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ChemicalSpark

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San Pedro (PC) 1
#26333659 - 11/20/19 02:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, so I got these in the mail recently from a vendor in SoCal and they’re looking pretty rough. I’m wondering, is that tan stuff some type of mold? If so, are any of these cuttings worth trying to plant? If not, are they safe to consume? All cuttings are a foot long and the total weight is about 9lbs.
(I put them ugly side up)
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Morel Guy
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Those are in very bad shape.
Probably only worth rooting and caring for for awhile.
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karode13
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They're quite beat up. Bruised and battered.
The Tan is old, dead skin. Basically a scab. Looks to be some Green underneath. I can see cracks in the scab with Green underneath.
Some look recently cut and fan dried. Lots of lesions and compaction damage. Some of it may rot.
Best course of action is to fan dry them for 12 hours and then place in a well ventilated, dry area to allow the injuries to heal.
If the state of some decline, ie: Start rotting, you might need to cut the rot away.
Once healed you will be able to grow them. They're quite resilient and can be grown from very damaged or small pieces.
All there looks safe for consumption as well.
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ChemicalSpark

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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: karode13] 1
#26333838 - 11/20/19 03:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you! I’ll get them in front of a fan then.
When you say start to rot, do you mean areas like the dark spots that I’ve circled in this picture? Or just if they become mushy? Because some of them already seem to feel a little soft.
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Could be soft from dehydration. Light tan is not as bad as dark mushy brown.
Make sure they scab real good
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karode13
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The Black spots are considered a rot but not the type that quickly turns cactus flesh to mush. It's a more local rot, that weeps this ooze. It tends to dry and heal up if kept dry and given adequate air, to dry out.
The rot I'm more concerned about is Orange or Yellow in colour. It quickly eats through the cactus bursts its cell walls. If you see any discolouration then give it a squeeze, if it's mushy then you need to cut it out, back to healthy fleash, with a sterile knife. Make sure the last cut you do with any blade is sterile. This prevents infecting healthy material.
I'm not sure if that package has been frozen either. If it has then it's toast. The cell walls of the cactus will have burst and once thawed the flesh will be mushy. If this is the case you should process them and keep frozen until needed.
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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: karode13]
#26333973 - 11/20/19 04:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright. There’s no orange or yellow rot that I can tell, but I’m from a northern state where it’s been pretty cold and snowy for a few weeks now, so it’s possible that it could have frozen in transit. Or came close to freezing anyway.
I’m starting to think I’ll process all but the healthiest looking top cuttings into resin for microdosing. Should hopefully get a decent bit from them.
Thanks again for all of the info!
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Those look like fucking shit, I would ask the vendor for a refund or credit of some sort if they're a fairly reputable vendor but just trying to offload some shitty stock.
Nobody should sell cactus like that and think it's OK.
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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: Lucis]
#26350413 - 11/28/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Lucis said: Those look like fucking shit, I would ask the vendor for a refund or credit of some sort if they're a fairly reputable vendor but just trying to offload some shitty stock.
Nobody should sell cactus like that and think it's OK.

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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: Grey Fox]
#26350539 - 11/28/19 12:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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They should be returned at the sellers expense or the seller should issue some flavor of refund. If you PAID for that without their condition being front and center in the description, then the vendor did you wrong. The only time this is acceptable is when its steeply discounted and its clearly in the 'ugly plant / vegetable' bin or noted in the item description.
It looks like old stock from the bottom of a bin. less likely alternatives are: someone took over the plants from someone else for any number of reasons and cut them down to nothing, milking every penny since they don't care about reputation; or, someone cut them down to the dirt for easier moving or repotting. In any way, its bad product.
The cuttings will grow and might be decent mother logs, but if you grow them, have it be separate from the rest of your collection since having such weakened and damaged cuttings is an invitation to problems. I learned the hard way about cactus rescues and now keep weak or infested plants 400' away in a separate greenhouse until free of pests, strong, or disposed of.
If you are on North America, its winter time and Trichocereus growth is super slow. They cuttings have plenty of time to rot, get bugs chewing on them, etc.
Vendors need to follow this one rule for quality and happy customers: If you wouldn't grow it for your own purposes, then its unworthy to sell to anyone else.
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I agree with you guys. The condition is much worse than I anticipated, and if I hadn’t purchased them for processing, I would’ve been pretty upset.
Here’s 4 of the cuttings worth of resin in a glass cake pan. I froze and thawed them 2x then blended and boiled for a little over 10 hours. Haven’t gotten the chance to scrape the pan and weigh it up yet, but it looks pretty good to me. I plan on trying a microdose of it tomorrow.
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Sorry to interrupt but I didn't know where else to ask. Anyway, how do I get my san pedro cacti to flower?
OP: I've had a few cuttings look way worse than that and they produced nice pups. Not even my high quality ones will flower though.
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You need to grow them to maturity and they will flower on their own. If the environment is conducive to it.
You cannot force them to flower.
Generally they flower(for me) at around the 3ft mark. Not always but it tends to work out that way when they do begin flowering.
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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: karode13]
#26356036 - 12/01/19 06:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh alright. I had a 12" cutting that I rooted like 3 years ago. Since then I've made like 8 cuttings from it. I gave most of them to my friends. Will the mother log ever flower since I will only grow pups now and wont get bigger itself? the pups start to look like they are gonna fall off if I don't cut them off.
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karode13
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The log wont flower. One of the pups needs to mature for it to do so. Root a cutting and allow it to grow to flower, keep the log.
Pups shouldn't fall off. Never had that happen. The cactus will produce wood inside the stem to support itself.
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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: karode13]
#26356223 - 12/01/19 08:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah they have never fallen off before but start looking top heavy so i chop them down and root them. Why do they all get really skinny?
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karode13
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Likely a lack of light. They could be stretching or what's called etiolating.
Jump over into the Trichocereus grower's Unite thread for general questions. I think we've derailed this thread enough. 
Here's a link to it>>>https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18005647
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ChemicalSpark

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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: karode13]
#26358061 - 12/02/19 10:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I managed to scrape up the resin from the pan and got a little over two ounces. Its a hard tootsie roll like consistency which took me a couple of hours to remove.
I tried a gram of it the other day and definitely felt a little something, so I’m looking forward to a larger dose once I get the opportunity.
What’s the shelf life of this stuff? I’ve had it in a pan at room temperature but will move it to a jar in the fridge tomorrow.
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Tar can be stored for a long time and retain potency. Just make sure all water is removed.
In future ask all the consumption questions in the Psychedelic Experience forum. We concentrate on cultivation here.
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ChemicalSpark

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Re: San Pedro (PC) [Re: karode13] 1
#26358079 - 12/02/19 10:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright, will do. Thanks!
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