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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman] * 1
    #26455762 - 01/27/20 06:40 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

The "voter doesnt matter" only when those voters accept lies upon lies upon lies from everyone, starting with their local and state reps to their congressional and executive representatives.

I've been saying for years on this board that if the electorate starts holding politicians' feet to the fire, things will indeed change.

But if we all look past transgressions both small and large in support of our affiliated party or in the name of 'there's nothing we can do because people have accepted this bullshit for 70 years' then yeah, nothing will change and the little people will continue presenting their necks for their overlords' boots.

Everyone who says that nothing can change because every politician lies is complicit in perpetuating the bullshit status quo and, frankly, deserves to lick boot heel.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26455795 - 01/27/20 07:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Elaborate on how the "electorate starts holding politicians' feet to the fire".

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman] * 4
    #26455813 - 01/27/20 07:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

maybe an impeachment here or there.
vote out a few incumbents.
general strike
burn some shit down

those are a few options off the top of my head


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26455889 - 01/27/20 07:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
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Bolton has said he would testify if subpoenaed, while Trump has signaled he’ll attempt to block such testimony by citing executive privilege.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-team-ignores-bolton-says-aid-not-tied-impeachment-update/ar-BBZmNLc?ocid=spartanntp

Oh shit! Trump is about to pull out his Trump Card! :popcorn:





What about that is his trump card?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman]
    #26455959 - 01/27/20 08:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

It's not rocket surgery.

Balls took the words out of my fingers.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26455978 - 01/27/20 08:30 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

There is no excuse for Congress having a ~15-30% approval rating and being retained by the electorate. 

The vote isn't rigged, the system doesn't preclude members of congress being removed when their term is up, and the people do have the power...they just, by and large, refuse to grab the reigns and whip that fucking horse until it gets in line.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26455982 - 01/27/20 08:34 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Here's one of Trump's top legal defenses Alan dershowitz saying during the Clinton impeachment that specifically it doesn't have to be a crime to be impeached but a breach of trust of the American people in part it's a really interesting thing that he's arguing the exact opposite during impeachment. Worth a watch


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26456050 - 01/27/20 09:24 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Executive Privilege is Trump's Trump Card to block the Democrats and preventing evidence from ending up in the Senate.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26456429 - 01/28/20 08:10 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bolton-was-concerned-that-trump-did-favors-for-autocratic-leaders-book-says/ar-BBZnPN5?ocid=spartandhp

Regardless of whether Bolton testifies, and what he does or does not say, his book is climbing up the bestseller's list.

  The Democrats were trying this case in the court of public opinion as much as anywhere else anyway.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26456434 - 01/28/20 08:19 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bolton-was-concerned-that-trump-did-favors-for-autocratic-leaders-book-says/ar-BBZnPN5?ocid=spartandhp

Regardless of whether Bolton testifies, and what he does or does not say, his book is climbing up the bestseller's list.

  The Democrats were trying this case in the court of public opinion as much as anywhere else anyway.




Another "book deal"?  Yeah, I'm sure the public is going to run out and buy Bolton's book. :lol:

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman] * 2
    #26456454 - 01/28/20 08:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
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Brian Jones said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bolton-was-concerned-that-trump-did-favors-for-autocratic-leaders-book-says/ar-BBZnPN5?ocid=spartandhp

Regardless of whether Bolton testifies, and what he does or does not say, his book is climbing up the bestseller's list.

  The Democrats were trying this case in the court of public opinion as much as anywhere else anyway.




Another "book deal"?  Yeah, I'm sure the public is going to run out and buy Bolton's book. :lol:




What part are you laughing at; that the public will run out and buy it or that they won't? Either way it promises to be a much better read than the one by Michael Wolffe, which just seemed to be a cash grab by someone who didn't really have inside information.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Brian Jones] * 5
    #26456478 - 01/28/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Watch Trump start tweeting he barely knew Bolton lol
“I have the best people.” ...”Dirty demented liars like Omarosa, Sean Spicer, H.R. McMaster, Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, John Kelly, Reince Preibus....”

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26456597 - 01/28/20 10:35 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Is that last sentence a quote or a paraphrase, feldman?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic]
    #26456606 - 01/28/20 10:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Not a quote, but close enough to what he actually says that you’re not sure if it’s a quote lol

I bet I could dig up an insulting tweet about each of those people

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26456693 - 01/28/20 11:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Im gonna guess hes not gonna say "I dont know Bolton" because Bolton was National Security Advisor for Trump and there are multiple recent photos of them together. Its too obvious at this point that Bolton was close to Trump due to his role at the White House.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26456706 - 01/28/20 11:49 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i like how republicans are pretending this isnt a politicized show

They were just conflating shit that happened 250 years ago to all the layers of corruption with this event. Saying small shit that george washington and abraham lincoln did was comparable to this. Trump is literally selling our country to the highest bidder. And abe and george were fighting domestic wars.

If they were smart they would find an angle to contrast this against nixon, instead of completely ignoring it.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26456721 - 01/28/20 11:59 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Im gonna guess hes not gonna say "I dont know Bolton" because Bolton was National Security Advisor for Trump and there are multiple recent photos of them together. Its too obvious at this point that Bolton was close to Trump due to his role at the White House.




While what you said made absolute sense, we have to remember who Trump has claimed not to know. If you can "not know" your campaign manager you can "not know" your National Security Advisor. Trump ran on lying, governed on lying and has a reasonable level of support from a public who knows he's lying, plus some actual morons who don't factor into this discussion.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26456753 - 01/28/20 12:27 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, definitely (re: both points in your reply)

Ps:  maybe not Flynn?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: relic] * 1
    #26457393 - 01/28/20 06:33 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Saw this on the top of the drudge report a few minutes ago.

MCCONNELL DOESN'T HAVE VOTES TO BLOCK WITNESSES

Looks like things are going into a snowballing tail spin for Mr. Trump the last two weeks.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: R.I.P.Zappa] * 1
    #26457657 - 01/28/20 09:07 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

No way there is a super majority to remove. The longer the circus, the longer Dem senators running for prez remain idle.


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