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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
#26434875 - 01/15/20 12:49 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump can and probably does have multiple motivations for wanting to investigate Biden, but some of them are corrupt. A partially corrupt use of his office is still a corrupt use. The fact that there may be legitimate reasons for an investigation are irrelevant to the question of whether he had corrupt motives.
If you collect money for a charity because you want to help the cause but you also skim 10% for yourself, you don’t get to say “well, 90% of my effort was in good faith.” You still broke the law.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
#26434960 - 01/15/20 01:29 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Is it because we don't think Biden is corrupt, or because Trump's only motivation is political gain?
Both are true. Again, it goes back to the question of whether Trump should be allowed to go after corruption, even if it's for political gain. The deep state won't help him.
I see your point, but, if both of those things are true, I think Trump committed an impeachable offense.
And I see your point as well. I guess by law, Congress gets to decide.
I'm just pointing (and I realize you agree) that Biden has been shown to be very corrupt, but some people just don't want to hear it.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26434963 - 01/15/20 01:30 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Replace "Democrats" with "establishment politicians".
Do you have any proof of this?

That’s not an answer. Just give us one example of a blocked Biden investigation.
Is Biden being investigated, or does the establishment not care?
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Trump is the president. Has he tried to set up a legitimate investigation of him? I honestly don't know the answer to that.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: JohnRainy]
#26434979 - 01/15/20 01:35 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know either, but I think it's fair to say the establishment has no interest in taking down their leading Presidential candidate.
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Trump is established as president. If he really wanted to do something about this, he could.
Blame the establishment when Trump holds the most established position in the whole country. He is the establishment now.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: JohnRainy]
#26435007 - 01/15/20 01:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think Trump knows the establishment Congress and establishment media will cut him a little slack if he takes their side on things like supporting the military industrial complex. But I don't think he's an 'establishment' president.
I hope others weigh in on this.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't know either, but I think it's fair to say the establishment has no interest in taking down their leading Presidential candidate.
What’s the evidence a crime occurred? Law enforcement doesn’t investigate without a reason.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26435070 - 01/15/20 02:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fal, name 1 presidential candidate who is not corrupt, in your opinion.
Biden isn’t some righteous hero...but compared to Trump, he’s a pup.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I think Trump knows the establishment Congress and establishment media will cut him a little slack if he takes their side on things like supporting the military industrial complex. But I don't think he's an 'establishment' president.
I hope others weigh in on this.
It depends on the sense of the word. He's not what you normally call establishment, but, he is in a seat of established power.
It doesn't matter what is meant by the word establishment here anyways. He's the president. He can push for investigations if he wants to.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26435073 - 01/15/20 02:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What’s the evidence a crime occurred? Law enforcement doesn’t investigate without a reason.
I don't know. But Trump says he's got something. Didn't he say he was concerned about corruption? He must have something to base that on. Initiate the investigation from there.
Wouldn't surprise me one little bit to find out that Joe Biden muscled his way into getting his brat kid a fake job at the expense of a weaker world power. I'd be surprised if that didn't happen.
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Brian Jones said: Is it because we don't think Biden is corrupt, or because Trump's only motivation is political gain?
Both are true. Again, it goes back to the question of whether Trump should be allowed to go after corruption, even if it's for political gain. The deep state won't help him.
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You're more informed than most. Not everyone here feels that way.
Im pretty sure most here feel that way. I havent seen one Biden supporter on here. And everyone knows there was corruption in the Obama admin. It's just the legal kind. All kinds of forms of bribery and oligarchism are legal in the US.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
#26435148 - 01/15/20 03:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: Fal, name 1 presidential candidate who is not corrupt, in your opinion.
How about two? Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: JohnRainy]
#26435160 - 01/15/20 03:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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JohnRainy said: He's not what you normally call establishment, but, he is in a seat of established power.
There's a HUGE difference between the two. An establishment candidate is one who does everything they can to help the wealthy. I realize Trump is doing a lot of that too, and that's why the establishment media concentrates on other areas, so Trump can sneak those things through while no one pays attention.
The video I posted on UkraineGate should be big news, but no one cares because the establishment media chooses to ignore it.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c530708e4b093663f5bfa69/amp Just the first thing that came up. I’m sure enough research will yield a dozen instances of her lying and accepting lobbyists’ money, cause that’s just politics. That was my point - the game can’t be played fairly. If you’re a player, you’re a crook to some extent.
Didn’t expect you to pull the Bern on me lol. Not gonna shit on my guy with anything specific, but there’s been sketchy stories...none proven...but neither was Biden’s alleged misconduct 🤷🏻♂️
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JohnRainy said: He's not what you normally call establishment, but, he is in a seat of established power.
There's a HUGE difference between the two. An establishment candidate is one who does everything they can to help the wealthy. I realize Trump is doing a lot of that too, and that's why the establishment media concentrates on other areas, so Trump can sneak those things through while no one pays attention.
The video I posted on UkraineGate should be big news, but no one cares because the establishment media chooses to ignore it.
I'm waiting for the MSM and Democrats to rip apart the shitty trade deals Trump is passing.
No, they'll ignore it and focus on a baseless political witch hunt. It's all a game guys, don't fall for it.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
#26435264 - 01/15/20 04:19 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c530708e4b093663f5bfa69/amp Just the first thing that came up. I’m sure enough research will yield a dozen instances of her lying
Your article said: "The congresswoman said in May 2017 that she had recently stopped accepting money from the defense industry and would no longer accept political action committee largesse." And what did she lie about?
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman]
#26435323 - 01/15/20 04:59 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bernie is opposed to shitty trade deals
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
#26435382 - 01/15/20 05:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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She said she opposes an industry that she took money from🤷🏻♂️
Don’t have anything against her really. But I doubt she (or anyone else) managed to rise in politics by sticking to her principles and being honest.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: ballsalsa]
#26435385 - 01/15/20 05:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any recent comments or specifics from Bernie on what's occurring?
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