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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26458785 - 01/29/20 04:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Has it ever been shown, admitted, or proven that Petey-boy was referring to the FBI when he said, "We will stop it"?

I know that's what Jimmy Dore assumes agent Strzok meant, but there is an answer from the source of that text which contradicts Jimmy's assumption.

The title of that video is clickbait and meant to influence viewers' opinions, IMO.  I'm no fbi fanboy by any stretch, but I find the evidence for Jimmy's assertion lacking WRT Peter Strzok's text.



Who do you think Strzok was referring to, if not the FBI, when he said "No he won't (become President). We'll stop it."?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26458789 - 01/29/20 04:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I would also like to note, that just because Giuliani is a lawyer here, that doesn't mean shit in Ukraine




It does when this treaty exists. Thanks Mr clinton.

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf





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What fake news? All you have to do is put 2 and 2 together.

Rudy has the right to be there. Just as you or I could freely travel to ukraine. He also has the right to request a meeting with whomever he pleases. I didn't say that the treaty requires that the Ukraine meet with him or entertain him in any way. But they could if they were so inclined.

The fact that the US pres and the Ukraine pres both ran on promises of uprooting and ending corruption and that they have a legally binding treaty to do so would lead the thinking man to the easy conclusion that they may well WANT to talk with rudy.





Those aren't the same thing.

Not sure where you are going with this. Seems you are moving the goal posts around and hoping for the best.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: christopera]
    #26458791 - 01/29/20 04:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Do you agree or disagree that Giuliani had a right to investigate in Ukraine?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26458878 - 01/29/20 06:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Alan dershowitz is back in trouble again saying that now a quid pro quo is not illegal because of the content of the quid pro quo which doesn't make any sense at all because the content is literally trying to influence an election. Trump reinstated the aid 90 minutes after the news broke in the media. Now that all the Defenders are saying that no first-hand accounts has been given it seems awfully hypocritical and detrimental to the US not to allow a first-hand account from someone actually handling the situation. The only reason John Fulton had to write this book is because he knew without it they wouldn't ever bring him to testify.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26458888 - 01/29/20 06:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan dershowitz is back in trouble again saying that now a quid pro quo is not illegal because of the content of the quid pro quo which doesn't make any sense at all because the content is literally trying to influence an election.



Or the content is literally trying to investigate corruption (if you side with Trump).

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Trump reinstated the aid 90 minutes after the news broke in the media.



Was Trump required to give American aid to Ukraine?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 5
    #26458898 - 01/29/20 06:28 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Failing to disburse lawfully appropriated funds has been considered to be covered under the auspices of "high crimes and misdemeanors" since before the founding of the United States.  What is good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say.

Edit: I forgot to cite any source.  You guys gotta keep me honest.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26458974 - 01/29/20 07:07 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan dershowitz is back in trouble again saying that now a quid pro quo is not illegal because of the content of the quid pro quo which doesn't make any sense at all because the content is literally trying to influence an election.



Or the content is literally trying to investigate corruption (if you side with Trump).

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Trump reinstated the aid 90 minutes after the news broke in the media.



Was Trump required to give American aid to Ukraine?



To be more specific he said if Trump is trying to win an election by digging political dirt on his opponent its not illegal because its in the public interest for him to win. They don't get to decide for all of  America  what's the best public interest when it comes to free elections being rigged. The issue isnt whether he should or shouldnt give aid to a country of course he has the decsion.

This deal  was secretly set up for the express purpose of creating a contingency of giving money to a foreign country and supplying them militarily only if the Ukrainian government pronounced an investigation into the hunter Biden with many corroborating testimonials from Witnesses saying they didn't even need to investigate Hunter Biden they just needed to announce the investigation to meddle in the election. Thank God there's people with consciences somewhere in government to blow the whistle on something WAY worse then Nixon and Clinton or else we would've never been the wiser.

Can we at least agree that John Bolton needs to testify because he has first-hand knowledge and that is one of the main things Trump's defense team has been claiming to want?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26458992 - 01/29/20 07:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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To be more specific he said if Trump is trying to win an election by digging political dirt on his opponent its not illegal because its in the public interest for him to win. They don't get to decide for all of  America  what's the best public interest when it comes to free elections being rigged.



I agree with you, but no one is in jail from the DNC for rigging the Democratic elections for Clinton in 2016.

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Can we at least agree that John Bolton needs to testify because he has first-hand knowledge and that is one of the main things Trump's defense team has been claiming to want?



Sure, but 2/3 of the Senate isn't going to vote Trump out of office for this.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26459057 - 01/29/20 07:56 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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To be more specific he said if Trump is trying to win an election by digging political dirt on his opponent its not illegal because its in the public interest for him to win. They don't get to decide for all of  America  what's the best public interest when it comes to free elections being rigged.



I agree with you, but no one is in jail from the DNC for rigging the Democratic elections for Clinton in 2016.

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Can we at least agree that John Bolton needs to testify because he has first-hand knowledge and that is one of the main things Trump's defense team has been claiming to want?



Sure, but 2/3 of the Senate isn't going to vote Trump out of office for this.



Let's assume that happened, why is it now okay for Trump to do it? If you find that morally rehensible why is it okay for the leader of the free world and our president to do worse then that. This is by far the most egotistical, above the law,sloppiest cover up of such a blatant abuse of trust, power and our political system as a whole.

That's the guy controlling our medical care, Military, nuclear powers and peace talks across the globe. God's sake we went to Israel and Drew up a map expecting hundreds and hundreds of years of war over that exact subject to just end because he drew a map. He does everything he does as a publicity stunt and it's truly ruining the country. Just in my life I've had to see my best friend's son who has a very severe disability from birth having to pay tens of thousands of dollars because there is no medical system replaced for them and anyone else unlucky enough to live with mental problems, disbilities,injuries and the like.

Maybe they won't vote him out but right now I'd settle for the full truth and an honest trial


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 3
    #26459087 - 01/29/20 08:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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To be more specific he said if Trump is trying to win an election by digging political dirt on his opponent its not illegal because its in the public interest for him to win. They don't get to decide for all of  America  what's the best public interest when it comes to free elections being rigged.



I agree with you, but no one is in jail from the DNC for rigging the Democratic elections for Clinton in 2016.

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Can we at least agree that John Bolton needs to testify because he has first-hand knowledge and that is one of the main things Trump's defense team has been claiming to want?



Sure, but 2/3 of the Senate isn't going to vote Trump out of office for this.



Let's assume that happened, why is it now okay for Trump to do it? If you find that morally rehensible why is it okay for the leader of the free world and our president to do worse then that. This is by far the most egotistical, above the law,sloppiest cover up of such a blatant abuse of trust, power and our political system as a whole.

That's the guy controlling our medical care, Military, nuclear powers and peace talks across the globe. God's sake we went to Israel and Drew up a map expecting hundreds and hundreds of years of war over that exact subject to just end because he drew a map. He does everything he does as a publicity stunt and it's truly ruining the country. Just in my life I've had to see my best friend's son who has a very severe disability from birth having to pay tens of thousands of dollars because there is no medical system replaced for them and anyone else unlucky enough to live with mental problems, disbilities,injuries and the like.

Maybe they won't vote him out but right now I'd settle for the full truth and an honest trial




There's no point in getting hysterical over Trump. He doesn't control anything you think he does, he's a puppet just like all US Presidents.

Trump isn't ruining the country either, it's been in a steady state of decline for the bottom 90% for many decades. Trump isn't ruining the health care system either, it was broken for years before he ever entered into the equation.

It's very convenient to just blame the awful state of affairs on one man, but that's just being intellectually lazy and emotional about how the real world really works. It's NOT Trump's fault, it goes much deeper than that, it's not that simple.

Why don't they impeach Trump over war crimes?  They can't because every US President does it.

Why don't they go after members of Congress using their family members to take massive payoffs like Biden?  They can't because it's how the system works and EVERYONE does it.

So enough of cherry picking nonsense with Trump, the WHOLE system is CORRUPT. Trump is nothing compared to the real corruption that exists inside The Establishment.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: christopera] * 2
    #26459110 - 01/29/20 08:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Not sure where you are going with this. Seems you are moving the goal posts around and hoping for the best.




I didn't move any goal posts. I'm not interested in arguing about it. Just stating simple facts.

My only advice to everyone is this, Things are not as they seem. Have you spent countless hours over the last few decades studying and trying to understand who runs the world, how they pull it off and why they are doing it? Unless you can definitively say "yes", I guarantee you're not fully aware of what is currently going on and why. Stay open minded, don't trust the news and above all, honestly pursue the truth.

Big things are coming, my friends. Trump will be acquitted and then the durham report will come out coupled with the declassification of shit that'll blow most folks minds.

If you're truly interested in what's happening now I'd suggest looking into seth rich. Who was he? What caused him to quit? Why was he killed? What does this have to do with Julian Assenge? These are all great questions and have everything to do with what is going on now!

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26459140 - 01/29/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Let's assume that happened, why is it now okay for Trump to do it?



I didn't say it was ok for Trump to do it, I said Trump supporters might look at this as Trump going after corruption.  If you know your opponent is corrupt, you go after it and point it out.

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If you find that morally rehensible why is it okay for the leader of the free world and our president to do worse then that. This is by far the most egotistical, above the law,sloppiest cover up of such a blatant abuse of trust, power and our political system as a whole.



Going after corruption is a lot better than what the DNC did in 2016, which was just plain cheat.

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That's the guy controlling our medical care, Military, nuclear powers and peace talks across the globe. God's sake we went to Israel and Drew up a map expecting hundreds and hundreds of years of war over that exact subject to just end because he drew a map. He does everything he does as a publicity stunt and it's truly ruining the country. Just in my life I've had to see my best friend's son who has a very severe disability from birth having to pay tens of thousands of dollars because there is no medical system replaced for them and anyone else unlucky enough to live with mental problems, disbilities,injuries and the like.



I'm not a Trump fan either.

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Maybe they won't vote him out but right now I'd settle for the full truth and an honest trial



Likely won't happen, because then Biden is out of the race, and he's the establishment's man.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26459192 - 01/29/20 09:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I think the transcripts in the evidence clearly shows that particular conversation has nothing to do with corruption and everything to do with the Ukrainian government announcing an investigation into the Biden's they didn't even have to investigate it.Even his lawyers aren't claiming he was doing this all to root out corruption anymore or even that this wasn't a quid pro quo. John Bolton obviously has first hand knowledge about this and should be able to testify. Some Republican senators agree with this and as said before they don't have the votes to block it.

I think you overestimate Biden's popularity even within the Democratic party, by all accounts he's in 3rd place in most states. If anything the DNCs trying to push Warren on people not Biden. Also Bidens son can be guilty AND Trump secretly orchestrated this to take down a political rival through a quid pro quo bribe.

The difference is the Biden's aren't president trump is and this is plain against the constitution and the law. That's why Nixon went down

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26459296 - 01/29/20 10:24 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like the Republicians might block new witnesses from testifying and want to end the trial this Week. Fuck! https://dailyglobalnew.com/2020/01/republicans-move-to-block-impeachment-witnesses-driving-toward-acquittal/

Looks like the Republicians are about to get the cover-up they always wanted. Totally unfair but thats Partisan Politics for ya. :nonono:

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: christopera]
    #26459455 - 01/30/20 01:50 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Oops, I didn't see this post until now.

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Stop it with the whataboutisms, Obama wasn't impeached. This thread is "Impeachment Hearings Chat", not "But Obama Did it Too."



This isn't about whataboutisms.  Giuliana said he has signed sworn statements from Ukrainian officials who said that they were brought to the Obama White House and told "go did up dirt on Trump and Manafort in January of 2016".  That information is absolutely relevant to the impeachment because if true, then it shows Giuliani/Trump were going after corruption.

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I'm glad you asked about the FBI investigating politicians, because the list is really freaking long, let's remember back to 2016 with one Hillary Clinton. Do you 'member? I 'member.



No I don't remember what they found on an Hillary, an establishment politician.  Can you remind me?

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I wont hold my breath for the curriculum vitae from Giuliani and Trump in regards to their long and storied corruption busting careers.



I just told you what they found.


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    #26459463 - 01/30/20 01:59 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Oh Giuliana said it ?


It must be true.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Big Worm]
    #26459476 - 01/30/20 02:19 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't say it "must" be true.  But no one seems to care if it's true, and Giuliani says he already submitted the evidence.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26459623 - 01/30/20 05:37 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Oops, I didn't see this post until now.

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Stop it with the whataboutisms, Obama wasn't impeached. This thread is "Impeachment Hearings Chat", not "But Obama Did it Too."



This isn't about whataboutisms.  Giuliana said he has signed sworn statements from Ukrainian officials who said that they were brought to the Obama White House and told "go did up dirt on Trump and Manafort in January of 2016".  That information is absolutely relevant to the impeachment because if true, then it shows Giuliani/Trump were going after corruption.

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I'm glad you asked about the FBI investigating politicians, because the list is really freaking long, let's remember back to 2016 with one Hillary Clinton. Do you 'member? I 'member.



No I don't remember what they found on an Hillary, an establishment politician.  Can you remind me?

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I wont hold my breath for the curriculum vitae from Giuliani and Trump in regards to their long and storied corruption busting careers.



I just told you what they found.




Soooo he has signed statements from self-confessed corrupt politicians? Sounds legit.
Btw, thanks to Zelensky, over 80% of Ukraine’s current politicians weren’t in office when Obama was president. And 100% of them can’t get re-elected if they admit being bought by anyone.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26459850 - 01/30/20 08:52 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Has it ever been shown, admitted, or proven that Petey-boy was referring to the FBI when he said, "We will stop it"?

I know that's what Jimmy Dore assumes agent Strzok meant, but there is an answer from the source of that text which contradicts Jimmy's assumption.

The title of that video is clickbait and meant to influence viewers' opinions, IMO.  I'm no fbi fanboy by any stretch, but I find the evidence for Jimmy's assertion lacking WRT Peter Strzok's text.



Who do you think Strzok was referring to, if not the FBI, when he said "No he won't (become President). We'll stop it."?





Everyone to the left of Mitch Mcconnel. :shrug:

But, I dont feel strongly enough about it to make a stand and defend my position to the nth degree and this isn't the thread for it anyway. 

If, if he meant the FBI, then he terribly overestimated the FBI's ability to do what they want.  If he meant the left, well then he overestimated the electorate like it seems the majority of Americans, and people around the world, did.

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