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Brian Jones
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OK. I couldn't find that searching. She's definitely right that some Democrats think there's no other way to get rid of Trump.
I don't think we know yet what political effect this has had. Most commentary has been from the already decided on each side.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Brian Jones]
#26348100 - 11/27/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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we just need gun control and then a civil war so only the sane ppl are armed
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Stable Genius said: Ok, so there is Fiona Hill's impeccable English version
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“The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016. This is the public conclusion of our intelligence agencies, confirmed in bipartisan Congressional reports. It is beyond dispute, even if some of the underlying details must remain classified.
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the version from obviously disgruntled unbiased cool headed Ray McGovern, because he can read between the lines? Ummm knows code for 'bullshit'? What exactly is Ray's reasoning again Falcon?
Her "impeccable" version is that "the underlying details must remain classified"???
That's the same 'impeccability' that we got from Russia-gate. We were always told the details are classified (koods can attest to how often he used that argument). In the end Russia-gate turned out to be a hoax.
Let's be VERY clear here about the current situation. Ray did NOT say that it wasn't Russia. He said there is no proof that it was, and that's a very reasonable position (the same position I took on Russia-gate three years ago).
I think the problem with this whole debate is that you and koods are both make believing that by asking for evidence, Ray is insisting it wasn't Russia, but in fact what he's saying is that we don't know until we see the proof.
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That's the same 'impeccability' that we got from Russia-gate. We were always told the details are classified (koods can attest to how often he used that argument). In the end Russia-gate turned out to be a hoax.
Dozens of indictments doesn’t equal a hoax. You’re delusional
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26348316 - 11/27/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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But keep on bringing up the guy who seems to make his living speaking to 9/11 truthers. It’s a good look for you. At least you’re not trying to appear like a serious person anymore.
You should post some more jimmy dore videos, serious guy.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26348331 - 11/27/19 11:02 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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think the problem with this whole debate is that you and koods are both make believing that by asking for evidence, Ray is insisting it wasn't Russia, but in fact what he's saying is that we don't know until we see the proof
I showed you proof. From Putin’s own mouth.
Your problem is you just refuse to acknowledge evidence when it goes against your narrative. I think everyone see this now.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26348338 - 11/27/19 11:06 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: Dozens of indictments doesn’t equal a hoax. You’re delusional
There was an indictment for Trump-Putin collusion?!?!? Let's see it! 
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koods said: But keep on bringing up the guy who seems to make his living speaking to 9/11 truthers. It’s a good look for you. At least you’re not trying to appear like a serious person anymore.
So questions are a bad thing? You're only reinforcing your position as king of make believe.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26348339 - 11/27/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I showed you proof. From Putin’s own mouth.
Source, or make believe?
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods] 1
#26348397 - 11/27/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said:
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think the problem with this whole debate is that you and koods are both make believing that by asking for evidence, Ray is insisting it wasn't Russia, but in fact what he's saying is that we don't know until we see the proof
I showed you proof. From Putin’s own mouth.
Your problem is you just refuse to acknowledge evidence when it goes against your narrative. I think everyone see this now.
There is no proof of Trump working with Russia to help him win the 2016 Election (via facebook ads lol) at all. Koods, you need to puke up that pill the media shoved down your throat buddy.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: meltdowner]
#26348433 - 11/27/19 12:03 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26348446 - 11/27/19 12:08 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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And Russia didn't deliver. No collusion.
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Putin’s unpaid press secretary speaks
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: meltdowner] 1
#26348458 - 11/27/19 12:13 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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How can there be an indictment for collusion? That’s not a criminal charge.
When the FBI, NSA and CIA agree on something, the president should take it as a given, not tweet that it’s “fake news”. That’s just part of the job. Regardless of what you believe about Russia, Trump is not acting in the interest of the US. He destabilized US foreign efforts, turned our allies against us, made a mockery of the office and destroyed public trust in the system (yes, most people used to trust gov institutions). ...it just so happens that these have been Putin’s goals for a decade now. Coincidence? Because US gov is corrupt but Russian gov is honest?🤣 You jump on every conspiracy theory in the US, but not this?
How can an American support a president who doesn’t have national interest in mind? I really don’t get it.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
#26348512 - 11/27/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trump surrendered US bases to Russia.
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
#26348557 - 11/27/19 12:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: How can there be an indictment for collusion? That’s not a criminal charge.
Koods was the one talking about indictments when I said there's no evidence of Trump-Putin collusion.
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feldman114 said: When the FBI, NSA and CIA agree on something, the president should take it as a given, not tweet that it’s “fake news”. That’s just part of the job.
Trump turned out to be right. 
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feldman114 said: Regardless of what you believe about Russia, Trump is not acting in the interest of the US. He destabilized US foreign efforts, turned our allies against us, made a mockery of the office and destroyed public trust in the system (yes, most people used to trust gov institutions).
We've lost trust in the Government because we've been lied to over and over again. Is your position that you like to be ignorant?
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feldman114 said: ...it just so happens that these have been Putin’s goals for a decade now. Coincidence? Because US gov is corrupt but Russian gov is honest?🤣
You're never specific with your posts. What has been Putin's goals for a decade?
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feldman114 said: You jump on every conspiracy theory in the US, but not this?
You're never specific with your posts. What conspiracy theory have I jumped on? Asking questions about what the truth is isn't a conspiracy theory.
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feldman114 said: How can an American support a president who doesn’t have national interest in mind? I really don’t get it.
You're never specific with your posts. What are you talking about here?
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26348568 - 11/27/19 12:55 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Trump surrendered US bases to Russia.

Do you really believe we had a right to build bases in foreign countries without their permission? Nevermimd, I know your answer.
Liberals have become the party of war and regime change.
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Funny how your principles fall to the wayside when it comes to turkey and having troops in a foreign territory. Really the only consistency in your argument is when it comes to supporting russian interests
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Stable Genius said: Dozens of indictments doesn’t equal a hoax. You’re delusional
Did I say that? I honestly don't recall saying that.
I think it's obvious Ray McGovern did himself a huge dis-service ranting about Dick Cheney.
Don't you think it's odd that I picked that guy out? BOOM straight away, after 10+ years as soon as I saw him I knew that was the guy that fingered the U.S. government as being complicit in that heinous act, and at the time I took his word as credible. Our slander and defamation laws are different here, I thought, this guy must know something.
But he has yet to not only prove his statement, his statement was purposely cut from subsequent remakes of the movie. I know, I watched about 10 of them trying to find him the other day and can tell you how hot thermite burns in French now. You owe me Falcon.
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Lol I ended up watching one of them in its entirety
Kinda a wasted effort. A simple search on YouTube brings up dozens of videos of McGovern giving lectures to 9/11 truth conferences
I didnt bring this up earlier but the whole premise of McGovern statements in Loose change are factually impossible. The pentagon was hit at 9:38. The fighter scrambled to DC wouldn’t reach the area for another 10 minutes. I personally remember not hearing any fighters until after 10
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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
#26348673 - 11/27/19 01:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Far out... My cousin was working in Manhatten that day and my aunties plane got rerouted to Canada. Yes I was surprised to see so many videos of Ray McGovern. Looks like he means well but
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