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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26388886 - 12/18/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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That’s fine if you don’t think governance should be a serious matter.



Just because someone does things differently doesn't mean they're not serious.  Again, I don't like Trump, but not because of his tweets or non-standard writing style.

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I get it. As it becomes clearer by the day that trump bends to the will of Russia, you have to now defend him even though you claim to hate him.



How is it becoming clearer by the day that Trump bends to the will of Russia?  Do you mean if Russia wants peace then Trump has to want war or he's bending to the will of Russia?  Or what do you mean exactly?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26388891 - 12/18/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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What has he done to address the accusation that he held a piece of his country hostage for his own personal games?

Threatening to withhold that military capital was contrary to the interests of the United States.



When Obama didn't supply military aid to Ukraine no one complained.  But when Trump even talked about withholding military aid, it's suddenly contrary to the interests of the US?

That's a heck of a double standard if you ask me.  :shrug:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman]
    #26388893 - 12/18/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Every fucking turn he’s fighting for Russia. Its so fucking obvious.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-administration-battles-new-sanctions-on-russia

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The Trump administration is quietly fighting a new package of sanctions on Russia, The Daily Beast has learned. A Trump State Department official sent a 22-page letter to a top Senate chairman on Tuesday making a wide-ranging case against a new sanctions bill.

Sen. Lindsey Graham—usually a staunch ally of the White House—introduced the legislation earlier this year. It’s designed to punish Russian individuals and companies over the Kremlin’s targeting of Ukraine, as well as its 2016 election interference in the U.S., its activities in Syria, and its attacks on dissidents.




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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26388897 - 12/18/19 02:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Ah, I was right.  Trump wants to better relations with Russia, but anyone with TDS says we need to be mortal enemies to spite him.  Got it.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26388899 - 12/18/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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What has he done to address the accusation that he held a piece of his country hostage for his own personal games?

Threatening to withhold that military capital was contrary to the interests of the United States.



When Obama didn't supply military aid to Ukraine no one complained.  But when Trump even talked about withholding military aid, it's suddenly contrary to the interests of the US?

That's a heck of a double standard if you ask me.  :shrug:




Military aid is not supplied by Obama, nor Trump nor any president. The congress allocates military aid  and the president executes it’s distrubution through relevant agencies.

Funny how you ignore the billion dollar loan guarantee you keep citing that Biden never actually held up.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26388921 - 12/18/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm watching Schiff's speech...  He quite the drama queen.  It makes it sound as if its the end of the United States.




Nobody is a bigger drama queen than Donald Trump. I think he’s tweeted nearly 100 times today.



Hey Pat, remember when I told you three years ago trump would be impeached :smug:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26388930 - 12/18/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Ah, I was right.  Trump wants to better relations with Russia, but anyone with TDS says we need to be mortal enemies to spite him.  Got it.




Russia should not be allowed to simply get away with its attacks on this country and our allies.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26388937 - 12/18/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Obama withheld lethal weapons in accordance with US policy which he as president had an enormous role in formulating.

Trump contradicted already formulated US policy in an attempt to influence the 2020 election.

Both things involve military aid to Ukraine.  But the similarities end there.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26388950 - 12/18/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Trump did not have the right to withhold that aid. He had a duty to distribute it. He had no legal discretion in the matter. He had no intention of releasing the money until he got what he wanted. I don’t think he ever wanted to release it. All he had to do was wait until the end of September and the fiscal year and that money would have vanished.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26388976 - 12/18/19 03:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Ah, I was right.  Trump wants to better relations with Russia, but anyone with TDS says we need to be mortal enemies to spite him.  Got it.




Russia should not be allowed to simply get away with its attacks on this country and our allies.




War?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Patlal]
    #26388983 - 12/18/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Wat? We’ve been adversaries with Russia for 80 years and we never went to war. We can stand up for ourselves without starting one.

Talk about being a drama queen


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26388985 - 12/18/19 03:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Military aid is not supplied by Obama, nor Trump nor any president. The congress allocates military aid  and the president executes it’s distrubution through relevant agencies.



Well no lethal military aid was provided to Ukraine under Obama.  Now there's a double standard for Trump.

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Funny how you ignore the billion dollar loan guarantee you keep citing that Biden never actually held up.



Actually, that WAS a quid pro quo because the Ukrainian prosecutor DID get fired.

Ukraine got aid from Trump without giving anything in return.

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Russia should not be allowed to simply get away with its attacks on this country and our allies.



"Attacks"?!?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26388989 - 12/18/19 03:37 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

So you're saying that something is only illegal if the crime goes through? Like lets say for instance a mob boss is asking for someone to whack someone. By your logic they cant be in trouble for asking for putting out the hit unless the hit actually happens?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26389016 - 12/18/19 03:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Well no lethal military aid was provided to Ukraine under Obama.  Now there's a double standard for Trump




🤦‍♂️

Congress decides who gets aid.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26389037 - 12/18/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The republicans have not managed their debate time well, and now their members who want to speak are limited to 30 seconds and the last drama queen was not happy.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26389038 - 12/18/19 04:00 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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So you're saying that something is only illegal if the crime goes through? Like lets say for instance a mob boss is asking for someone to whack someone. By your logic they cant be in trouble for asking for putting out the hit unless the hit actually happens?



No.  I'm saying there's a double standard.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26389047 - 12/18/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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So you're saying that something is only illegal if the crime goes through? Like lets say for instance a mob boss is asking for someone to whack someone. By your logic they cant be in trouble for asking for putting out the hit unless the hit actually happens?



No.  I'm saying there's a double standard.




No the Biden quid pro quo was part of official US policy. Republican senators supported the demand that the prosecutor be fired.

Donald’s quid pro quo taxpayer funded aid was leveraged by Trump for his own personal benefit.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26389052 - 12/18/19 04:09 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Every witness who has testified in the impeachment hearings says Trump violated his oath of office and abused his power. Their stories all support each other.

The only people who say otherwise refuse to testify.

The only way to not support impeachment and removal at this point is to willfully choose to be an ignorant fool.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26389062 - 12/18/19 04:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I can understand someone concluding that what trump did does not meet the standard for impeachment, but it is totally unreasonable to say he did nothing wrong.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26389066 - 12/18/19 04:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Omg this is hilarious watching these enraged republicans try to get their rants done in 30 seconds


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