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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26343023 - 11/24/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I love how people are pretending that impeaching trump somehow benefits the GOP.

Don’t you idiots realize reverse psychology only works on toddlers?




IF there were real legitimate reasons for the impeachment, your line of reasoning would have some validity in my opinion. Russia-Gate turned out to be a fraud, that helped Trump.

I'm sorry, but baseless and fraudulent political witch hunts do NOT hurt the opposition party, it benefits them.  :shrug:

I don't care if Trump went down for real crimes, but that hasn't happened and the US public knows it.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26343078 - 11/24/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I do get your point/s, fair enough, but I dunno about Ray.

I googled Ray McGovern and Loose Change yesterday but couldn't find a snippet from the film of him giving Dick Cheney a spray, as I recall.



Ok, I'll watch the movie and get back to you and koods.  Give me a few days.



I just watched "Loose Change 9/11" and it was for conspiracy theorists.  But I never saw Ray McGovern in it.  In fact, his name wasn't even in the credits.

I went back to look at Koods' screen shot and noticed that was for "Loose Change Final Cut", which as his screenshot shows isn't available.  Ugh.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman] * 1
    #26343097 - 11/24/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.npr.org/2019/11/19/780540637/poll-americans-overwhelmingly-say-impeachment-hearings-wont-change-their-minds

So let me get this straight, no one is going to change their minds regardless of what comes out and the Senate isn't going to vote against Trump. So what's the point here, it sounds like a complete waste of time.




The point is to force enough voters to accept that the GOP is protecting a clearly corrupt president. Everyone knew Trump wasn’t getting impeached by McConnells Senate. But it will help Dems in 2020, specifically in purple districts where impeachment will grind down GOP turnout, and flip enough moderates to the Dems by chaining every GOP candidate to Trump.




Ok, I get the political strategy, but do you think it's an effective method?  I really don't at all. There's also a good amount of Democratic supporters that don't agree with this whole witch hunt of Trump. I just see the whole thing backfiring and benefiting Trump.

Trump shouldn't be difficult to beat in 2020, but something tells me it's going to be a massive challenge for the establishment Democrats.




Impeachment has literally never backfired.
What makes this different?

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman] * 1
    #26343108 - 11/24/19 05:49 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

IF there were real legitimate reasons for the impeachment, your line of reasoning would have some validity in my opinion. Russia-Gate turned out to be a fraud, that helped Trump.

I'm sorry, but baseless and fraudulent political witch hunts do NOT hurt the opposition party, it benefits them.  :shrug:

I don't care if Trump went down for real crimes, but that hasn't happened and the US public knows it.



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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: qman] * 1
    #26343410 - 11/24/19 08:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently theres a bunch of emails showing how Trump actively trying to block military aid to Ukraine: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-review-turns-up-emails-showing-extensive-effort-to-justify-trumps-decision-to-block-ukraine-military-aid/ar-BBXgYXi?ocid=spartanntp


Hillary, can you believe it?!
Thanks US Government, for everything :solidnod:

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26343432 - 11/24/19 08:59 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Wow they are terrible at coverup


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26343447 - 11/24/19 09:12 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

they should have used a secure server and VPN that shit. The amatuers :nonono:

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26343529 - 11/24/19 09:59 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

They needed to send their server to Ukraine like the DN... I’ve said too much


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26343609 - 11/24/19 11:24 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I do get your point/s, fair enough, but I dunno about Ray.

I googled Ray McGovern and Loose Change yesterday but couldn't find a snippet from the film of him giving Dick Cheney a spray, as I recall.



Ok, I'll watch the movie and get back to you and koods.  Give me a few days.



I just watched "Loose Change 9/11" and it was for conspiracy theorists.  But I never saw Ray McGovern in it.  In fact, his name wasn't even in the credits.

I went back to look at Koods' screen shot and noticed that was for "Loose Change Final Cut", which as his screenshot shows isn't available.  Ugh.




That's a bummer, I think there were 3 of those rotten, confusing movies? They remade them after various claims were debunked.
As I recall he didn't say a great deal.
He certainly has an axe to grind with the government though as he has plenty of other online stuff.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26343666 - 11/25/19 01:00 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I just watched "Loose Change 9/11" and it was for conspiracy theorists.  But I never saw Ray McGovern in it.  In fact, his name wasn't even in the credits.

I went back to look at Koods' screen shot and noticed that was for "Loose Change Final Cut", which as his screenshot shows isn't available.  Ugh.



That's a bummer, I think there were 3 of those rotten, confusing movies? They remade them after various claims were debunked.
As I recall he didn't say a great deal.



Here is what I read about 'Loose Change Final Cut':  "Loose Change Final Cut doesn't jump to wild conclusions like the previous editions, it states only facts and then leaves the viewer to decide."

That's probably why Ray McGovern got involved with that one, and why I'm willing to bet it's not as rotten as you think or needs debunking.  If I can find it, I'll watch it and provide a review (or anyone here should feel free to do the same).  It seems like a totally different movie based on who's in it.

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He certainly has an axe to grind with the government though as he has plenty of other online stuff.



As do many well informed Americans.  :shrug:


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (11/25/19 01:10 AM)

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26343675 - 11/25/19 01:17 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Lol nobody who wants to maintain any credibility would get involved in a project like Loose Change


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26343677 - 11/25/19 01:20 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

You didn’t look very hard



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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26343691 - 11/25/19 01:33 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, but I found that already and it actually appears to be the first one.  If you read the credits it says "Loose Change 9/11" and doesn't appear to include Ray McGovern.

:shrug:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26343692 - 11/25/19 01:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I found the actual one I think. It’s got your buddy in it. He suggests Cheney allowed the pentagon to be hit. 54:00 mark. His basis for this: it’s something Cheney would do.



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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26343712 - 11/25/19 01:51 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, that one looks completely different, but I'm heading to bed now.  I'll try to watch in the next few days.

PS - are you defending Dick Cheney as a good guy now?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26343715 - 11/25/19 02:01 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

No, but if you’re going to accuse him of purposefully letting a plane hit the pentagon you should actually have some evidence.

He asks himself “am I’m prepared to believe that dick Cheney would be capable of knowing about the attack on the pentagon and allowing it to happen? From what I know about Dick Cheney... YEAH”


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26343720 - 11/25/19 02:10 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I forgot how manipulative this presentation is.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26343790 - 11/25/19 03:16 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Apparently theres a bunch of emails showing how Trump actively trying to block military aid to Ukraine: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-review-turns-up-emails-showing-extensive-effort-to-justify-trumps-decision-to-block-ukraine-military-aid/ar-BBXgYXi?ocid=spartanntp


Hillary, can you believe it?!
Thanks US Government, for everything :solidnod:




Hillary :lol:

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A confidential White House review of President Trump’s decision to place a hold on military aid to Ukraine has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal
extensive efforts to generate an after-the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether the delay was legal, according to three people familiar with the records.

Mulvaney is a critical player in the Ukraine saga, as he has acknowledged that he asked the OMB to block the release of congressionally
approved aid to Ukraine — at the president’s request — in early or mid-July 2019.




A quid pro quo + a cover-up ...

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26343799 - 11/25/19 03:25 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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He certainly has an axe to grind with the government though as he has plenty of other online stuff.



As do many well informed Americans.  :shrug:




That's part of what makes this forum what it is :thumbup:

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26344313 - 11/25/19 10:19 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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they should have used a secure server and VPN that shit. The amatuers :nonono:




...They did...

They put it on the super secret top security clearance server.

They just fucked it up.

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