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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26317737 - 11/13/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You're saying the official story should never be questioned?  What's your point?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26317762 - 11/13/19 12:27 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You can’t promote conspiracy theories for years and then suddenly expect to be considered a reputable source of news .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26317783 - 11/13/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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You can’t promote conspiracy theories for years and then suddenly expect to be considered a reputable source of news .




Is questioning a government or MSM narrative the same thing as promoting a conspiracy theory?  NO, so why are you trying to equate the two?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
    #26317802 - 11/13/19 12:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so then the 911 truth movement isn’t a conspiracy nutter movement it’s a question asking movement . Gotcha .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26317852 - 11/13/19 01:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Psilynut2 said:
You can’t promote conspiracy theories for years and then suddenly expect to be considered a reputable source of news .




Is questioning a government or MSM narrative the same thing as promoting a conspiracy theory?  NO, so why are you trying to equate the two?



:whathesaid:


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Ok so then the 911 truth movement isn’t a conspiracy nutter movement it’s a question asking movement . Gotcha .



I can't speak for 'the 911 truth movement', but you'd be correct in that in general, Jimmy is asking questions.

And again, if 911 is all you got on Jimmy, he's doing pretty good.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26317862 - 11/13/19 01:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

"Hey, shouldn't they investigate Seth Rich so at least they can rule him out?"

"Shut up and accept the official story.  Evidence is for conspiracy theorists!"


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26317875 - 11/13/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Jimmy Dore :
“” I start from the premise that the government is lying and now I just have to figure out what they're lying about specifically.””

Also Jimmy dore :

“” “”This is Rachel Maddow starting at a conclusion and working backwards which is what all conspiracy theorists do. That's what she is. She's a crazy nut, over-the-top conspiracy theorist.
—Jimmy Dore on The Jimmy D”””

Is he right ?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26317978 - 11/13/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You left out the context for both of your quotes.

Nonetheless, Rachael Maddow is clearly one of the great conspiracy theorists as evidenced by her constant Trump-Russia collusion reporting which all turned out to be a giant nothing burger.  He's right about her thinking.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26318018 - 11/13/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So Maddow  cant question the official whitehouse narrative of no Russian collusion without being branded a conspiracy nutter ?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26318059 - 11/13/19 03:37 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You don't seem to understand the difference between believing in something with no evidence, and questioning something because there is no evidence.

Rachael peddled RussiaGate without evidence.  Jimmy questioned RussiaGate because there was no evidence.

Burden of proof ALWAYS falls on the person making a claim.  If Rachael still believes there was collusion after a massive 3 year investigation said otherwise, then burden of proof is on her.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26318082 - 11/13/19 03:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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questioning something because there is no evidence.




This is not something a logical person should do


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26318083 - 11/13/19 03:54 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
questioning something because there is no evidence.



This is not something a logical person should do



My friend Bertrand Russell says there's a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between earth and mars, but he has no evidence of this.

If you question this, then you're not a logical person (using your own logic).


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26318119 - 11/13/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Burden of proof ALWAYS falls on the person making a claim.  If




  Burden of proof applies to the state during a criminal trial , it does not apply to the court of public opinion or her show .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26318147 - 11/13/19 04:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

A logical fallacy is a flaw in reasoning which is applicable to ANY logical argument.

If you don't want to argue using basic logic, I suggest you move on to the kindeegarten forum.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26318168 - 11/13/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Did I forget this?

Your logical fallacy is:  Burden of Proof


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26318289 - 11/13/19 06:05 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Does it have to be 911 stuff ?

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g to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting:
Dore: I saw one picture of his room, I didn't see any shell casings. There should be a fucking pile of shell casings about four feet high. He shot sixty bullets a second for fucking ten minutes, are you kidding me?[135]
Walsh: There's a cab driver in the Mandalay Bay turnaround and you hear gunfire far away then you hear it right near the nightclub. And it's like that sounds like two different places.
Dore: Two totally different guns! Two totally different placements! I've heard that.
Walsh: But you're fucking psycho if—
Dore: If you say that you're mental. See, here's what's happening lately. You can have an open murder investigation, which is what this is, and you ask questions about it, you're immediately shouted down. That's not supposed to happen during an investigation. They haven't even concluded what the fucking real investigation was supposed to say. So that's suspicious, exactly what you say, super suspicious. Why are they taking down YouTube videos that question the official narrative? If those YouTube videos are wrong, who gives a fuck?[136]








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That's classic Jimmy dore asking why alternative theories always get shot down before the investigation is complete.  He makes a good point.  He's not insisting the alternative stories are true.

"Why are they taking down YouTube videos that question the official narrative? If those YouTube videos are wrong, who gives a fuck?"




To set up his questions, he made assertions, guesses, pulled shit out of his ass, and that is one reason some people don't think of him as serious, IMO.


--i saw one picture of his room and saw no shell casings.
--the re should be a pile four feet high
--he shot sixty bullets a second (no. No he didn't. Not even close)
--two totally different guns!  Two totally different placements!!

Then he asked some queztions or something?  If he wants to be taken seriously--and I have no idea if he even does--the he should drop the hyperbolic assertions before asking questions...IMHO


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: relic]
    #26318333 - 11/13/19 06:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

They don’t have shit on Trump. They got NOTHING. This has been partisan ever since day one and this is setting an awful precedent about the blatant abuse of the impeachment process for political gain.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26318341 - 11/13/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
questioning something because there is no evidence.



This is not something a logical person should do



My friend Bertrand Russell says there's a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between earth and mars, but he has no evidence of this.

If you question this, then you're not a logical person (using your own logic).




“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” :thumbup:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: relic]
    #26318433 - 11/13/19 07:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Does it have to be 911 stuff ?

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g to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting:
Dore: I saw one picture of his room, I didn't see any shell casings. There should be a fucking pile of shell casings about four feet high. He shot sixty bullets a second for fucking ten minutes, are you kidding me?[135]
Walsh: There's a cab driver in the Mandalay Bay turnaround and you hear gunfire far away then you hear it right near the nightclub. And it's like that sounds like two different places.
Dore: Two totally different guns! Two totally different placements! I've heard that.
Walsh: But you're fucking psycho if—
Dore: If you say that you're mental. See, here's what's happening lately. You can have an open murder investigation, which is what this is, and you ask questions about it, you're immediately shouted down. That's not supposed to happen during an investigation. They haven't even concluded what the fucking real investigation was supposed to say. So that's suspicious, exactly what you say, super suspicious. Why are they taking down YouTube videos that question the official narrative? If those YouTube videos are wrong, who gives a fuck?[136]








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That's classic Jimmy dore asking why alternative theories always get shot down before the investigation is complete.  He makes a good point.  He's not insisting the alternative stories are true.

"Why are they taking down YouTube videos that question the official narrative? If those YouTube videos are wrong, who gives a fuck?"




To set up his questions, he made assertions, guesses, pulled shit out of his ass, and that is one reason some people don't think of him as serious, IMO.


--i saw one picture of his room and saw no shell casings.
--the re should be a pile four feet high
--he shot sixty bullets a second (no. No he didn't. Not even close)
--two totally different guns!  Two totally different placements!!

Then he asked some queztions or something?  If he wants to be taken seriously--and I have no idea if he even does--the he should drop the hyperbolic assertions before asking questions...IMHO



The above quotes were taken out of context and with important text removed.  Jimmy was in a round table discussion about how the mainstream media likes to jump to conclusions long before an investigation is ever done.

The first bullet point Psilynut posted above says "I saw one picture of his room, I didn't see any shell casings" but Jimmy actually said "I just saw one picture of his room so maybe there's more pictures... I hope... I'm sure there are.  I didn't see any shell casings"

Sounds a little different doesn't it?  Especially when you consider that the point of the discussion wasn't even about the Vegas shooting, it was about how quickly the media jumps to conclusions.


Edit:  The Vegas example wasn't even brought up by Jimmy, he was just helping argue how the media does tend to come to quick conclusions.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26318497 - 11/13/19 07:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Did I forget this?

Your logical fallacy is:  Burden of Proof





I can’t provide you with evidence OJ killed Nicole . But, I think he did it anyway . He did it. See how that works , your illogical fallacy burden of blah blah blah didn’t mean shit there .
  Maybe if Trump didn’t tweet witch-hunt 600 times and obstruct the investigation I would be more inclined to agree with you .
The only thing I’ve claimed is that Jimmy Dore is not a news source because he’s not even a journalist he’s a comedian and a terrible talk show host.  Like John Stewart , or Trevor Noah  without the talent .
  The other thing I claimed is that he’s a shameless conspiracy nutter who uses conspiracy theories to increase his viewership , and I’ve proven that without question .


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