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bodhisatta 
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm substrate for bulk [Re: sai]
#25960174 - 04/28/19 07:08 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Read first post. "Prepared"
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sai

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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm substrate for bulk [Re: bodhisatta]
#25962073 - 04/29/19 07:57 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: Read first post. "Prepared"
Gotcha. Thanks Bod
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TeaforTwo
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: mushboy]
#26315444 - 11/12/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy, did you ever determine if sterilizing your pcvg got you past the contam issues?
were all your results turning to dust after a couple months of storage?
are you still sterilizing all your pcvg?
any new thoughts on any it for noobs considering such as a must do to prevent contams?
asking because this tek was referenced in a getting started thread between me and another one new to shroomery and mush cult in general. curious to know if you were still doing this after 2+years or if you determined your contam vector was elsewhere and found this to be waste of resources, e.g. time, energy and effort.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26315771 - 11/12/19 12:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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No. sterilizing coir does not have any impact.
Yes old coir dries out and turns to dirt.
Rarely
Sterilizing coir has ZERO impact on preventing contams. As stated in OP this tek isnt really about that. It's just about sterilizing a bulk sub simply because you can.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: mushboy]
#26315804 - 11/12/19 12:54 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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ah, ok. I was going off that intro paragraph in OP as to why you were doing it and wondering if you were still finding it useful to do to remove potential poor 'pasteurization skill' as a vector. Thanks for clearing that up, i'll point the other good fellow back to thread to see your update on the all of it.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26315811 - 11/12/19 12:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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That vector is imaginary because coir isnt like composts or manure. You cant fuck up pastuerizion on something that doesnt need pastuerizing.
Hence cold water hydrated coir. Even 2yrs ago
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: mushboy]
#26315865 - 11/12/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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ya, i'm convinced water from the tap is good enough for expanding and hydrating coir since coming across eatyualive's unbucket tek. i did feel like an asshat for facepalming fella over being convinced sterilizing coir need be included in his sterile tek.
convo panned out nicely tho- for two noobs chatting about sterility intent and purpose and different approaches folks use to climb the same mountain. another thread was pointed to by someone else showing Pastywhyte doing this in a thread a couple years older. just seems such a waste, but not my dime nor my time so
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: TeaforTwo] 1
#26315874 - 11/12/19 01:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I did it the intent was to prove that you didn’t need to properly pasteurize coir and I chose the route of sterilization because a sterile media is more susceptible to contam than one not heat treated at all. If you think sterilizing coir is a waste of time you should try properly pasteurizing it the day you need it.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: TeaforTwo] 1
#26315884 - 11/12/19 01:31 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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It technically is a waste.
Imo over half the stuff you read about what people do to be sterile is a waste. Figuring out what is the fun part
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: mushboy]
#26315921 - 11/12/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks for clearing that up fellas
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: TeaforTwo] 2
#26315982 - 11/12/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I remember working in a bathroom that was converted into a Lysol gas chamber. The shit people used to think “sterile tek” meant.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26448795 - 01/23/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I read all the thread. Bravo by the way I really thought my battle with trich was because maybe my vermiculite was the culprits of contamination. I just want to confirm because there’s so much going on. Sterilizing or pasteurizing won’t help out?
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: mushboy]
#28123101 - 01/03/23 05:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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For me PC'ing my substrate helped a lot. Before I was always getting trych growing on my casing layer, which also might have been due to the fact that I had not been using lime for the casing. However, now I do both: I have PCed coir and I add lime to the casing layer and since then I get some really good flushes that start ressembling those of the pro's. I started experimenting with adding some hydrogen peroxide to the bulk which degenerates contams, but the grains don't seem to mind. I even saw some interesting boost in the speed of growth of the mycelium. However, this was with Oysters and I still need to verify this observation when using cubes. Well, maybe someone has done it before and I did not find the thread yet. All hail to the mighty search function in this forum.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: JamesBlond]
#28123584 - 01/03/23 10:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Since this post has been resurrected, I'm curious to know if it's necessary to spawn in sterile conditions if the substrate has been sterilized. I'm not planning on doing this, but I'd like to know if since the substrate has been sterilized if there are greater chances of contamination when spawning in open-air as is typically done with pasteurized substrates.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: myceliation]
#28123609 - 01/03/23 10:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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All substrates are spawned in open air, pasteurized or not. Grains are inoculated in sterile conditions, but once fully colonized, nothing needs to be sterile anymore.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: cooleko]
#28123685 - 01/03/23 11:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I remember bodhi saying something like "you could wipe your ass with it at that point. ie spawning subs in open air.
*sigh* i miss bodhi condescending me. anyone know where he went?
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28123755 - 01/04/23 12:28 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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He still condescends people in the pub, i think his job took him away from cult.
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: AyePlus]
#28123757 - 01/04/23 12:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Bummer. That man could grow a fuckin canopy like nobody's business.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: myceliation]
#28123915 - 01/04/23 07:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
myceliation said: Since this post has been resurrected, I'm curious to know if it's necessary to spawn in sterile conditions if the substrate has been sterilized. I'm not planning on doing this, but I'd like to know if since the substrate has been sterilized if there are greater chances of contamination when spawning in open-air as is typically done with pasteurized substrates.
Definitely. If you're spawning to a sterile sub you would need to do so in sterile conditions. That's why gourmet growers inoculate their sterilized bags in front of a flow hood. (Good luck trying to spawn a sterilized bag in an SAB.)
The only time you wouldn't need to sterilize the sub is if it's just pasteurized or bucket tek, in which case open air is fine.
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Re: Making sterilized coco/verm bulk substrate [Re: Wintergirl]
#28123917 - 01/04/23 07:04 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I always fart into my bucket tek and cry
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