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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338305 - 11/22/19 02:33 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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That poll is skewed because the Ukrainians weren’t under Russian guard. You need to find the polls taken when russian mercenaries are pointing a gun at you - the polls Fal likes.



Are you make believing that Crimeans were polled with a gun pointed at them?

You sir, are the undisputed champion of make believe!  :bow2:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338309 - 11/22/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Fiona Hill was worth listening to the other day.
From The Guardian.

A former White House official has criticised politicians for advancing discredited conspiracy theories about Ukraine during impeachment hearings.
'I refuse to be part of an effort to legitimise an alternate narrative that the Ukrainian government is a US adversary, and that Ukraine – not Russia – attacked us in 2016,' said Fiona Hill in her opening statement.
Republicans have used the hearings to push the idea that Donald Trump was rightly suspicious of Ukraine because of allegations it attempted to meddle in the 2016 election – a widely debunked claim
pushed by some of Trump's closest advisers including his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26338316 - 11/22/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Pew research collected the polling data, huh?



Yes.

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No international watchdog is allowed any access in Crimea to this day.



Source?  Or make believe?

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feldman114 said:
Here’s how a 2015 Pew study is introduced:
“ Pew Research Center interviewed in all regions of Ukraine except Luhans’k, Donets’k and Crimea, due to the security situation on the ground.1 ”
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2015/06/10/3-ukrainian-public-opinion-dissatisfied-with-current-conditions-looking-for-an-end-to-the-crisis/
The footnote said "Pew Research Center’s Spring 2015 Global Attitudes survey in Ukraine excludes the oblasts of Luhans’k and Donest’k – also referred to as the Donbas region – as well as Crimea, for reasons of security and political sensitivities."



We both know the Donbas region of Ukraine was dangerous; Crimea is safe so the survey must not have been conducted due to "political sensitivities".

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And here’s a chart by Pew:





Again, that's Ukraine, not Crimea.  By your own admission, Crimea wasn't part of this polling which is what we're talking about.




Ugh you know what....I tried
You’re obv more interested in being right than figuring out the truth.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26338349 - 11/22/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

As always, I provided sources for my claims (if there's anything I didn't provide, please let me know and I'll provide it).

I'm simply asking you if you can prove your claims that (1) Pew didn't collect the data  (2) "No international watchdog is allowed any access in Crimea to this day"  (3) Pew was unable to conduct a poll in Crimea

Can you prove any of these things, or were you just make believing?


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (11/23/19 11:37 PM)

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26338378 - 11/22/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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As always, I provided sources for my claims (if there's anything I didn't provide, please let me know and I'll provide it).

I'm simply asking you if you can prove your claims that (1) Pew didn't collect the data  (2) "No international watchdog is allowed any access in Crimea to this day"  (3) Pew was unable to conduct a poll in Crimea

Can you prove any of these things, or were you just make believing?




You ignore the inconvenient info...

There were armed Russian soldiers monitoring the streets. People were terrified. The results are unanimously disputed by journalists, human rights groups, UN members (except Russia and China, who abstained from voting).
Yet you think an objective polling process was possible? I doubt it. You just wanna be right.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26338387 - 11/22/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Pew doesn’t even conduct polls in most cases. They outsource the legwork and process the data.
Here, just link the poll and I’ll point out (with a screenshot) who actually was on the ground.

Not to say this makes the data unreliable. Just don’t put so much emphasis on “Pew did the polling”. I don’t even get why it matters...

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26338410 - 11/22/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
As always, I provided sources for my claims (if there's anything I didn't provide, please let me know and I'll provide it).

I'm simply asking you if you can prove your claims that (1) Pew didn't collect the data  (2) "No international watchdog is allowed any access in Crimea to this day"  (3) Pew was unable to conduct a poll in Crimea

Can you prove any of these things, or were you just make believing?




You ignore the inconvenient info...

There were armed Russian soldiers monitoring the streets. People were terrified. The results are unanimously disputed by journalists, human rights groups, UN members (except Russia and China, who abstained from voting).
Yet you think an objective polling process was possible? I doubt it. You just wanna be right.




Nothing says “legitimate election” like a 95% result. The funmiest part is how fal posts these numbers like were supposed to take it seriously. Saddam Hussein used to get 99% of the vote, so we know he was loved by the entire country


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26338423 - 11/22/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Can you prove any of these things, or were you just make believing?



You ignore the inconvenient info...

There were armed Russian soldiers monitoring the streets. People were terrified.
Yet you think an objective polling process was possible? I doubt it. You just wanna be right.



Sorry, I missed that.  Can you link to your post with the source of that information?  The people I spoke with in Crimea (including the Tatars) disagree.

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Pew doesn’t even conduct polls in most cases. They outsource the legwork and process the data.



Ok, I don't see how that changes anything.

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feldman114 said:
Here, just link the poll and I’ll point out (with a screenshot) who actually was on the ground.



Of course, I'll always provide evidence for anything I say:

Pew Research Center
"Crimean residents are almost universally positive toward Russia. At least nine-in-ten have confidence in Putin (93%) and say Russia is playing a positive role in Crimea (92%)."

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...don’t put so much emphasis on “Pew did the polling”. I don’t even get why it matters...



Because you asked "Polling data collected by who?", that's why.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26338427 - 11/22/19 03:33 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Pew's reputation is based on their competence and their having no agenda.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338429 - 11/22/19 03:34 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
As always, I provided sources for my claims (if there's anything I didn't provide, please let me know and I'll provide it).

I'm simply asking you if you can prove your claims that (1) Pew didn't collect the data  (2) "No international watchdog is allowed any access in Crimea to this day"  (3) Pew was unable to conduct a poll in Crimea

Can you prove any of these things, or were you just make believing?




You ignore the inconvenient info...

There were armed Russian soldiers monitoring the streets. People were terrified. The results are unanimously disputed by journalists, human rights groups, UN members (except Russia and China, who abstained from voting).
Yet you think an objective polling process was possible? I doubt it. You just wanna be right.




Nothing says “legitimate election” like a 95% result. The funmiest part is how fal posts these numbers like were supposed to take it seriously. Saddam Hussein used to get 99% of the vote, so we know he was lives by the entire country




Lol I think it was 98% but the crazy part is they claimed an 85% turnout. No Democratic election has ever had %85 turnout....or 98% of the vote going to one side for that matter.

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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338430 - 11/22/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Nothing says “legitimate election” like a 95% result. The funmiest part is how fal posts these numbers like were supposed to take it seriously.



There were many polls that confirm the results.  I previously posted how the US did it's own poll, only to find out it was indeed 95% so they hid the results.

Just because you like to make believe these results are illegitimate doesn't make it so.  Why don't you provide evidence like I do, oh great King of Make Believe?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26338446 - 11/22/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The US ran an election in Crimea?


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26338449 - 11/22/19 03:43 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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No Democratic election has ever had %85 turnout....or 98% of the vote going to one side for that matter.



It was 96%, and the people I spoke with in Crimea (including the Tatars) all bragged to me how they stood in long lines for this vote.

PS - Belgium typically sees more than 85% voter turnout, so you statement that "no Democratic election has ever had %85 turnout" is demonstrably false.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338453 - 11/22/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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The US ran an election in Crimea?



No, I said "US did it's own poll".  :facepalm3:


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: feldman114]
    #26338460 - 11/22/19 03:52 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

You are fairly new here. falcon is our local russian disinformation agent.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338473 - 11/22/19 03:58 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

And Koods is our grand champion of make believe.  I am able to prove everything I say, regardless of whether it favors Trump (who I hate) or Russia (who I don't care about).


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26338491 - 11/22/19 04:06 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Must be true cause you’re saying it


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338496 - 11/22/19 04:09 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

What you want proof of?  I've got over 100 unanswered requests for you.


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26338509 - 11/22/19 04:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Proof please


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Re: Impeachment Hearings Chat [Re: koods]
    #26338534 - 11/22/19 04:29 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Proof of what?  100 unanswered requests for proof?

Let's make it worth my while with a signature bet.


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