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My bags and grain keeps getting burned
    #26332922 - 11/20/19 08:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys..

The past time i've experience something pretty annoying.
I've started to grow in bags again, but they keep melting when i PC them.
I have no idea why and it haven't been a problem before. Also my grain jars get burned from time to time.

I've set the stove at a lower and lower temp., but i keeps happening.

Do you have any idea what could cause this? I've had luck with one bag so far, and i've even tried with bags purchased different places.

It happens whether i cook one bag or 4 bags. It's pretty annoying!



Edited by Thomsen (11/20/19 08:38 AM)


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26332929 - 11/20/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Wtf is in that bag? Did you put 3qt of water in your PC? Are you using the trivet plate?


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Failboat]
    #26332937 - 11/20/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's a sawdust mix.

I just fill up to just about the top of the trivet plate, yes.
And even if i cook one bag, and place it in the middle of the PC, it's still melting.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26332942 - 11/20/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like u need more water in your PC


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: SFS96]
    #26332946 - 11/20/19 08:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Sounds like u need more water in your PC




I have tried that. I put some jar lid rings in the bottom and placed the plate on that. The result was the bag melting on the entire plate.



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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26332973 - 11/20/19 08:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

RTFM (Read The Fucking Manual) I know when I gurst used a Pressure cooker I didn't bother to read the manual. I wasted 6 years of my life not growing mushrooms because I didn't read the manual. A 23qt presto says to put 3qt water in it. Then pnce you have loaded the jars and placed the lid on you must vent the air out after the lock pops up for 10min so as to ensure the chamber is only filled with steam.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Failboat]
    #26332987 - 11/20/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The past 3 years, i've had this problem 2 or 3 times. Same PC, same procedure, even some of the same bags which i first bought. :shrug:


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333005 - 11/20/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It definitely sounds like you are running out of water. How hard is the weight wobbling during the cycle? Is their water left after the cycle? If so, how much?

If you bought shitty bags (I'd advise unicorn) they could be melting even without running out of water but jars? Hell no. They don't burn unless the PC runs low on water.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26333014 - 11/20/19 09:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

There's water left in the PC everytime, this time just over 100 ml out of the about 600 ml i poured in. I've also tried pouring more water in, without raising the plate, same thing. The weight is set to 15 psi.

I did suspect the new bags i bought so I tried the old bags which I've had fine success with the bag i just tried out yesterday but sure enough it was a little melted. Less than the first pic, but still melted.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26333024 - 11/20/19 09:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

what size pc do u have? 600ml sounds way too low


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333032 - 11/20/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:pilkington: you need to put more water in it...


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: SFS96]
    #26333035 - 11/20/19 09:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's a 21 qt all american PC. But i don't really think that the amount of water is the problem since i've tried the different amounts.

The jars is also only burned at a small spot which looks like to have touched the side of the PC.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Failboat]
    #26333037 - 11/20/19 09:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Quirkmeister92 said:
:pilkington: you need to put more water in it...




I've tried that .....


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333040 - 11/20/19 09:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

How far up the side of the bags would you have let the water go? I'll try one more freaking time :facepalm3:


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333043 - 11/20/19 09:13 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Your Cooker probably requires around 3 quarts which is close to 3000ml. Have u looked in the manual?


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333045 - 11/20/19 09:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What kind of bags are those?


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: SFS96]
    #26333049 - 11/20/19 09:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'll see if i can find it now. It still doesn't explain why i've been able to cook 500 jars and about 50 bags without the problem, when i've used the same amount of water everytime.

But i'll see what i can find.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333062 - 11/20/19 09:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I bought these filters and for some reason they also melted in the batch i cooked two days ago. Grains looked a little burned in that batch too, but there were still 4 jars that where fine and with the filter not melted...


Some of the bags are PVC and the others i don't recall buy i bought them here.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333066 - 11/20/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

its the bags


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26333072 - 11/20/19 09:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

meaculpaUIO said:
its the bags




It's not the bags fault that my grains burn, i can tell you that much.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333080 - 11/20/19 09:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Post some pics of your PC with the amount of water you use.

Are you cooking on gas or electric. Is the flame lapping up the side of the cooker?


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26333102 - 11/20/19 09:43 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I've tried the different amounts and i've even put lid rings on one of the plates, and more rings on that, and the other plate on top of that. Same thing with the bags.
The fist pic is 600 ml, just to the top of the plate. Secound about 1200 ml and the last is roughly 1600 ml



It's an electric stove, so no flames up the sides.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333107 - 11/20/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like not enough water


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Failboat]
    #26333114 - 11/20/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You need to use way more water... I always do 1 inch of water.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Rot]
    #26333132 - 11/20/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You need to use way more water... I always do 1 inch of water.




i've tried 2-3 inch of water, and the problem's still there. :shrug:

I've now poured in 2L of water and put a bag in. So i guess i'll i see what happens


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333146 - 11/20/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What is the point of trying to use as little water as possible?

If I had stuff burning my first thought would be “damn. I need more water”

Maybe your seal is fucked and your losing more water than you used to? Do you oil your gasket?

Hope this time it works out!!


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26333163 - 11/20/19 10:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No point in that really. Problem is that it's only started to burn for real.

Actually there could be something about the seal. Because the pressure tends to drop after about 1 hour of cooking but it's all ways hard to get off when it has cooled. I totally forgot about that. No oiling

It doesn't seem like im loosing more water than usually though


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333169 - 11/20/19 10:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to keep pressure up when there's not enough water.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26333172 - 11/20/19 10:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1632911/All-American-910.html?page=21#manual

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2) Pour 2-3" of water in cooker.




However, when you say 600ml, that is not going to provide anywhere close to 2".


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: footpath]
    #26333176 - 11/20/19 10:17 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Quirkmeister92 said:
It's hard to keep pressure up when there's not enough water.




That makes sence yes.

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https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1632911/All-American-910.html?page=21#manual

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2) Pour 2-3" of water in cooker.




However, when you say 600ml, that is not going to provide anywhere close to 2".




You're right about that. I'll see how it goes with the 2L of water which is on the stove now. Hope i just too little water.


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26334683 - 11/20/19 11:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

How'd it go?


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Failboat]
    #26338184 - 11/22/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It worked. So more water in the future!

Thanks for the help!


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen] * 1
    #26338188 - 11/22/19 01:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:costanza:


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Failboat] * 1
    #26338217 - 11/22/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:hereyougo:


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26338368 - 11/22/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl2: it’s crazy what can happen when you use your equipment right :crazy2:


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: SFS96]
    #26341777 - 11/24/19 06:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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:rofl2: it’s crazy what can happen when you use your equipment right :crazy2:




Apperently it makes things a lot easier :lol:


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Thomsen]
    #26341929 - 11/24/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

RTFM:rofl:


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Re: My bags and grain keeps getting burned [Re: Failboat]
    #26341931 - 11/24/19 08:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I will from now on :lol: :lol:


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