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bodhisatta 
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If Chris Kyle were born in 1914, ended up being a sniper for Germany in world war II, had similar kills, success, and statistics fighting for the Third Reich, and lived through the war and long enough afterwards Would he have stood trail at Nuremberg? Would there be books about his crimes and trial?
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hum. The soldiers didn't get trials. Only the generals and big guys did.
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PatrickKn


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Nuremberg? Surely not. Only high profile leadership was tried in that. Chris Kyle does not fit that bill.
Had Chris Kyle been in a more prominent role in the systematic killing of non-combatants, there might be a case in one of the many other trials which took place. I'm not too caught up on the whole Chris Kyle story, nor did I watch the movie. But he's not really known for the mass killings of non-combatants as far as I can gather, and I don't think he would be subject to most courts on the Western Block.
Edited by PatrickKn (11/12/19 07:08 PM)
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The fact that our culture makes a hero out of Chris Kyle basically just for killing almost 200 people, and he bragged about the number being higher, says quite a lot about our society's values in relation to how we think about military action...
The only reason he's famous is his kill count. Google his name and the question of how many he killed is the first under what people ask..
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People also ask: How many kills does Chris Kyle have?
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I had to look this guy up, I never heard of him, he got killed cause he left a guy in the back of his truck and wouldnt talk to him
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"I was just riding in the back seat of the truck, and nobody would talk to me. They were just taking me to the range, so I shot them. I feel bad about it, but they wouldn't talk to me. I’m sure they've forgiven me."
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Re: Question? [Re: gopher]
#26316573 - 11/12/19 07:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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gopher said: I had to look this guy up, I never heard of him, he got killed cause he left a guy in the back of his truck and wouldnt talk to him
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"I was just riding in the back seat of the truck, and nobody would talk to me. They were just taking me to the range, so I shot them. I feel bad about it, but they wouldn't talk to me. I’m sure they've forgiven me."
Is that a legit quote?
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Re: Question? [Re: feevers]
#26316578 - 11/12/19 07:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Question? [Re: feevers]
#26318595 - 11/13/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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feevers said:
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gopher said: I had to look this guy up, I never heard of him, he got killed cause he left a guy in the back of his truck and wouldnt talk to him
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"I was just riding in the back seat of the truck, and nobody would talk to me. They were just taking me to the range, so I shot them. I feel bad about it, but they wouldn't talk to me. I’m sure they've forgiven me."
Is that a legit quote?
that's a quote from the guy who killed Kyle right?
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Bill_Oreilly
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bodhisatta said: If Chris Kyle were born in 1914, ended up being a sniper for Germany in world war II, had similar kills, success, and statistics fighting for the Third Reich, and lived through the war and long enough afterwards Would he have stood trail at Nuremberg? Would there be books about his crimes and trial?
Chris Kyle was a fucking boner. Who brags about killing people? That's against the soldiers code of ethics. Scum, IMO. and I love America.
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I'm sure I'll be labeled a brainwashed American but I really don't compare at all what Kyle was doing -- taking out Islamic extremist targets, to a WW2 Nazi sniper who would be there to systematically exterminate the Jews or anyone else who would be getting in their way of do so
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Seems like there is a lot of content that has been put out online as a pure rejection of the concept of the guy as a hero. I wouldn't glorify the guy, but it seems like he is as condemned as he is glorified in the swing of things, perhaps as a balance. I can understand the rejection of the glorification of kill counts and general narcissism, but I wouldn't personally demonize him for being an effective killer merely for the fact. The rejection of glorifying a kill count seems appropriate, the demonization of the guy seems unbalanced in some ways though.
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Bill_Oreilly said: Chris Kyle was a fucking boner. Who brags about killing people? That's against the soldiers code of ethics. Scum, IMO. and I love America.
Bragging about being effective as a killer when your job is to kill is not against any code of ethics that I'm aware of. It may reflect a lack of humility, but there will always be a handful of those in direct combat roles who have a certain level of narcissism in regard to their experiences.
I think the condemnation of the guy seems misplaced in the grand scheme of things, though he may have made choices when involved in all his deployments that were unjust and illegal that I'm not fully aware of (as I mentioned, haven't read into his story too much except the last two days). I think condemnation is misplaced in the grand scheme particularly if someone making objections toward him has ever voted for, supported in spirit, or elected a legislator or president who have in any way supported any aspect of the wars.
War crimes are as much a symptom of toxic military practices and cultures as they are a symptom of the societies which support the policies that lead to the practice. If there was ever a vote for the lesser of two evils in any political race in the last decade here in the States, that's the kind of complacency that may serve to drive our nation's most effective killers to excel in their craft. Bush, Obama and Trump have all personally pulled the trigger on more unarmed civilians, women and children than Chris Kyle ever could have in a lifetime, and if one has ever given a vote or show of support to any one of these figure heads for a a first or even second term, I think there is a certain level of awareness that needs to be addressed in the role we might be taking.
Not supporting or demonizing Chris Kyle though, I don't know enough about him to make that call. He may be a total dickhead for all I know. But the huge body of articles I came across while reading up on him just made me curious how many of those people supported the same dickheads that legally speaking, push effective snipers into frequent deployments, never-ending conflicts, and quasi-illegal occupations in the first place.
Edited by PatrickKn (11/13/19 10:56 PM)
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Bill_Oreilly
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You are not supposed to brag about killing people. in war, shit happens by accident such as mistaking a weapon on a kid and having to blow him away. Things like that. Many other soldiers were upset with Kyle because he made his fame off killing people when any soldier could have. He wasn't special. he was just put in a position to succeed.
But yeah, it's a known thing in the army that getting famous and bragging about killing is s big no no.
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There’s a lot of shit Mr. Kyle has claimed that when checked against fact don’t seem to quite add up. Word on the street is he was fabricating stories and some even question how stable the guy was in the head.
I heard the movie was absolute garbage and just propaganda bullshit...
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The Jesse Ventura interview with Joe Rogan a few years back he goes off on the guy being full of shit
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