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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: TIS87]
#26462638 - 01/31/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's not necessarily true. I had a trial subscription to DocuSign, and it didn't include any evidence nor witnesses.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Enlil] 4
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The USA had a trial subscription to legitimate government. I guess it wasn't for them.
Political legitimacy is a virtue of political institutions
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LogicaL Chaos said: Trump basically dodged impeachment by using the governmental laws againist itself. The perfect cover-up. What a genius plot.
I think the establishment dodged a bullet by not exposing Biden. 
The democrats wanted to hear from 4 witness I think the republicans should of made a 4 for 4 deal and called joe, hunter, shiff and Eric Ciaramella
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Enlil] 1
#26462905 - 01/31/20 10:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What's the point in determining whether Seth Rich leaked DNC emails as a high level FBI insider told Seymour Hersh?
Is that a serious question?
Yes. It's a serious question. The man is dead. Why investigate a crime that cannot be prosecuted?
I'm confused. Do think his murderer is dead?
At any rate, I don't think the DNC or the Government had anything to do with his murder. I'm just curious why the FBI said they never checked Seth's computer (at least not publicly), and why they won't investigate that possibility given it's their job to find out who gave the DNC emails to Wikileaks.
I'll even accept that Russia was able to hack the DNC server. But who gave the emails to Wikileaks?
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You said investigate him...not investigate his murderer. If you're wondering why the FBI wouldn't investigate his murder, it's probably because that's something for the local police to do.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Trump basically dodged impeachment by using the governmental laws againist itself. The perfect cover-up. What a genius plot.
I think the establishment dodged a bullet by not exposing Biden. 
The democrats wanted to hear from 4 witness I think the republicans should of made a 4 for 4 deal and called joe, hunter, shiff and Eric Ciaramella
I would be so down for that deal. Throw Hillary up there for that email thing for good measure (sorry Hillary).
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods] 1
#26463207 - 02/01/20 08:19 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is too fun. Romney denied invitation to the CPAC Conservative Conference.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/romney-not-welcome-at-cpac-after-impeachment-witness-vote/ar-BBZxaXg?ocid=spartandhp
Sorry Romney, but you betrayed the Conservative CPAC.
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Republican senators set a precedent here, blind party loyalty, re-election, and corporate contributions are now openly the top priorities of elected officials.
It's always been the case, on both sides, behind closed doors, but we're entering dark territory when they feel strong and comfortable enough that they no longer need to hide corruption, and have a supporter base that will celebrate it.
It's scary that people don't see the gravity of what's happening, because they think they're on the republican team and actually a part of something. In reality, senators (both democrat and republicans) are errand boys for the corporations who want to further enrich themselves off of us, at the expense of us. Time in government making ~150k is just a tryout for the million $ plus lobbyist jobs the corporations promise them if they bend over while in office.
The fact we have fanboys for a president and now an entire party is scary. It means they won't criticize him or question him, and that's how democracy fails. Not just a Trump phenomenon, but he seems to have the biggest unwavering cult following of any recent politician, and has bragged about that fact.
Presidents don't need to be cheered, they need to be watched closely and held accountable for everything they do, politics should not be a team sport
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feevers]
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100% yes. THANK YOU. Its time to wake up to the state of modern politics and its need to change to a fair, just government. Ascension 2020, lets do this!!!!!
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feevers]
#26463249 - 02/01/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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feevers said: Republican senators set a precedent here, blind party loyalty, re-election, and corporate contributions are now openly the top priorities of elected officials.
It's always been the case, on both sides, behind closed doors, but we're entering dark territory when they feel strong and comfortable enough that they no longer need to hide corruption, and have a supporter base that will celebrate it.
It's scary that people don't see the gravity of what's happening, because they think they're on the republican team and actually a part of something. In reality, senators (both democrat and republicans) are errand boys for the corporations who want to further enrich themselves off of us, at the expense of us. Time in government making ~150k is just a tryout for the million $ plus lobbyist jobs the corporations promise them if they bend over while in office.
The fact we have fanboys for a president and now an entire party is scary. It means they won't criticize him or question him, and that's how democracy fails. Not just a Trump phenomenon, but he seems to have the biggest unwavering cult following of any recent politician, and has bragged about that fact.
Presidents don't need to be cheered, they need to be watched closely and held accountable for everything they do, politics should not be a team sport
What is the gravity of what's happening?
Should puppets be held accountable, if someone can't govern, why should they be held accountable.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feevers]
#26463287 - 02/01/20 09:21 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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feevers said: Republican senators set a precedent here, blind party loyalty, re-election, and corporate contributions are now openly the top priorities of elected officials.
It's always been the case, on both sides, behind closed doors, but we're entering dark territory when they feel strong and comfortable enough that they no longer need to hide corruption, and have a supporter base that will celebrate it.
It's scary that people don't see the gravity of what's happening, because they think they're on the republican team and actually a part of something. In reality, senators (both democrat and republicans) are errand boys for the corporations who want to further enrich themselves off of us, at the expense of us. Time in government making ~150k is just a tryout for the million $ plus lobbyist jobs the corporations promise them if they bend over while in office.
The fact we have fanboys for a president and now an entire party is scary. It means they won't criticize him or question him, and that's how democracy fails. Not just a Trump phenomenon, but he seems to have the biggest unwavering cult following of any recent politician, and has bragged about that fact.
Presidents don't need to be cheered, they need to be watched closely and held accountable for everything they do, politics should not be a team sport
Nothing happened in a dark territory. It happened in the same territory you guys have been in since the Constitution said that this is how it works.
Nothing shocking happened here. Just an attempt at impeaching a President that has the Senate majority. This result is not surprising at all. It was to be expected.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Patlal]
#26463291 - 02/01/20 09:25 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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The surprising thing is the Senate Justice system failed today as a proper trial was not conducted.
Imagine if this was a murder case, and the jury decided to vote not to see a first-hand witness to the murder for the sole reason that they all agreed as a group that the witness was not "necessary" for the case. In this way, the jury has too much control of the trial, just like how the Republican's have too much control over the Senate, and thus acquitted the President with an incomplete, expeditated trial without reviewing all the evidence first.
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You do understand the government works for the government not the people right.
People in this thread or anywhere can pretend like they know the rules, how it should work, expectations. Arm chair rhetoric. Look where it got everyone in this thread. Just bunched up their panties watching a rigged game.
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LogicaL Chaos said: The surprising thing is the Senate Justice system failed today as a proper trial was not conducted.
Imagine if this was a murder case, and the jury decided to vote not to see a first-hand witness to the murder for the sole reason that they all agreed as a group that the witness was not "necessary" for the case. In this way, the jury has too much control of the trial, just like how the Republican's have too much control over the Senate, and thus acquitted the President with an incomplete, expeditated trial without reviewing all the evidence first.
This is not a murder case.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Patlal]
#26463307 - 02/01/20 09:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you didn't expect this outcome you may as well believe in unicorns 😁😂😁
They did things the wrong way   No fucking shit lol.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Patlal]
#26463308 - 02/01/20 09:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, its not a murder case. It was mearly an example to point out the imbalance of power by the two types of crimes being investigated. Now essentially the President can do whatever he wants and the Senate will aquit him automatically, despite any evidence presented (or not presented). That is dangerous and should not be how it works.
The format of a murder trial is much more fair and balanced than a Senate trial.
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Keep voting that will change it 👍
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: bodhisatta]
#26463316 - 02/01/20 09:43 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im confident things will change in the future. May take a decade, but change is coming. This is acquitted Senate trial is just the start of things to come.
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Worse. Corruption breeds corruption. how sinister the government is has only increased as a function of time. It's really only ordinary people who keep society from falling apart.
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LogicaL Chaos said: No, its not a murder case. It was mearly an example to point out the imbalance of power by the two types of crimes being investigated. Now essentially the President can do whatever he wants and the Senate will aquit him automatically, despite any evidence presented (or not presented). That is dangerous and should not be how it works.
The format of a murder trial is much more fair and balanced than a Senate trial.
It's also very dangerous when you spend 3 years on a baseless political witch hunt to just distract the US public from the key issues that affect their well being. I think that's even more dangerous than what you're fearing at the moment.
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