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#26333295 - 11/20/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You cannot keep a man in a cage. But if he does not see the cage.....
You are a SLAVE to your employer. You are treated like dogshit. QUICKLY do this. DONT talk back. DONT make friends. DONT be social. DEAL with pay cuts. DEAL with hour cuts. DEAL with outside management hiring.
You are a SLAVE to your health. DEAL with 300 a week insurance.
You are a SLAVE to your education. DEAL with 200k student loan debt.
The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.
Healthcare is FREE in most places. Wages are HIGHER. Companies are NICER to you. Boss's are friendly.
You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.
I was working 3 jobs. 2 at minimum wage and one at 10 dollars an hour. All 3 jobs were primarily fri sat and sun work. So even with 3 jobs I wasn't getting full time. And EACH employer was getting more and more pissed at my lack of availability. Eventually I was fired from one company for missing too many days work. And then I had to choose the minimum wage job and quit the 10 dollar an hour job because I could get more total hours. (Can you EVEN IMAGINE that choice)
I had a health issue with one of my testicles. Insurance at the time was 300 a week (pre obama). And I was making about that a week so obviously I couldn't get it. I was eating rice and franks hot sauce and living paycheck to paycheck. I had this issue for a good 5 years. Obamacare came around and lo' and behold health insurance still not affordable. Something like 170 a week as I recall? And it would only cover like 60 percent? I dont remember but the math ended up being unaffordable.
Finally after being bent over in pain and unable to tolerate it anymore.... I went to a hospital crying. Knowing exactly what was going to happen. I was going to get a huge bill. I was going to be unable to work for a few weeks. I was going to AT BEST be unable to afford everything and live in car. At worst I'd lose my job and live in the car.
I lost the testicle. Could have been easily fixed had I went in earlier. The total cost of surgery was astronomical. I havent paid a single penny cuz FUCK america. I was on medications and couch for a week. I went back to work after 5-7 days still very much so on medications. My coworkers jockying for position to get my hours off of me started mocking me to my boss as lazy for not doing the hard work. Boss was believing it and giving me ultimatums. Ended up trying to work while high as fuck and caused an accident that cost the company 10 grand. My boss fired me on the spot.
Afterwards started buying and selling anything I could. Found another minimum wage job a few months later (SHOCKER fri sat and sun only work at part time). Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.
I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.
People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.
As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.
And I KNOW exactly what naysayers are thinking. But but but!!!! COST OF LIVING!!!! Well you can tell that to my fucking bank account. Whats expensive are things that kill you. Cigarettes, booze, chips, fried crap. You can still get a kilo of carrots for 2 bucks. Chicken wings 6 dollars per kilo. Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.
It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.
There is only ONE benefit america has over australia. (Two if you include the bbq / mexican food) And that is opening a business. It is much easier to open a business in american than aus. I will concede that point. But for a worker. For the vast majority of people. Get out of your cage.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten] 1
#26333304 - 11/20/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Australia lives under capitalism too my friend. Y’all just have nicer cages (except the abos).
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26333305 - 11/20/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Internet is about half the cost in every other developed nation, than here in America.
America is a corporation. They take all they know they can take.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26333373 - 11/20/19 11:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Australia lives under capitalism too my friend. Y’all just have nicer cages (except the abos).
*struts around in fancier cage*
Like the allegory of a cave amiright?
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26333401 - 11/20/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’m happy you’re doing better but you seem to have some anger issues @oldname
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26333402 - 11/20/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Australians, on the whole, are definitely better off than Americans, that's for sure.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26334001 - 11/20/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is only ONE benefit america has over australia
It’s also not an island that is mostly desert .
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26334013 - 11/20/19 05:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Australia lives under capitalism too my friend. Y’all just have nicer cages (except the abos).
*struts around in fancier cage*
Like the allegory of a cave amiright?
Pretty much
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#26337027 - 11/21/19 09:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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America has some pretty severe social problems alright. What do they say? 550,000 homeless? Something like 30% of the population has inadequate or no health insurance, the hopeless ghettoes, inadequate schools for the kids in poor neighbourhoods even, etc.
If you are in some of these high poverty classes, you might as well live in Bangladesh or something, by the sounds of it.
That level of poverty is unheard of in most of the developed world. America even had the distinction of allowing hookworm to re-emerge, due to lack of public sanitation. Haven't a couple bridges even collapsed there? Now that's inadequate public investment!
But the richest man in the world, worth $150,000,000,000, the company he owns didn't pay any tax. There are trillions hidden offshore in tax avoidance schemes, and the president handed even more money to the wealthy recently via tax cuts.
Contradictions are starting to become undeniable. The ruling class is only out for themselves and have an inadequate sense of responsibility, it should be clear they need to be taken down a few pegs till they no longer rule, as their rule is contemptible. I hope we see change there.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy]
#26337367 - 11/22/19 02:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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America was almost always designed for the rich since it's inception. Only after the great depression did they attempt to appear to provide for the average citizen.
Now it's becoming more suitable for govt heros by govt heros. Only if you are police, fire or military are you 'worthy'.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Morel Guy]
#26337565 - 11/22/19 07:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Now it's becoming more suitable for govt heros by govt heros. Only if you are police, fire or military are you 'worthy'.
Only if you die in the line of duty, or kill the "enemy".
If you do your duty, and do so honorably without dying in the process, then you're no better. See: homeless veterans.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Kryptos]
#26337662 - 11/22/19 08:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Depends on the source. Media does a lot to protray a proactive improvement.
Lot's of homeless vets also have dishonorable discharges. So Society scuffs at that as it is like a felony.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26338706 - 11/22/19 06:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oldnameforgotten said: There is only ONE benefit america has over australia.
LSD is easier to find.
The public health system works ok here and especially if you're prepared to chip in with extra dollars to get things done quicker. For example if you need a minor operation, pay upfront for the surgeon/bed etc then recover a % of the costs via Medicare, things happen as they should, without the waiting.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Stable Genius]
#26338717 - 11/22/19 06:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can buy your way to the front of the line in Australia's health system?
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy] 1
#26339322 - 11/22/19 11:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I've not thought of it like that.
Scroll down to surgery
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If you’re a public patient in a public hospital, it won’t cost you anything.
You may have costs if you’re a private patient in either a public or a private hospital. You need to pay the difference between what we cover and what your surgery costs.
Ask for a quote from your specialist before surgery. Your private health insurance may cover the costs. Talk to your insurer before surgery to make sure you know what they cover.
That's what I've done last 2 of 3 hernia ops, spoke to the surgeon, got a price, had the procedure 2 weeks later as a 'private patient in a public hospital'.
I have never had private health care as I think the compulsory Medicare levy + contributing when needed is a gamble that has so far paid off.
Private health care here is a rip-off and always has been a lot of money for a nice room, and most times they won't pay the full price demanded by snooty Drs with big names anyway.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Stable Genius]
#26339365 - 11/22/19 11:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are people who cannot pay getting substandard care because of this? What if you couldn't pay the money, how long would you have had to wait?
Ask the surgeon for a quote? That sounds so completely fucked up.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy] 1
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Are they getting sub standard care? People are waiting for procedures yes, but if it's an emergency you get a bed no problem.
How long the wait? It can get ridiculous, years sometimes, depending on the procedure. I've heard some sad stories regarding knee ops.
Asking for a "quote" Yes I agree bizarre even, but when you think about it the surgeons do these ops day in day out and can probably give a closer price than a mechanic looking at a car.
Procedure + Anaethetist + hospital bed = cha ching
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy] 1
#26339454 - 11/23/19 03:43 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah its like stable said. Non-emergency you can wait a while. If its something that can get worse youll wait less and if its something thats an emergency you'll get the treatment right away.
And with private you get in pretty quick regardless. (if not instantly? not sure I dont F with private)
But its extremely cheap. Aussies dont realize how little they pay for private. I want to say its in the 50 a week territory? And thats with a 20 dollar minimum wage average.
You want to talk about corporate welfare the private insurance companies here fuckin get bathed in glory. They find any way possible to charge through government funding to avoid paying out. Evil little bastards but hey capitalism is always gonna find its niche.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26340354 - 11/23/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.
You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.
Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.
I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.
People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.
As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.
Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.
It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.
Hey mate your story is quite interesting, well done for rolling the dice and winning, nice.
Good idea with your post, to get a U.S. view on the things you mentioned.
One thing that I always find interesting is
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As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally
I think Australians could lift their language skills, seriously No need to be alarmed, they're probably surprised with suddenly hearing words being pronounced correctly, and most likely the use of manners.
It could be worse though, and if you've had the misfortune to converse with a Noo Zilander(if you live near Bondi or the Gold Coast you're fucked) you'll understand.
Just kidding, sort of.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Stable Genius]
#26340492 - 11/23/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm curious what the racial tension between whites/muslims/aborigines is like down under? the tension up here in Hawaii is kinda shit; use to be more out in the open a decade ago; now you just get the vibes and the stink eye without the racial remarks; ime over the past couple years at least.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: dreamachine]
#26340519 - 11/23/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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dreamachine said: I'm curious what the racial tension between whites/muslims/aborigines is like down under? the tension up here in Hawaii is kinda shit; use to be more out in the open a decade ago; now you just get the vibes and the stink eye without the racial remarks; ime over the past couple years at least.
Lots of hate. Aussies in general hate indigenous. Think they are lazy and drunks and the general sentiment i get is "should kill them all".
They hate the muslims as well colloquially referred to as Muzzies. They talk about muslims the same way americans talk about mexicans.
From my experience I would say theres more racism against indigenous than there is americans towards black people. Thats not to say the indigenous dont have a ton of sponsors. The government loves kissing their ass and so do a lot of ivory tower people. Which is probably a big part of the reason aussies hate them lol.
Its all behind closed doors of course. It can get heated and some racist words will get thrown but not too often.
Some racist slang: N-word = Bong (pronounced bung) Abbos (racist term for aboriginal)
Interestingly.... because the word "bong" is used for racism.... they dont call a pot bong a bong. They call it a waterpipe and its not used very often.
They also call a bowl a "cone". And that is the typical way you say youre gonna go smoke pot. "im gonna go smoke a cone brb"
And then they call spliffs "spin". Because youre spinning the tobacco and weed together.
The bathroom is the dunny.
And the weirdest one for me is what they call sex. "Root" Did you get a root???
Random aussie slang for you boys. Lol.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26340526 - 11/23/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notice how rascism is generally motivated to cover up mistreatment of those they are bias against.
White people just moved on into lands and cover it up with genocidal programs.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten] 1
#26340567 - 11/23/19 03:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting. I dig the intel on Australia. Yeah the racism over here in Hawaii is kind of similar; but a lot different as well. Over here it's more like the whites (at least poor/middle class whites) have to deal with hatred from the Hawaiians (and even from Japanese/other Asians) for simply being white. Seems like the Elite in Hawaii did more or less the same shit the Elite did in Australia; they destroyed the native peoples and then they bribed the remained to hate the poor white people instead of the elite. (even though the natives hate the elite they more or less suffer them for the paycheck)
it's some fucked up shit. I wish the people of all races and creeds would realize their real enemy is the elite from all races and creeds and not each other. maybe one day we will.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: dreamachine]
#26340573 - 11/23/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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People don't have to be elite for me to dislike them. They just have to be unkind and believe they are superiour for any reason.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten] 2
#26340581 - 11/23/19 03:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am not oblivious AT ALL.
I am fully aware of the massive BULLSHITTERY and brainwash of our people.
I am doing the best I can here. I have gotten through to a lot of people in my life who started out very skeptical of everything I had to say but have came around and are awake now. Their views have changed.
yeah America seriously needs HELP.
I love my country so much, I had so much pride being the daughter of a marine, who's grandfathers fought in combat in WW2 and Korea. my grandma runs the american legion in our area. I have been a patriot all my life. Big american flag on my wall, I do still make the dog to wear his flag bandana ... I feel a shame when I look at a flag now, and that angers me. I am sooo deeply saddened. People choose denial I think because the implications seeing what is going in is so utterly devastating... its a massive gut punch moment when your foundations and core beliefs are shattered and you question what is real. I don't know what truth is anymore.
sometimes I think ignorance is bliss. other times I think knowledge is power. but it does no good unless knowledge is spread to the unlearned and the unwilling to learn.. STOP WATCHING TV FRIENDS.... so ... when you control what the masses see and hear you have tremendous influence over society. Then inject fear and mistrust into that society and you can do anything...
go to fbi.gov and read their mission statement. This is our brightest and most intelligent people made to sound like a defective grade school child, writing out of FEAR. who believes in invisible monsters while trying to persuade everyone else to believe in monsters too. but doing so in order to justify the massive degrading of our privacy rights and civil liberties. Its classic Hegelian dialectic. Cause crisis to employ a desired solution.... Hitler did the same thing. We repeat what Germany did successfully, only America does this under a guise of "spreading democracy" while stealing other nations resources.
see America likes to offer "help..." and by the time you figure out what "help" actually means, there is no help for you. everything is the opposite. they say they'll be more transparent they get more secretive. I could go on forever but I should shut up. I'm already targeted, I don't need to be killed.... and they WILL kill you.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Morel Guy] 1
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Good point. Though that said I look at most people as victims of this elitist system, much like abused children; so I do my best to forgive the unkind and those with false-superiority complexes. That said I suppose we could look upon the elite as being abused children who simply grew up and perpetuated their own abuse onto others.
Not to give everyone a 'victim mentality' While I do believe we are all victims, I do believe we can all learn from our abuse and use it to strengthen our selves and to empower us to grow and to eventually stand up to said abuse.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: sprinkles]
#26340590 - 11/23/19 03:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: sprinkles]
#26340617 - 11/23/19 04:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think it's a well organized conspiracy that has clearly defined agendas.
I think it's mostly ignorance that is organized unconsciously to assume control.
The only thing that could pull it off, is not being mindful of the facts. Look at those that have conspired. They fail.
Those that just walk into success ignorantly actually succeed.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26343784 - 11/25/19 03:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oldnameforgotten said: You cannot keep a man in a cage. But if he does not see the cage.....
You are a SLAVE to your employer. You are treated like dogshit. QUICKLY do this. DONT talk back. DONT make friends. DONT be social. DEAL with pay cuts. DEAL with hour cuts. DEAL with outside management hiring.
You are a SLAVE to your health. DEAL with 300 a week insurance.
You are a SLAVE to your education. DEAL with 200k student loan debt.
The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.
Healthcare is FREE in most places. Wages are HIGHER. Companies are NICER to you. Boss's are friendly.
You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.
I was working 3 jobs. 2 at minimum wage and one at 10 dollars an hour. All 3 jobs were primarily fri sat and sun work. So even with 3 jobs I wasn't getting full time. And EACH employer was getting more and more pissed at my lack of availability. Eventually I was fired from one company for missing too many days work. And then I had to choose the minimum wage job and quit the 10 dollar an hour job because I could get more total hours. (Can you EVEN IMAGINE that choice)
I had a health issue with one of my testicles. Insurance at the time was 300 a week (pre obama). And I was making about that a week so obviously I couldn't get it. I was eating rice and franks hot sauce and living paycheck to paycheck. I had this issue for a good 5 years. Obamacare came around and lo' and behold health insurance still not affordable. Something like 170 a week as I recall? And it would only cover like 60 percent? I dont remember but the math ended up being unaffordable.
Finally after being bent over in pain and unable to tolerate it anymore.... I went to a hospital crying. Knowing exactly what was going to happen. I was going to get a huge bill. I was going to be unable to work for a few weeks. I was going to AT BEST be unable to afford everything and live in car. At worst I'd lose my job and live in the car.
I lost the testicle. Could have been easily fixed had I went in earlier. The total cost of surgery was astronomical. I havent paid a single penny cuz FUCK america. I was on medications and couch for a week. I went back to work after 5-7 days still very much so on medications. My coworkers jockying for position to get my hours off of me started mocking me to my boss as lazy for not doing the hard work. Boss was believing it and giving me ultimatums. Ended up trying to work while high as fuck and caused an accident that cost the company 10 grand. My boss fired me on the spot.
Afterwards started buying and selling anything I could. Found another minimum wage job a few months later (SHOCKER fri sat and sun only work at part time). Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.
I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.
People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.
As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.
And I KNOW exactly what naysayers are thinking. But but but!!!! COST OF LIVING!!!! Well you can tell that to my fucking bank account. Whats expensive are things that kill you. Cigarettes, booze, chips, fried crap. You can still get a kilo of carrots for 2 bucks. Chicken wings 6 dollars per kilo. Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.
It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.
There is only ONE benefit america has over australia. (Two if you include the bbq / mexican food) And that is opening a business. It is much easier to open a business in american than aus. I will concede that point. But for a worker. For the vast majority of people. Get out of your cage.
You worked part time jobs, but expected the benefits of a full time job?
Why didn't you just get a full time job like one that offered health insurance as a benefit?
Why didn't you work M-F instead of weekends?
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: MightyWhite]
#26343791 - 11/25/19 03:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oldnameforgotten said: You cannot keep a man in a cage. But if he does not see the cage.....
You are a SLAVE to your employer. You are treated like dogshit. QUICKLY do this. DONT talk back. DONT make friends. DONT be social. DEAL with pay cuts. DEAL with hour cuts. DEAL with outside management hiring.
You are a SLAVE to your health. DEAL with 300 a week insurance.
You are a SLAVE to your education. DEAL with 200k student loan debt.
The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.
Healthcare is FREE in most places. Wages are HIGHER. Companies are NICER to you. Boss's are friendly.
You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.
I was working 3 jobs. 2 at minimum wage and one at 10 dollars an hour. All 3 jobs were primarily fri sat and sun work. So even with 3 jobs I wasn't getting full time. And EACH employer was getting more and more pissed at my lack of availability. Eventually I was fired from one company for missing too many days work. And then I had to choose the minimum wage job and quit the 10 dollar an hour job because I could get more total hours. (Can you EVEN IMAGINE that choice)
I had a health issue with one of my testicles. Insurance at the time was 300 a week (pre obama). And I was making about that a week so obviously I couldn't get it. I was eating rice and franks hot sauce and living paycheck to paycheck. I had this issue for a good 5 years. Obamacare came around and lo' and behold health insurance still not affordable. Something like 170 a week as I recall? And it would only cover like 60 percent? I dont remember but the math ended up being unaffordable.
Finally after being bent over in pain and unable to tolerate it anymore.... I went to a hospital crying. Knowing exactly what was going to happen. I was going to get a huge bill. I was going to be unable to work for a few weeks. I was going to AT BEST be unable to afford everything and live in car. At worst I'd lose my job and live in the car.
I lost the testicle. Could have been easily fixed had I went in earlier. The total cost of surgery was astronomical. I havent paid a single penny cuz FUCK america. I was on medications and couch for a week. I went back to work after 5-7 days still very much so on medications. My coworkers jockying for position to get my hours off of me started mocking me to my boss as lazy for not doing the hard work. Boss was believing it and giving me ultimatums. Ended up trying to work while high as fuck and caused an accident that cost the company 10 grand. My boss fired me on the spot.
Afterwards started buying and selling anything I could. Found another minimum wage job a few months later (SHOCKER fri sat and sun only work at part time). Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.
I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.
People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.
As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.
And I KNOW exactly what naysayers are thinking. But but but!!!! COST OF LIVING!!!! Well you can tell that to my fucking bank account. Whats expensive are things that kill you. Cigarettes, booze, chips, fried crap. You can still get a kilo of carrots for 2 bucks. Chicken wings 6 dollars per kilo. Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.
It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.
There is only ONE benefit america has over australia. (Two if you include the bbq / mexican food) And that is opening a business. It is much easier to open a business in american than aus. I will concede that point. But for a worker. For the vast majority of people. Get out of your cage.
You worked part time jobs, but expected the benefits of a full time job?
Why didn't you just get a full time job like one that offered health insurance as a benefit?
Why didn't you work M-F instead of weekends?
When I got to Australia all of a sudden I wanted to work full time jobs with enough money to pay for health insurance.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26343801 - 11/25/19 03:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's one of the reasons why hospital bills are so expensive, it's because people bail out on their responsibility to pay the bill, so now the cost gets passed on to the rest.
You very well could've told the hospital that you don't have insurance, they would've adjusted your bill and let you make payments. But the rest of America that owns up to their financial responsibility is a steaming pile?
And you knowingly go to work high as a kite, fuck up and cost your employer ten thousand dollars, then you're mad because you got fired? Did you expect a promotion or raise when you when you went to work high?
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: MightyWhite]
#26343803 - 11/25/19 03:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: That's one of the reasons why hospital bills are so expensive, it's because people bail out on their responsibility to pay the bill, so now the cost gets passed on to the rest.
You very well could've told the hospital that you don't have insurance, they would've adjusted your bill and let you make payments. But the rest of America that owns up to their financial responsibility is a steaming pile?
And you knowingly go to work high as a kite, fuck up and cost your employer ten thousand dollars, then you're mad because you got fired? Did you expect a promotion or raise when you when you went to work high?
What is this we are playing? Read what I say and try to spin it in a negative light game?
I'm excited to see what you type next Mr Donkey.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26343810 - 11/25/19 03:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oldnameforgotten said:
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MightyWhite said:
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Oldnameforgotten said: You cannot keep a man in a cage. But if he does not see the cage.....
You are a SLAVE to your employer. You are treated like dogshit. QUICKLY do this. DONT talk back. DONT make friends. DONT be social. DEAL with pay cuts. DEAL with hour cuts. DEAL with outside management hiring.
You are a SLAVE to your health. DEAL with 300 a week insurance.
You are a SLAVE to your education. DEAL with 200k student loan debt.
The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.
Healthcare is FREE in most places. Wages are HIGHER. Companies are NICER to you. Boss's are friendly.
You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.
I was working 3 jobs. 2 at minimum wage and one at 10 dollars an hour. All 3 jobs were primarily fri sat and sun work. So even with 3 jobs I wasn't getting full time. And EACH employer was getting more and more pissed at my lack of availability. Eventually I was fired from one company for missing too many days work. And then I had to choose the minimum wage job and quit the 10 dollar an hour job because I could get more total hours. (Can you EVEN IMAGINE that choice)
I had a health issue with one of my testicles. Insurance at the time was 300 a week (pre obama). And I was making about that a week so obviously I couldn't get it. I was eating rice and franks hot sauce and living paycheck to paycheck. I had this issue for a good 5 years. Obamacare came around and lo' and behold health insurance still not affordable. Something like 170 a week as I recall? And it would only cover like 60 percent? I dont remember but the math ended up being unaffordable.
Finally after being bent over in pain and unable to tolerate it anymore.... I went to a hospital crying. Knowing exactly what was going to happen. I was going to get a huge bill. I was going to be unable to work for a few weeks. I was going to AT BEST be unable to afford everything and live in car. At worst I'd lose my job and live in the car.
I lost the testicle. Could have been easily fixed had I went in earlier. The total cost of surgery was astronomical. I havent paid a single penny cuz FUCK america. I was on medications and couch for a week. I went back to work after 5-7 days still very much so on medications. My coworkers jockying for position to get my hours off of me started mocking me to my boss as lazy for not doing the hard work. Boss was believing it and giving me ultimatums. Ended up trying to work while high as fuck and caused an accident that cost the company 10 grand. My boss fired me on the spot.
Afterwards started buying and selling anything I could. Found another minimum wage job a few months later (SHOCKER fri sat and sun only work at part time). Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.
I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.
People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.
As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.
And I KNOW exactly what naysayers are thinking. But but but!!!! COST OF LIVING!!!! Well you can tell that to my fucking bank account. Whats expensive are things that kill you. Cigarettes, booze, chips, fried crap. You can still get a kilo of carrots for 2 bucks. Chicken wings 6 dollars per kilo. Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.
It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.
There is only ONE benefit america has over australia. (Two if you include the bbq / mexican food) And that is opening a business. It is much easier to open a business in american than aus. I will concede that point. But for a worker. For the vast majority of people. Get out of your cage.
You worked part time jobs, but expected the benefits of a full time job?
Why didn't you just get a full time job like one that offered health insurance as a benefit?
Why didn't you work M-F instead of weekends?
When I got to Australia all of a sudden I wanted to work full time jobs with enough money to pay for health insurance.
But why didn't you work a full time job when you were in America? You couldn't find one? You had other commitments? (school or family)
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26343818 - 11/25/19 03:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oldnameforgotten said:
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MightyWhite said: That's one of the reasons why hospital bills are so expensive, it's because people bail out on their responsibility to pay the bill, so now the cost gets passed on to the rest.
You very well could've told the hospital that you don't have insurance, they would've adjusted your bill and let you make payments. But the rest of America that owns up to their financial responsibility is a steaming pile?
And you knowingly go to work high as a kite, fuck up and cost your employer ten thousand dollars, then you're mad because you got fired? Did you expect a promotion or raise when you when you went to work high?
What is this we are playing? Read what I say and try to spin it in a negative light game?
I'm excited to see what you type next Mr Donkey.
No, I'm just curious why you call everyone and everything else in America a steaming pile?
I mean this is only my opinion, but skipping out on responsibility and knowingly going to work high isn't really a positive. Kinda seems like you're the steaming pile.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: MightyWhite]
#26343826 - 11/25/19 03:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean you either have down syndrome or youre trolling but I guess I'll explain again.
I didnt work full time in america because I couldn't find a job that would give me full time. I had all these different jobs after 1000+ applications sent out and all of them wanted me to work fri sat and sun. New interviews I would go on would say the same times so I just turned those down.
And I went to work high because my boss said it would be okay for me to do the computer / reservations work while I healed up. But the problem is there was high competition for hours. We were all getting between 20-30 hours and people would stab each other in the back to get up to 30 hours instead of 20. So my co workers started spreading lies saying I am lazy and thats why I'm staying behind the computer. The boss started giving me shit about it and saying he would give my work over to another employee. (this is after 2 days mind you) So I went and worked. All the while I was literally eating 10 pound bags of rice and franks hot sauce to survive.
Soon as I get to australia within 2 weeks I get a full time job making 60k a year.
Youre asking me why I didnt get a full time job? Lol.
Like you honestly cant be this stupid.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26343830 - 11/25/19 04:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You put out 1000 + applications and you couldn't find a full time job with benefits in America?
I think you're the one who is trolling
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26343838 - 11/25/19 04:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am glad that you are doing better for yourself now though. I'll admit, America is a bitch to survive in, only the strong can survive here the weak get eaten alive or move away
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: MightyWhite]
#26343847 - 11/25/19 04:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If only i was strong like you. Lol.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26343862 - 11/25/19 04:34 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oldnameforgotten said: If only i was strong like you. Lol.
I hear you, strong people don't shaft other people with their financial responsibility.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: MightyWhite]
#26343865 - 11/25/19 04:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said:
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Oldnameforgotten said: If only i was strong like you. Lol.
I hear you, strong people don't shaft other people with their financial responsibility.
Next time ill work harder!!! Ill try to be strong like you! Lol.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26361364 - 12/04/19 04:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oldnameforgotten said: You cannot keep a man in a cage. But if he does not see the cage.....
You are a SLAVE to your employer. You are treated like dogshit. QUICKLY do this. DONT talk back. DONT make friends. DONT be social. DEAL with pay cuts. DEAL with hour cuts. DEAL with outside management hiring.
You are a SLAVE to your health. DEAL with 300 a week insurance.
You are a SLAVE to your education. DEAL with 200k student loan debt.
The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.
Healthcare is FREE in most places. Wages are HIGHER. Companies are NICER to you. Boss's are friendly.
You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.
I was working 3 jobs. 2 at minimum wage and one at 10 dollars an hour. All 3 jobs were primarily fri sat and sun work. So even with 3 jobs I wasn't getting full time. And EACH employer was getting more and more pissed at my lack of availability. Eventually I was fired from one company for missing too many days work. And then I had to choose the minimum wage job and quit the 10 dollar an hour job because I could get more total hours. (Can you EVEN IMAGINE that choice)
I had a health issue with one of my testicles. Insurance at the time was 300 a week (pre obama). And I was making about that a week so obviously I couldn't get it. I was eating rice and franks hot sauce and living paycheck to paycheck. I had this issue for a good 5 years. Obamacare came around and lo' and behold health insurance still not affordable. Something like 170 a week as I recall? And it would only cover like 60 percent? I dont remember but the math ended up being unaffordable.
Finally after being bent over in pain and unable to tolerate it anymore.... I went to a hospital crying. Knowing exactly what was going to happen. I was going to get a huge bill. I was going to be unable to work for a few weeks. I was going to AT BEST be unable to afford everything and live in car. At worst I'd lose my job and live in the car.
I lost the testicle. Could have been easily fixed had I went in earlier. The total cost of surgery was astronomical. I havent paid a single penny cuz FUCK america. I was on medications and couch for a week. I went back to work after 5-7 days still very much so on medications. My coworkers jockying for position to get my hours off of me started mocking me to my boss as lazy for not doing the hard work. Boss was believing it and giving me ultimatums. Ended up trying to work while high as fuck and caused an accident that cost the company 10 grand. My boss fired me on the spot.
Afterwards started buying and selling anything I could. Found another minimum wage job a few months later (SHOCKER fri sat and sun only work at part time). Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.
I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.
People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.
As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.
And I KNOW exactly what naysayers are thinking. But but but!!!! COST OF LIVING!!!! Well you can tell that to my fucking bank account. Whats expensive are things that kill you. Cigarettes, booze, chips, fried crap. You can still get a kilo of carrots for 2 bucks. Chicken wings 6 dollars per kilo. Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.
It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.
There is only ONE benefit america has over australia. (Two if you include the bbq / mexican food) And that is opening a business. It is much easier to open a business in american than aus. I will concede that point. But for a worker. For the vast majority of people. Get out of your cage.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26361468 - 12/04/19 05:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Australians, on the whole, are definitely better off than Americans, that's for sure.
I always find these (frequent) comments about one country being better or worse than another country funny. Since we are talking about hundreds of millions of people in such comparisons, it's laughable anyone could think they could make such a grand pronouncement. It's a bit like claiming the weather or food is "better" in one country than another. We can compare statistics, but to say these 25 million people who live in one country are "better off" than those 327 million people who live in another country seems irrational and far beyond speculation and assumption.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 4
#26361512 - 12/04/19 05:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, Australia beats us in median wealth (#2 in the world vs #22 in the world).
Australia beats us in happiness (#11 vs #19).
If you're not interested in these kind of metrics, then sure, you can ignore what I said. Or if there's a metric you think is more important that these, feel free to share. I'm open minded.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26361869 - 12/04/19 09:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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His argument is effectively "If one person is better off in one country than that means you cant compare them".
Its like saying women arent weaker physically than men because ronda rousey could kick my ass.
This desperate need to not be equivocated lol. Meanwhile the mere fact that healthcare is free clearly demonstrates the superiority of Aus. Let alone the higher pay and higher quality of life.
It would take him a week of working in Aus to realize how wrong he is.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Australians, on the whole, are definitely better off than Americans, that's for sure.
I always find these (frequent) comments about one country being better or worse than another country funny. Since we are talking about hundreds of millions of people in such comparisons, it's laughable anyone could think they could make such a grand pronouncement. It's a bit like claiming the weather or food is "better" in one country than another. We can compare statistics, but to say these 25 million people who live in one country are "better off" than those 327 million people who live in another country seems irrational and far beyond speculation and assumption.
Goddamn it's refreshing to see reason used around here.
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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26373179 - 12/10/19 01:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it weren't for firstly the gold 1800's, then wool 1900's, coal mid 1900's iron ore late 1990's till present, then this place would be another banana republic island in the Coral Sea/Indian Ocean etc.
The commodities have helped swing the economy in a different direction as our textile/automobile/machinery manufacturing industries closed one after another. Aus simply does not have the numbers when it comes to competing with China.
Aus is supposed to have a 90 day fuel supply because the bulk of the raw and refined petroleum comes from overseas now. That's a worry I think.
It's a numbers game.
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