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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26400592 - 12/25/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i can't give you a book recommendation, but i do have this to say.  there is no "way" or set path to be "a man"


live your life, be yourself, and don't worry over such trivial matters as "manliness."  the fact that you are even bothered by this means you care what other people think of you.  the first step is to stop giving a shit about what anyone else thinks.  again, live your life the way you want and don't concern yourself with how others want you to be.

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26401000 - 12/25/19 09:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thats bad advice.

Ive never met someone who fully encapsulates every quality i value, which is my goal.

Since these men are few and far between in real life, reading books is a way to discover the traits and qualities i wish to emulate.

Seeking to better myself in no way says i "care what other people think" or that i am not "being myself"

It says i recognize qualities in myself i wish to burn away and that i recognize there is a better version of myself i can become.

I listen to myself and follow my own path. That includes self cultivation and constant work toward growth and discipline and again, to emulate that which i value and hold in the highest regard.

To me that is what it means to be a man.

To work toward attaining your highest self image.

I dont need people telling me who not to listen to or blah blah blah.

Suggest a book or good advice or save it for someone else


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26401657 - 12/26/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive never met someone who fully encapsulates every quality i value, which is my goal.



Yeah, because that's not how people work.  People have flaws.  It comes with the territory.  It doesn't mean that you can't have boundaries or a sense of decorum, but you're going to make yourself miserable and angry if you think about people in terms of the ways that they fall short of some social phantasm of an ideal person.

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I dont need people telling me who not to listen to or blah blah blah.



Then quit flirting with Peterson and the MTGOW/red pill crowd.  That whole crowd is just a miasmatic clusterfuck of stultified emotional faculties, rage, and learned helplessness.  Pursuing this whole idea of platonic masculinity is going to fail (pretty much by definition) and if you don't just give up on it then you'll end up being sucked into an echo chamber of red-pill/incel rage.




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Re: Book recommendations [Re: chibiabos]
    #26401905 - 12/26/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I didnt waste my time reading your post nor will i waste my time answering to you


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26402024 - 12/26/19 06:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Rockstar/showbiz bios are usually really good.


It's interesting how people respond to the transition between being normal to being famous.

Ive been doing a bit of writing about this recently

Look at Pauly Shore and Bam Margera

Both of them got way too famous way too fast and that fame just didn't translate into older age.

Watching a 40 year old man act like a teenager isn't funny its sad.


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26402036 - 12/26/19 06:54 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I didnt waste my time reading your post nor will i waste my time answering to you



If you meant "to answer you" then you literally did and if you really meant "answering to you" then that's really weird.  Nobody's expecting you to answer to answer to them.

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: chibiabos]
    #26402917 - 12/27/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Dont be a troll


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26402934 - 12/27/19 11:42 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Archetypes, people that i might like, to be just like, in a completely different way


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26402994 - 12/27/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I guess that would kind of depend on who your heros are?


I read a book about Doc Holiday a while back that was really good.

He contracted TB then went out west to spend the rest of his days drinking and gambling.

What made Doc deadly with a gun wasnt his quick draw.

When guns were drawn, other men would hesitate, he wouldn't.

Because he knew he was already a walking corpse.


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26403058 - 12/27/19 01:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Dont be a troll



I'm honestly not sure whether you made a typo or whether you genuinely think that I expect you to answer to me.  :justdontknow:

You're setting yourself up for a really bad time if you're searching for some sort of idealized love/friendship (or any relationship, really) though.

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: chibiabos]
    #26403415 - 12/27/19 06:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I just want to be the best i can be.

I was struggling on my path when i posted this.


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26405141 - 12/28/19 05:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Learn to play well with others in real life then.  The internet is a godawful place to be socialized.

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: chibiabos]
    #26405254 - 12/28/19 06:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I get along great with people in real life.

I just moved to a new state and have already made some friends with good people...

People seem to like me a lot. Probably because in genuine, authentic, understanding, and kind

What the hell?

Idk what your problem is man. I got enough of my own though.


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26405289 - 12/28/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand what you problem is either.  I'm fine taking your word for it that your social life is fulfilling but, that being the case, I don't understand why you need book recommendations on how to be a "real man."  :justdontknow:

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: chibiabos]
    #26405362 - 12/28/19 08:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I dont need you to understand my life man or what im doing but since you ask.

My father failed me. Maybe he did the best he could but i grew up with no role models and no father figure.

I grew up with no man helping me or teaching me or leading me.

Now im having a child of my own.

The woman i was with wants nothing to do with me and that's a different story.

But my current situation has shown me i have areas i need to improve in.

Thats all.

Hope that answers your question and you can let it be and stop giving me such a hard time about it.


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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26405438 - 12/28/19 10:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
I dont need you to understand my life man or what im doing but since you ask.

My father failed me. Maybe he did the best he could but i grew up with no role models and no father figure.

I grew up with no man helping me or teaching me or leading me.







i'm right there, except for that my father didn't give two shits, let alone did anywhere near the best he could.


i'm telling you, these things you are reading are not going to help you in the long run.  listen to yourself, listen to your heart.  treat others with kindness (not necessarily respect, unless they've earned it.)  ALWAYS be there for your kid(s) unless you're so fucked up you are detrimental to their health/well being.  don't beat your woman, don't lie to your woman, don't lie to your kids.


like i said in my first post, there is no one "way" to be a man/manly.  be yourself.  don't worry if others think you are or aren't manly or manly enough.  it doesn't fucking matter.


but you'll probably just dismiss this post immediately as well because MUH TESTOSTERONE

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26405531 - 12/28/19 11:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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but you'll probably just dismiss this post immediately as well because MUH TESTOSTERONE



What a cheap womanly thing to say

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26405677 - 12/29/19 04:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Buckomcdoogle said:
Rockstar/showbiz bios are usually really good.


It's interesting how people respond to the transition between being normal to being famous.

Ive been doing a bit of writing about this recently

Look at Pauly Shore and Bam Margera

Both of them got way too famous way too fast and that fame just didn't translate into older age.

Watching a 40 year old man act like a teenager isn't funny its sad.





Learning "how to be a man"....the best way might be by studying the trainwreck cases. So true Buckomcdoogle. If anything, the lesson I get from considering this is don't let money rule you. Have your yes mean yes and your no mean no.

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Enkidu]
    #26405981 - 12/29/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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mt cleverest said:
Quote:

Tulipslave said:

but you'll probably just dismiss this post immediately as well because MUH TESTOSTERONE



What a cheap womanly thing to say





interesting, in what way is it "womanly?"

i say that because a few posts up he clearly says:

Quote:

Enkidu said:
I didnt waste my time reading your post nor will i waste my time answering to you






context, much?





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DJ_avocado said:
Learning "how to be a man"....the best way might be by studying the trainwreck cases. So true Buckomcdoogle. If anything, the lesson I get from considering this is don't let money rule you. Have your yes mean yes and your no mean no.





so much this.  my father was a shitbag of the N'th degree.  i learned how to treat others and partially how to live my life based on his horrid example.  sometimes having a negative "role model" is better than having a positive role model.

mean what you say, say what you mean.  good advice.

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Re: Book recommendations [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26406329 - 12/29/19 01:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Tulipslave said:

Quote:

Enkidu said:
I didnt waste my time reading your post nor will i waste my time answering to you






context, much?




He was talking to me.

Maybe OP should watch some Mr. Rogers with his son.  It actually holds up pretty well in the 21st Century.  :shrug:

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