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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26459863 - 01/30/20 09:06 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

HAS ANYONE ONE SEEN THE VIDEO bolton interviewing in august about ukraine?  Its over. :crazybeard:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26459889 - 01/30/20 09:25 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i have.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26459910 - 01/30/20 09:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26460148 - 01/30/20 12:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Trump was very hesitant to hire him in the first place, because of the mustache. It's looking like his first instinct was right.

I hate Bolton on foreign policy but it looks like he really wants to step up. Whether it's to do the right thing and tell the truth, or fuck with the guy who fucked with him, IDK. It's good either way.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26460196 - 01/30/20 12:47 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I just told you what they found.



Soooo he has signed statements from self-confessed corrupt politicians? Sounds legit.



Source?  Or make believe?

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Btw, thanks to Zelensky, over 80% of Ukraine’s current politicians weren’t in office when Obama was president. And 100% of them can’t get re-elected if they admit being bought by anyone.
:themoreyouknow:



Good for Zelensky.  :thumbup:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26460197 - 01/30/20 12:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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HAS ANYONE ONE SEEN THE VIDEO bolton interviewing in august about ukraine?  Its over. :crazybeard:



Can someone post it?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26460214 - 01/30/20 12:56 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I just told you what they found.



Soooo he has signed statements from self-confessed corrupt politicians? Sounds legit.



Source?  Or make believe?

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Btw, thanks to Zelensky, over 80% of Ukraine’s current politicians weren’t in office when Obama was president. And 100% of them can’t get re-elected if they admit being bought by anyone.
:themoreyouknow:



Good for Zelensky.  :thumbup:



LOL!!!! Your post was the source!!! You said they signed statements stating they were bought by Obama:rofl2:

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26460218 - 01/30/20 12:57 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Who do you think Strzok was referring to, if not the FBI, when he said "No he won't (become President). We'll stop it."?



Everyone to the left of Mitch Mcconnel. :shrug:

But, I dont feel strongly enough about it to make a stand and defend my position to the nth degree and this isn't the thread for it anyway. 

If, if he meant the FBI, then he terribly overestimated the FBI's ability to do what they want.  If he meant the left, well then he overestimated the electorate like it seems the majority of Americans, and people around the world, did.



I showed you a video of the FBI saying it was their mission to ensure certain people don't become President.  That guy, and now Strzok, seemed to have confidence in the FBI's ability to fulfill that mission (maybe less so now that Trump was able to get in despite their efforts).

I don't see "we" meaning "the left".  Strzok has no control over the left.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26460227 - 01/30/20 01:01 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL!!!! Your post was the source!!! You said they signed statements stating they were bought by Obama:rofl2:



Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic when you said "sounds legit", but you were agreeing that the Obama administration asked them to dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26460244 - 01/30/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Who do you think Strzok was referring to, if not the FBI, when he said "No he won't (become President). We'll stop it."?



Everyone to the left of Mitch Mcconnel. :shrug:

But, I dont feel strongly enough about it to make a stand and defend my position to the nth degree and this isn't the thread for it anyway. 

If, if he meant the FBI, then he terribly overestimated the FBI's ability to do what they want.  If he meant the left, well then he overestimated the electorate like it seems the majority of Americans, and people around the world, did.



I showed you a video of the FBI saying it was their mission to ensure certain people don't become President.  That guy, and now Strzok, seemed to have confidence in the FBI's ability to fulfill that mission (maybe less so now that Trump was able to get in despite their efforts).

I don't see "we" meaning "the left".  Strzok has no control over the left.





People, every day, use the word we to refer to groups over which they have no control.  Sports fans say we when talking about their favorite team; the lowest people on a business's totem pole refer to employees as we; and I've used it when discussing the left, people who hunt ovoids, and all sorts of groups over which I have zero control.

The first guy in your video said something like "when I joined the fbi (long, long ago based upon his apparent age) our mission was....".

He did not say or insinuate that the fbi's current mission is the same IIRC.

You can have the last word, friend.  It's just not as cut and dry as Jimmy makes it out to be, fal...in my opinion.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26460258 - 01/30/20 01:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL!!!! Your post was the source!!! You said they signed statements stating they were bought by Obama:rofl2:



Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic when you said "sounds legit", but you were agreeing that the Obama administration asked them to dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort.




I’m saying the whole claim is a joke. Signing a statement that says you take bribes is like saying “Trust me, I’m a liar.” Either the statements didn’t come from anyone in authority, or they don’t say anything remotely suggesting that Obama bribed them.
Admitting bribery in Ukraine, in the current political climate, is career suicide and guaranteed to be prosecuted.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26460268 - 01/30/20 01:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Signing a statement that says you take bribes is like saying “Trust me, I’m a liar.” Either the statements didn’t come from anyone in authority, or they don’t say anything remotely suggesting that Obama bribed them.
Admitting bribery in Ukraine, in the current political climate, is career suicide and guaranteed to be prosecuted.



The statement had nothing to do with bribery.  They signed a statement saying the Obama administration asked them to dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic] * 1
    #26460283 - 01/30/20 01:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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People, every day, use the word we to refer to groups over which they have no control.  Sports fans say we when talking about their favorite team; the lowest people on a business's totem pole refer to employees as we; and I've used it when discussing the left, people who hunt ovoids, and all sorts of groups over which I have zero control.

The first guy in your video said something like "when I joined the fbi (long, long ago based upon his apparent age) our mission was....".

He did not say or insinuate that the fbi's current mission is the same IIRC.

You can have the last word, friend.  It's just not as cut and dry as Jimmy makes it out to be, fal...in my opinion.



Again, context is key.  Strzok was an FBI agent who when asked if Trump would ever become President responded “No. No he's not. We'll stop it.”  It's certainly possible he meant 'the left', but to me it seems highly unlikely given his position and the context.  :shrug:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26460284 - 01/30/20 01:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Signing a statement that says you take bribes is like saying “Trust me, I’m a liar.” Either the statements didn’t come from anyone in authority, or they don’t say anything remotely suggesting that Obama bribed them.
Admitting bribery in Ukraine, in the current political climate, is career suicide and guaranteed to be prosecuted.



The statement had nothing to do with bribery.  They signed a statement saying the Obama administration asked them to dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort.




Just asking? Offering nothing in return? A favor from the US pres is a bribe.

It would definitely make me rethink what kind of pres Obama was IF it was true.
But why reveal the contents of these statements so vaguely? If it’s classified, he shouldn’t have talked about it on national TV, right? And if it’s not, why not give the statements to the press? This would benefit his client and cripple Democrat’s chances in 2020.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26460288 - 01/30/20 01:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Plus, in 2016, Manafort was being investigated in Ukraine already. He’s one of Yanukovych’s lot.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26460312 - 01/30/20 01:53 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Just asking? Offering nothing in return?



You tell me.  :shrug:  Does a good relationship between our countries count?

I suspect we'll see these documents soon enough.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26460327 - 01/30/20 01:58 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

And I suspect we will never see signed statements - from anyone who is in power in Ukraine - saying Obama asked them to dig up dirt on Obama.

I put that in a full sentence in case you wanna make one of those signature bets I keep hearing about.
I propose a 12-month waiting maximum, but will also accept 2 years.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26460431 - 01/30/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

https://theweek.com/speedreads/892768/senators-break-into-laughter-schiff-points-ironic-difference-between-trumps-legal-defense-doj-arguments
President Trump's impeachment defense team seems to be on a different page than lawyers in the Department of Justice.


Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) noted this disparity while answering questions from senators in Trump's Senate impeachment trial on Thursday. Schiff said that while Trump's legal team argued the House should have gone to court to force witnesses like former National Security Adviser John Bolton to testify via subpoena, Justice Department lawyers were — nearly simultaneously — arguing in a separate case that it's up to Congress to enforce subpoenas through measures like... impeachment.

"You can't make this stuff up," said Schiff. As CNN reports, a DOJ lawyer on Thursday said if the House needs to enforce a subpoena, one of its options is to use its impeachment powers. As a reminder, Trump was impeached on obstruction of Congress after ordering aides to defy subpoenas that would have brought them to the House floor as witnesses. During the court hearing (related to the Trump administration's efforts to change the census, not an impeachment-related hearing), DOJ lawyer James Burnham argued the House can't ask the courts to enforce subpoenas — precisely what Trump's impeachment lawyers are suggesting Democrats should have done. Trump's legal team says Democrats should have fought in court for further witnesses, while Trump administration lawyers say courts have no right to enforce congressional subpoenas.

There were reportedly "audible gasps and laughs" on the Senate floor after Schiff pointed out the comedic timing of the opposing arguments.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26461175 - 01/30/20 10:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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And I suspect we will never see signed statements - from anyone who is in power in Ukraine - saying Obama asked them to dig up dirt on Obama.

I put that in a full sentence in case you wanna make one of those signature bets I keep hearing about.
I propose a 12-month waiting maximum, but will also accept 2 years.



Please clarify "from anyone who is in power in Ukraine".  Does that include anyone who was in power during Obama's time in office?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26461356 - 01/31/20 01:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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HAS ANYONE ONE SEEN THE VIDEO bolton interviewing in august about ukraine?  Its over. :crazybeard:



Never in that video does bolton ever refer to when that call took place. It could be any call in the world. Not necessarily the one reffered to in the impeachment.


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