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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26458528 - 01/29/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I never said he’s crazy, though his TV appearances have convinced me that he’s either senile or a moron.

Idk about his “evidence”. If it was evidence of Biden’s corruption, he’s dumb for not taking it to the FBI (or whatever institution handles gov corruption) on the DL. Instead, he might have tipped off the alleged corrupt politician to the fact there’s proof.
On the other hand, if it’s a bunch of BS, he’s dumb for presenting it since it’ll backfire eventually.

My main question though is, how come the president’s “personal lawyer” - who (as per Giuliani’s letter) has nothing to do with the administration or politics - is the one conducting this “investigation”?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: christopera]
    #26458534 - 01/29/20 01:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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christopera said:
Obama wasn't impeached, nor is he on trial. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



The issue is whether Trump/Giuliani was going after corruption or not.  It appears that he was while the FBI was not.

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I wonder what Biden it could doing be if the FBI isn't concerned? It must be super serious if they haven't looked into it.



Do you think the Obama White House telling Ukraine to dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort was serious?

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Should we add investigative reporter to Donnie's title?



Giuliani's doing the investigating.  You can call him whatever makes you happy.

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Do I think Giuliani is crazy? I'm not a health care professional, so it's not my place to speculate.



I'll speculate that he's not.  The media has demonstrated over and over they can play the people like a fiddle.  They say "we think Trump colluded with the Russian Government" and half the country believes it without evidence.  They say "Giuliani is crazy to say he has proof of Biden corruption", and you say "should we add investigative reporter to Donnie's title?"  :flowstone:

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Here's a few of the cases the FBI has solved.

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases

You provide a few from Giuliani or Donald Trump.



How many of those FBI cases involve going after establishment politicians?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26458538 - 01/29/20 01:15 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Oooof, dude. Quite a few of them did.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26458541 - 01/29/20 01:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Literally item 2 on the list:

“ABSCAM

On February 2, 1980, the world learned of our high-level investigation into public corruption and organized crime, infamously code-named ABSCAM.

The unfolding details were riveting: everything from mobsters hocking stolen paintings and fake securities in the Big Apple to politicians peddling influence in the nation's capitol. There were high-ranking government officials caught on tape stuffing wads of bribe money in their pockets and saying things like, "I've got larceny in my blood," “

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26458550 - 01/29/20 01:24 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I never said he’s crazy, though his TV appearances have convinced me that he’s either senile or a moron.



Because you're seeing everything out of context.  Notice what happened when I added the context to the other thread.

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Idk about his “evidence”. If it was evidence of Biden’s corruption, he’s dumb for not taking it to the FBI (or whatever institution handles gov corruption) on the DL. Instead, he might have tipped off the alleged corrupt politician to the fact there’s proof.



He DID submit the evidence!  It's being ignored.

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My main question though is, how come the president’s “personal lawyer” - who (as per Giuliani’s letter) has nothing to do with the administration or politics - is the one conducting this “investigation”?



Because the FBI won't do it.  PLEASE watch the video above I just posted.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26458554 - 01/29/20 01:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Literally item 2 on the list:

“ABSCAM

On February 2, 1980, the world learned of our high-level investigation into public corruption and organized crime, infamously code-named ABSCAM.

The unfolding details were riveting: everything from mobsters hocking stolen paintings and fake securities in the Big Apple to politicians peddling influence in the nation's capitol. There were high-ranking government officials caught on tape stuffing wads of bribe money in their pockets and saying things like, "I've got larceny in my blood," “



I think you're confusing establishment politicians with corrupt Government employees.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26458571 - 01/29/20 01:40 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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christopera said:
Obama wasn't impeached, nor is he on trial. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



The issue is whether Trump/Giuliani was going after corruption or not.  It appears that he was while the FBI was not.

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christopera said:
I wonder what Biden it could doing be if the FBI isn't concerned? It must be super serious if they haven't looked into it.



Do you think the Obama White House telling Ukraine to dig up dirt on Trump and Manafort was serious?

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christopera said:
Should we add investigative reporter to Donnie's title?



Giuliani's doing the investigating.  You can call him whatever makes you happy.

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christopera said:
Do I think Giuliani is crazy? I'm not a health care professional, so it's not my place to speculate.



I'll speculate that he's not.  The media has demonstrated over and over they can play the people like a fiddle.  They say "we think Trump colluded with the Russian Government" and half the country believes it without evidence.  They say "Giuliani is crazy to say he has proof of Biden corruption", and you say "should we add investigative reporter to Donnie's title?"  :flowstone:

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Here's a few of the cases the FBI has solved.

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases

You provide a few from Giuliani or Donald Trump.



How many of those FBI cases involve going after establishment politicians?




Stop it with the whataboutisms, Obama wasn't impeached. This thread is "Impeachment Hearings Chat", not "But Obama Did it Too."

Donnie did a little investigating via phone in the Ukraine did he not? Or was Giuliani involved with that too?

I don't care what you think about Giuliani's health. It's not been a talking point of mine.

I'm glad you asked about the FBI investigating politicians, because the list is really freaking long, let's remember back to 2016 with one Hillary Clinton. Do you 'member? I 'member. But if you wanted to make a case against the FBI, you should be talking about their long term corruption in these cases. That said, I never said the FBI should have taken it up, that was you. You agree'd, they could care less about Hunter Biden. Personally if I were going to investigate corruption I'd be calling the IRS.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/26/580677742/the-massive-case-of-collective-amnesia-the-fbi-has-been-political-from-the-start

I wont hold my breath for the curriculum vitae from Giuliani and Trump in regards to their long and storied corruption busting careers.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26458604 - 01/29/20 02:20 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Rudy G has every right to go to any country in search of exculpatory evidence to exonerate his client. That's what lawyers do. He was in Ukraine asking about multiple things that have everything to do with Crossfire Hurricane, The Mueller report and the impeachment articles. The Argument that rudy shouldn't be doing that is completely laughable and anyone who's been paying attention should be able to see that.

Rudy is doing what he is being legally payed to do.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26458618 - 01/29/20 02:30 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I never he said he shouldn’t be doing what he was doing.

Indeed. He was doing what he got paid to do.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: christopera]
    #26458632 - 01/29/20 02:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You asked why. So i told you.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26458649 - 01/29/20 02:53 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I asked why? Where at? Can you show me? What client is he trying to exonerate? Who committed the crime?

I would also like to note, that just because Giuliani is a lawyer here, that doesn't mean shit in Ukraine. Unless of course the white house was pulling strings? Who knows? Giuliani also doesn't speak Ukranian, he was probably hot on a few trails. I bet he's good a sleuth. Him and Carmen Sandiego should team up.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26458663 - 01/29/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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My main question though is, how come the president’s “personal lawyer” - who (as per Giuliani’s letter) has nothing to do with the administration or politics - is the one conducting this “investigation”?




Oops. It wasn't you. Sorry for the misinfo there. I was wrong.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26458673 - 01/29/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I would also like to note, that just because Giuliani is a lawyer here, that doesn't mean shit in Ukraine




It does when this treaty exists. Thanks Mr clinton.

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26458716 - 01/29/20 03:39 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Rudy G has every right to go to any country in search of exculpatory evidence to exonerate his client. That's what lawyers do. He was in Ukraine asking about multiple things that have everything to do with Crossfire Hurricane, The Mueller report and the impeachment articles. The Argument that rudy shouldn't be doing that is completely laughable and anyone who's been paying attention should be able to see that.

Rudy is doing what he is being legally payed to do.




But he says he isn’t associated with the administration. Rudy said this. Wrote it, in fact, in a letter to Ukraine’s President.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26458719 - 01/29/20 03:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26458733 - 01/29/20 03:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Who would that be?  The same organization that says it's the their (the FBI's) mission "to try and keep these people (progressives and self described socialists) out of Government"?


The above is a "must watch" video if you haven't seen it already.




Has it ever been shown, admitted, or proven that Petey-boy was referring to the FBI when he said, "We will stop it"?

I know that's what Jimmy Dore assumes agent Strzok meant, but there is an answer from the source of that text which contradicts Jimmy's assumption.

The title of that video is clickbait and meant to influence viewers' opinions, IMO.  I'm no fbi fanboy by any stretch, but I find the evidence for Jimmy's assertion lacking WRT Peter Strzok's text.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26458734 - 01/29/20 03:47 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

And that is very true. there are a lot of possibilities and i don't pretend to know every possible variation of what could be going on. He has the right to meet up with however he wants as a private citizen while representing the president.

It must not be looked over that ukraine itself has announced MAJOR corruption problems and even elected a pres who ran on the basis of promising to root it out. Durham may well be over there officially representing the US while rudy was there representing Trump privately.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: verum subsequentis] * 2
    #26458740 - 01/29/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I would also like to note, that just because Giuliani is a lawyer here, that doesn't mean shit in Ukraine




It does when this treaty exists. Thanks Mr clinton.

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf




That doesn't have any implications on whether Giuiliani is a lawyer in Ukraine. He's not. All the treaty says that the two countries have to cooperate in law enforcement matters through a central agency. It doesn't give you the power to call the Ukranian president either, there's a central agency for that. You got to lay off the fake news bro.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26458744 - 01/29/20 04:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is the wrong place to discuss this, my fault.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26458749 - 01/29/20 04:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

What fake news? All you have to do is put 2 and 2 together.

Rudy has the right to be there. Just as you or I could freely travel to ukraine. He also has the right to request a meeting with whomever he pleases. I didn't say that the treaty requires that the Ukraine meet with him or entertain him in any way. But they could if they were so inclined.

The fact that the US pres and the Ukraine pres both ran on promises of uprooting and ending corruption and that they have a legally binding treaty to do so would lead the thinking man to the easy conclusion that they may well WANT to talk with rudy.

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