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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26345530 - 11/25/19 08:25 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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The DNC and the RNC emails were hacked, but only the DNC emails were released.



I posted this before but you must have missed it:



"We did not develop any evidence that the Trump campaign or the current RNC was successfully hacked"


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26345583 - 11/25/19 08:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

That's right! I forgot that the transcript of the phone call was put on a secure server. Nice work :thumbup:

What a convenient system they have in the White House for such a situation :strokebeard:

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #26345704 - 11/25/19 10:05 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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The DNC and the RNC emails were hacked, but only the DNC emails were released.

Probably some seriously nasty shit in the RNC closets, more useful as blackmail.

And what democrats have been implicated?

In the last 50ish years, one democrat has been removed for felony abuse of office, and 80 something republicans have been removed for the same reason.



Neither were hacked.  Thats a fluff story.  DNC server was stolen by a mole.  There's no way it was hacked.  That's just another lie to make people believe Trump didnt win fairly, but he did and the Democrats were so embarrassed by him that they need a good fictional story to keep their party together.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: meltdowner]
    #26345764 - 11/25/19 10:33 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

How were the democrats embarrassed by losing to trump five months before the election when the hacks were traced to Russia?

Your timeline is fake news


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26345956 - 11/26/19 02:36 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I just watched "Loose Change 9/11" and it was for conspiracy theorists.



See, you were correct first time, however....


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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Here is what I read about 'Loose Change Final Cut':  "Loose Change Final Cut doesn't jump to wild conclusions like the previous editions, it states only facts and then leaves the viewer to decide."

That's probably why Ray McGovern got involved with that one, and why I'm willing to bet it's not as rotten as you think or needs debunking.




I watched so many versions of this stupid rotten movie trying to find you a link that I can confirm for you that Ray was not in any of the amended versions. I wonder why?


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I think we should start at 51:25 to get a little context.  Mineta testified that Cheney knew about the flight approaching when it was 50 miles from the Pentagon, and not a single alarm went off.  When the flight was within 10 miles from the Pentagon, a young man asked Cheney "Does the order still stand?"  And Cheney responded "Of course the order still stands, have you heard anything to the contrary?"  That testimony was not reported by the 9/11 commission.

At 53:45 Ray McGovern said "Norman Mineta was in the bunker with Cheney and the fact that that wasn't in the 9/11 Commission Report was rather odd, don't you think?  And who was that young man?  Did anybody ask who that young man was?"  Then McGovern said "Am I prepared to believe that Dick Cheney would be capable of knowing about this kind of attack on the Pentagon, for example, and allowing it to happen?  Well, from what I know about Dick Cheney, Yeah"


Was there anything conspiratorial about anything Ray McGovern said?

I wished there was more context for what Mineta said and for what McGovern said (why did McGovern say "for example"?)




Anything conspiratorial? Apart from accusing Dick Cheney of murdering over 3000 innocent people(rest their souls) without any evidence? Nah not really.

I'll say this one thing about the point you raised with Norm Mineta, as I don't want this post headed towards the conspiracy bin.
That plane was 50 miles out traveling over 500 mile an hr, full of passengers.
Total confusion reigned.
Are you agreeing with Ray that because Dick Cheney never gave the order to have that plane shot down that it somehow proves his point?

Now, you don't have to answer, it's a rhetorical question, as I don't want to see you sticking your neck out for Loose Change, koods will be all over you like a bad suit, and rightly so.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26345975 - 11/26/19 03:04 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Was there anything conspiratorial about anything Ray McGovern said?

I wished there was more context for what Mineta said and for what McGovern said (why did McGovern say "for example"?)




Sept 19 2006

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #26346278 - 11/26/19 08:31 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-dem-reverses-course-on-impeachment-as-polls-show-declining-support-i-want-to-censure

Ok, now that this Ukraine thing is falling apart, what is the next plan for the baseless political witch hunt?  Russia and Ukraine failed, what's next?  Maybe just wait until after the 2020 election and do the same thing after Trump wins again.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman] * 1
    #26346307 - 11/26/19 08:52 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Falling apart? The evidence is irrefutable


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346379 - 11/26/19 09:27 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Falling apart? The evidence is irrefutable




It isn't working politically and everybody knows it. So the question remains, what's the next witch hunt and when do they start it?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman]
    #26346391 - 11/26/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The enthusiasm for trump is vanishing. His supporters are pretty anemic. Empty seats at his rallies. Being removed from office is the ultimate goal, but a lot of good things happen in the process. Trump has
Clearly been damaged by this process. A lot of people are very happy to see trump dragged through the mud like he deserves


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman]
    #26346492 - 11/26/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-dem-reverses-course-on-impeachment-as-polls-show-declining-support-i-want-to-censure

Ok, now that this Ukraine thing is falling apart, what is the next plan for the baseless political witch hunt?  Russia and Ukraine failed, what's next?  Maybe just wait until after the 2020 election and do the same thing after Trump wins again.




I don't know, the Ukraine thing was a GOP side show, originally mentioned by Putin back in Feb 2017.

What else is the GOP gonna invent? I haven't paid attention to Putin's speeches much lately.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26346571 - 11/26/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I just watched "Loose Change 9/11" and it was for conspiracy theorists.



See, you were correct first time, however....


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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Here is what I read about 'Loose Change Final Cut':  "Loose Change Final Cut doesn't jump to wild conclusions like the previous editions, it states only facts and then leaves the viewer to decide."

That's probably why Ray McGovern got involved with that one, and why I'm willing to bet it's not as rotten as you think or needs debunking.




I watched so many versions of this stupid rotten movie trying to find you a link that I can confirm for you that Ray was not in any of the amended versions. I wonder why?



I wasn't arguing with you about whether he was shown in the movie.  I was arguing with koods about whether he was a producer.  He was NOT.

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Then McGovern said "Am I prepared to believe that Dick Cheney would be capable of knowing about this kind of attack on the Pentagon, for example, and allowing it to happen?  Well, from what I know about Dick Cheney, Yeah"

Was there anything conspiratorial about anything Ray McGovern said?



Anything conspiratorial? Apart from accusing Dick Cheney of murdering over 3000 innocent people(rest their souls) without any evidence? Nah not really.



WHAT?!?!?  WHERE DID HE SAY THAT?????  Can you provide a time stamp, because I totally missed that.

He said he thought Dick Cheney would be capable of allowing an airliner not to get shot down, he NEVER accused Dick Cheney of being behind 9/11.  You're very far off on this one (unless you can show me something I missed).

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I'll say this one thing about the point you raised with Norm Mineta, as I don't want this post headed towards the conspiracy bin.
That plane was 50 miles out traveling over 500 mile an hr, full of passengers.
Total confusion reigned.
Are you agreeing with Ray that because Dick Cheney never gave the order to have that plane shot down that it somehow proves his point?

Now, you don't have to answer, it's a rhetorical question, as I don't want to see you sticking your neck out for Loose Change, koods will be all over you like a bad suit, and rightly so.



I still don't know how you're confusing Dick Cheney being capable of not shooting down a passenger airliner with him being behind 9/11. Those are worlds apart.

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Sept 19 2006




Thanks for that!  But that video only says he thinks there's a cover up as to why the plane wasn't shot down and no warnings were given about its approach.  He even said this might simply be the result of negligence and/or just not knowing what to do, but he also said it's easy for him to believe there's something more sinister.  He was VERY careful to stress that he wants more evidence before making a conclusion, and that he believes more questions should be answered.

That's the kind of guy Ray McGovern is.  I don't know why you're make believing he said Cheney was behind 9/11.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26346656 - 11/26/19 12:21 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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wasn't arguing with you about whether he was shown in the movie.  I was arguing with koods about whether he was a producer.  He was NOT.





Yeah that wasn’t what we were arguing about. That’s where the goal posts in YOUR head were moved.

What he said in Loose Change was pure 9/11 batshit crazy. He’s espousing - straight up in his own word - the LIHOP version of the conspiracy theory

Why can’t you just admit you’re wrong?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346662 - 11/26/19 12:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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wasn't arguing with you about whether he was shown in the movie.  I was arguing with koods about whether he was a producer.  He was NOT.



Yeah that wasn’t what we were arguing about. That’s where the goal posts in YOUR head were moved.

What he said in Loose Change was pure 9/11 batshit crazy.

Why can’t you just admit you’re wrong?



Why did Loose Change even come up?  Because Ray McGovern posted a story that was critical of Fiona Hill, and you argued that Ray McGovern was the producer of a batshit crazy documentary.  He wasn't.


Ray McGovern wrote an article saying Fiona Hill didn't have evidence showing Russia was behind Ukraine-gate as she testified.

Fiona claimed "Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016 even if some of the underlying details must remain classified".

"the underlying details must remain classified" is what we kept hearing from you about Trump-Putin collusion, and some of us (hopefully) learned not to always trust the Government when they say "trust me".


Why can’t you just admit you’re wrong?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346666 - 11/26/19 12:27 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

my mom was just crying to some British movie about how the media coerced the public into going into iraq

she was upset about being duped about voting for trump

good times

i hope she deals ok

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: cannabinated]
    #26346679 - 11/26/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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my mom was just crying to some British movie about how the media coerced the public into going into iraq

she was upset about being duped about voting for trump

good times

i hope she deals ok




How was she duped?  The Russians got me with my Facebook account :sad:, what duped her?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26346692 - 11/26/19 12:45 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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wasn't arguing with you about whether he was shown in the movie.  I was arguing with koods about whether he was a producer.  He was NOT.





Yeah that wasn’t what we were arguing about. That’s where the goal posts in YOUR head were moved.

What he said in Loose Change was pure 9/11 batshit crazy. He’s espousing - straight up in his own word - the LIHOP version of the conspiracy theory

Why can’t you just admit you’re wrong?




I think I know why.

https://www.psycom.net/personality-disorders/narcissistic/
“A narcissist is never wrong because he (or she) perceives himself as perfect.“

How did he get this way?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenarcissisticlife.com/the-narcissist-is-never-wrong/
“A narcissist grew up believing from his earliest years that he is special and was most likely treated that way even as a small child. A narcissist develops a pathological sense of self entitlement very early. Truth is a foreign concept to the narcissist. His personality is built on a “false self”, believing that he is a superior, perfect being without flaws. As a child, he was not held accountable for his mistakes, lies or cruelties. His parents did not provide a sense of limits or respect for other human beings. He learned as a child to exploit and manipulate other human beings- to win at any cost. The damage to another person’s life was just collateral and necessary to his own immediate goals. “

High IQ + inflated ego = narcissism

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26346696 - 11/26/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

shes an evangelical christian who is also into conspiracy theories

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: cannabinated]
    #26346697 - 11/26/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

she just feels like shes been lied to her whole life ya know

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26346700 - 11/26/19 12:49 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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WHAT?!?!?  WHERE DID HE SAY THAT?????  Can you provide a time stamp, because I totally missed that.

He said he thought Dick Cheney would be capable of allowing an airliner not to get shot down, he NEVER accused Dick Cheney of being behind 9/11.  You're very far off on this one (unless you can show me something I missed).


I still don't know how you're confusing Dick Cheney being capable of not shooting down a passenger airliner with him being behind 9/11. Those are worlds apart.




Ray McGovern IMPLIED that Cheney had prior knowledge. What's that equate to?
Stupid movie, I'm not playing any further, I've said what I wanted to say.

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