a flow hood or a sab. There is a slight different technique to it. In the end I think whatever method you use has to do with technique. I’ve literally never had many contams using any of the listed methods. I’ve got a link in my reference guide on how to set one up. People were ridiculing it  on this forum 10 years after it had been proven by thousands of people. :facepalm:

It’s fantastic for big work areas. Use a giant 55 gallon lawn bag.

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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: eatyualive]
    #26335247 - 11/21/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe like 15-25 people have posted about it ever here. Seems like most people use them for needle inoculations anyway. Which you can do open air with pretty good success. Anyone got a g2g video or doing pour agar plates in one of those with reasonable success?


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26335256 - 11/21/19 08:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’d use em for g2g , agar, liquid inoculation. Just about most of my mush work except inoculating pf jars. I’ve done that open air since 1996. Hey bod how you doing this fine day?


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: eatyualive]
    #26335267 - 11/21/19 08:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Nice ghetto rig man.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: eatyualive]
    #26335309 - 11/21/19 08:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I’d use em for g2g , agar, liquid inoculation. Just about most of my mush work except inoculating pf jars. I’ve done that open air since 1996. Hey bod how you doing this fine day?



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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26335338 - 11/21/19 08:49 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So... The question before constructing one of these would be which filter to buy and how to know wether or not it will be suitable.

Would any vacuum cleaner HEPA be suitable then? they should work if they are rated at 99.97, right?


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: Sankhara] * 1
    #26335893 - 11/21/19 12:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Mine comes with everything but the trashbag and it already has a good HEPA filter. Just buy the room purifier it's $50 at Walmart.

As far as how well does it work? It works too well. I can be in and out of the same pitri for weeks taking transfers and not have it contam. This agar showed a nice sector and I kept growing it out and harvesting more transfers every few days.

Same agar


Any of the stuff in my journal and sig will show you what can be done with success. I use it for everything. I think they aren't popular bc ppl who want to build a fh want a nice big one and ppl who don't want to spend money go cheap sab style.

I still get contams but they don't come from the unit failing, they come bc they were on something I put in there like a dirty print. This is Cuban from 2012 spores. Print was dirty and now I'm cleaning it up. I can work on things like this without it contaminating other things as long as I replace the bag and keep it Lysol/IPA wipe down between sessions. I also spray the inside of the bag before I roll it up for storage.

I'd like to mention that I bought mine around 2010 and I've never replaced the filter and it is still performing well. I do try to keep it clean though.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: spiritlands]
    #26335904 - 11/21/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Omfg.
You’re telling me I can have the FH peace of mind without the $500 price tag???
Fucking. Game. Changer.

Ordering one today. Can’t wait to be taking my sweet time with agar work. Speeding through transfers in the SAB is the most stressful part of my week.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: feldman114]
    #26335924 - 11/21/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Omfg.
You’re telling me I can have the FH peace of mind without the $500 price tag???
Fucking. Game. Changer.

Ordering one today. Can’t wait to be taking my sweet time with agar work. Speeding through transfers in the SAB is the most stressful part of my week.



I would look for one equivalent to this. This is basically what mine is but I have ionic filtering as well as hepa.
Look at the product details


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: spiritlands]
    #26335990 - 11/21/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

FFholmes is the 40% off everything friends and family discount code for all holmes products. They have nice purifiers. Bod, what's your experience with them? I know you're generally on the skeptical side of the schmuv, yeah?


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: Vinci]
    #26336008 - 11/21/19 01:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Got a link? I'm thinking of retiring this one to my greenhouse and picking up a new one. And idk where the name shmuv box came from but I think spirit box sounds better..
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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: Vinci]
    #26336037 - 11/21/19 02:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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FFholmes is the 40% off everything friends and family discount code for all holmes products. They have nice purifiers. Bod, what's your experience with them? I know you're generally on the skeptical side of the schmuv, yeah?



They say don't knock it till you try it but I wouldn't ever bother assembling one of these bootleg contraptions.

I throw my physics arguments at it and people reply well it works

The entire purpose of a flow hood is not only the cleaned filtered air but the fact that its laminar.

Non laminar clean air is theoretically useless. You cannot sterilize the inside of the shumv bag you can't sterilize your gloves etc... So all that clean air ends up turbulent and blowing contamination around. With a hood who cares that you cannot sterilize your gloves or the outside surface a petri dish. You work with predictable flow


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26336095 - 11/21/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think you're right about the concept of laminar flow. I think your correct we can't sterilize our gloves or outside pitris. I've never used a real flow hood but I can imagine it. Doesn't mean that's how it actually is in real life. You can imagine what it's like but you won't build one so although your science and logic is sound you don't know what it's like. It's not like a wind tunnel in there like you think. Once the bag inflates it can only vent out the holes so much at a time. So although the fan is blowing, it's pushing against the air still trapped inside which can only flow out the holes. It passes through as one mass, it's not swirling around, I almost don't feel it. I don't think I would call it laminar but I suspect it's more laminar than you think. I also have to say 'I don't know but it works for me.'

Also since nothing touches the bag it doesn't matter if it's sterile, just like a sab floor don't touch it. When I use mine I often have several things going so I turn it on and start loading it up. It prob runs for fifteen min before any real work begins. If there are contams in there blowing around then it's logical that they would eventually be ejected out the arm holes or top bc that's where the current is flowing. Idk. Never been an issue. Someday if like to have a nice setup like yours but until then I don't see me needing anything else.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: spiritlands]
    #26336155 - 11/21/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Anything you can do in front of a flowhood you can do in a schmuv.

Another gem from the nook back in the day, I remember when it was posted. I think the OP's name was molester IIRC.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: SpikeSpiegel]
    #26336171 - 11/21/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yup molester. Who were you over at the nook. Damn it’s been a minute.
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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: eatyualive]
    #26336619 - 11/21/19 06:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I cant knock it, cause ive not tryed, but seriously, 24 hours isnt long enough time to determine a test plate is clean. At least a week,IMO, yeah some will show in a day or two, But to be a 100% sure, I say 10-14 days.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26336714 - 11/21/19 06:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No sign of contams still


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: Vinci] * 1
    #26392561 - 12/20/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's been a month, I've been doing agar, grain, LC, LI in the shmuv. I'm using my SAB as storage and I only need it for contammed work. Haven't used it since setting up the shmuv as I have 100% success rate with the shmuv. I use mine on speed 2 of 4 because it helps maintain structure. I spray the bag down with lysol, iso or whatever and roll it up when I'm done. I like it better than the SAB because it's harder to fuck up, it's also great for pouring agar because you can leave the lid off for 30 seconds in the moving air to avoid any condensation. Saves space too.


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: Vinci]
    #26392581 - 12/20/19 02:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I use it on the lowest setting as well. Works fantastic!


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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: eatyualive]
    #26392749 - 12/20/19 04:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ha ha, my sab became storage too. Welcome to team trashbag!
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Re: Schmuuv move [Re: spiritlands] * 1
    #26392831 - 12/20/19 05:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I hate my sab but I still use it when I’m doing something quick on small scale. When I wanna inoculate 50-100 quarts in one sitting the shmuv>all. And I used to have a hood.


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    #26392878 - 12/20/19 06:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I hate my sab but I still use it when I’m doing something quick on small scale. When I wanna inoculate 50-100 quarts in one sitting the shmuv>all. And I used to have a hood.




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