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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26346869 - 11/26/19 02:08 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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He said he thought Dick Cheney would be capable of allowing an airliner not to get shot down, he NEVER accused Dick Cheney of being behind 9/11.




Yep. That’s the core of LIHOP (let it happen on purpose). The government knew about the attacks but let them happen so the event could be used to invade Iraq.

This is why it’s futile to debate with you. Even when someone proves their point beyond a shadow of a doubt, you still can’t accept the truth.



Are you make believing that Ray McGovern thought Dick Cheney had prior knowledge of the attacks?  Where did he say that?

He said Dick Cheney knew about the plane approaching the Pentagon, and never ordered an evacuation nor had it shot down.  We KNOW that's true.  And Ray was that questioning why.




Yes, he said Cheney knew about the attack (in this case on the pentagon) and suggested he had the power to stop it and he chose not to. That is LIHOP. let it happen on purpose.

He was pushing a 9/11 conspiracy theory. We both saw the video. This isn’t debatable.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346884 - 11/26/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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he said Cheney knew about the attack (in this case on the pentagon) and suggested he had the power to stop it and he chose not to. That is LIHOP. let it happen on purpose.



Are you saying Cheney didn't know the plane was flying towards the pentagon, and that Norman Mineta was lying about that?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26346890 - 11/26/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

YOU GUYS ARE ARGUING OVER 9/11 STILL!?

lmfao. daaaaaaang; if someone still thinks that 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy of the enemy there's 0-chance anything is going to convince them otherwise.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: dreamachine]
    #26346893 - 11/26/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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YOU GUYS ARE ARGUING OVER 9/11 STILL!?

lmfao. daaaaaaang; if someone still thinks that 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy of the enemy there's 0-chance anything is going to convince them otherwise.



Nobody thinks that.  I don't think you've been paying close attention to this thread.

The question by Ray McGovern is why didn't Cheney issue a waring when he knew a plane was approaching or why didn't he shoot the plane down?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26346894 - 11/26/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

my bad, you guys are just arguing over the specifics of who knew about it then?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: dreamachine]
    #26346900 - 11/26/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Right.  The question by Ray McGovern was why didn't Cheney issue a waring when he knew a plane was approaching or why didn't he shoot the plane down?

Ray actually said it might be negligence or not knowing what to do, but he questioned why it was never questioned.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: dreamachine]
    #26346910 - 11/26/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The point of this whole discussion was whether or not Ray McGovern was right to question Fiona Hill's lack of evidence.

Koods and Stable Genius were saying it was wrong because Ray is a crazy conspiracy theorist.  I was arguing against that.

Hell, even if Ray McGovern was a crazy conspiracy theorist, I'd still say he was right to question a lack of evidence, and mayb this whole discussion about him was rather silly.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26346924 - 11/26/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Ah I see. Let me just say that Fiona Hill is an author at The Globalist. Case and point.

https://www.theglobalist.com/contributors/fiona-hill/


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26346926 - 11/26/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Ray McGovern pushed a 9/11 conspiracy theory in the granddaddy of all 9/11 conspiracy theory videos. It doesn’t matter if he phrased it in the form of a question. That’s it. You asked us why McGovern’s credibility should be questioned. I said it’s because he pushed 9/11 conspiracy theories. You asked me to prove it. I did. There’s nothing left to argue about on this point.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: dreamachine]
    #26346938 - 11/26/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Ah I see. Let me just say that Fiona Hill is an author at The Globalist. Case and point.

https://www.theglobalist.com/contributors/fiona-hill/




What case is that?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346941 - 11/26/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

That she's a globalist; i.e. she's an enemy of the nation and the masses; and is a NWO operative; plus she worked for George Soros as well if i'm not mistaken.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346949 - 11/26/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

No.  Alex Jones pushed a 9/11 conspiracy theory and used a clip by Ray McGovern to try and bolster his own stupid argument.  Ray was very careful to say we shouldn't cherry pick facts and that this could just be negligence.

You don't get to make believe what Ray was thinking because you're very bad at make believing what people you don't like think.


Regardless, Ray's original point was that we haven't seen proof that Russia was behind Ukraine-gate.  Has it been shown otherwise, or was he correct?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26346957 - 11/26/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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as we all know, during the presidential campaign in the United States, the Ukrainian government adopted a unilateral position in favour of one candidate. More than that, certain oligarchs, certainly with the approval of the political leadership, funded this candidate, or female candidate, to be more precise.




- Vlad Putin


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #26346960 - 11/26/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that quote is in relation to Ukraine 'aiding' Hillary Clinton's campaign isn't it?

I could be wrong...


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: dreamachine]
    #26346961 - 11/26/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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That she's a globalist; i.e. she's an enemy of the nation and the masses; and is a NWO operative; plus she worked for George Soros as well if i'm not mistaken.




No chemtrails?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: dreamachine]
    #26346965 - 11/26/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure that quote is in relation to Ukraine 'aiding' Hillary Clinton's campaign isn't it?

I could be wrong...




Yes. That is what we are talking about.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346990 - 11/26/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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That she's a globalist; i.e. she's an enemy of the nation and the masses; and is a NWO operative; plus she worked for George Soros as well if i'm not mistaken.




No chemtrails?



You do know about SAI right? Stratospheric Aerosol Injections. Some big hot shot talked about it openly at the CFR. Also a bunch of news publications have been releasing articles about how we need to spray the atmosphere with metals in order to reduce the amount of solar radiation that penetrates so we can reduce global warming...

Animatrix talked about that a decade ago. lmao


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346996 - 11/26/19 03:36 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Ray's original point was that we haven't seen proof that Russia was behind Ukraine-gate.  Has it been shown otherwise, or was he correct?



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as we all know, during the presidential campaign in the United States, the Ukrainian government adopted a unilateral position in favour of one candidate. More than that, certain oligarchs, certainly with the approval of the political leadership, funded this candidate, or female candidate, to be more precise.




- Vlad Putin



And when did Putin say this?  On 2 Feb 17?

And when did the New York Times report talk about the black ledger leak?  14 Aug 2016?

Yet somehow Putin is the one behind the story?  :flowstone:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26347011 - 11/26/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

You mean the information from the Ukrainian anti-corruption prosecutor who discovered that Paul
manafort was paid millions under the table by the campaign of the previous president of Ukraine. Information that led to the conviction of Paul Manafort. What about it?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26347034 - 11/26/19 03:56 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

How was that Putin's fault that Ukraine exposed dirt on the Trump campaign?


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