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 Divided_Sky
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 Faster San Pedro Extraction 
#2627104 - 05/01/04 07:12 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was looking over Ekstaza's alcohol extraction method here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Garden&Number=2450647&Forum=,
And I was thinking of a faster way to do it. I have some Peruvian Torch comming in the mail on Monday or Tuesday, but we have planned our trip for Thursday. That doesn't leave enough time for 6-9 days worth of alcohol extraction.
So this is my idea,
1) Do 1 or 2 alcohol extractions (3-4 days) shaking the jar ALOT
2) Mix the stuff together and evaporate,
3) Boil the rest of the cactus material in water with lemon juice for 3 20 minute extractions (like the San Pedro Tea method).
4) Mix it all together again serve as a tea or boil off the water, mix the sludges together and choke the goo down.
It would be combining the alcohol and water extractions to save time.
I was also thinking about using rubbing alcohol instead of 190 proof liqour.
I've never done an extraction before so I would appreciate some input. Thoughts
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Hooty
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2627182 - 05/01/04 10:14 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your time scheme doesn't seem right to me....say you get your torch on monday, chop it blend it or whatever and put it in the alchohol (shaking well) for 3-4 days that makes it thursday or friday and you haven't even evaporated yet.....now suppose you don't wate 3 or four days but only like a day or two...well it's going to take quite some time to evaporate the amount of alchohol it would take to cover the amount of cactus material you would need for more than one dose (or probably even one dose but I'm guessing it's going to be more than one dose sense you said "WE have planned our trip for Thursday") depending on the size of the evaporation dish....I really think you're rushing the whole process. Is there no way you could trip later than thursday? If not I would suggest you scrap the extraction idea and prepare the cactus the way MJShroomer's thread suggests....I don't know though man I'm no expert on cactus I'm just speculating....someone will be along shortly to give sound advice...Good luck though...
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Ekstaza
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2627379 - 05/02/04 08:24 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Once you mix the used cactus pulp that you filtered from the alcohol with water you will be faced with an extremely thick and slippery goo.
DO NOT TRY TO MIX THIS WITH YOUR ALCOHOL SOLUTION THAT HAS MESC IN IT
You'll know exactly what I'm talking about if you try what you are talking about. The cactus flesh does not swell up when soaked with alcohol, but it will absorb water and swell up like mad.
The reason for using grain alcohol is so that it is ok if there is any left over in the final product. You don't want to ingest isopropyl alcohol.
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YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ANY GIVEN DRUG ISN'T THE DEFINITIVE MEASURE OF THE DRUGS EFFECTS.
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Divided_Sky
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Ekstaza]
#2628182 - 05/02/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input. It looks like I will have to use Mushroom John's method. But...
What if I prepared all 4 doses seperately? I could probobly evaporate the alcohol faster. But I guess I couldn't do that fast enough. I don't have a desication chamber or the materials to make one.
What if I heated the samples up a bit to dry them out? Like a low setting on a microwave or oven (below 350 degrees)?
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 Psilostylin
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2628260 - 05/02/04 02:41 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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where you get some of this high proof alchohol? is that everclear?
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Divided_Sky
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Psilostylin]
#2628288 - 05/02/04 02:49 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psilostylin said:
where you get some of this high proof alchohol? is that everclear?
Yes. I bet you could probobly used Baccardi 151 too, but it wouldn't be quite as effective.
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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2628536 - 05/02/04 04:15 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldn't suggest putting an evaporation pan with alchohol in it in any sort of oven....
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Divided_Sky
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Hooty]
#2628652 - 05/02/04 05:18 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Microwave maybe?
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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."
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Psilostylin
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2628740 - 05/02/04 06:03 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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i personally would stay away from any heating method...for the possibility of fires and loss of potency (i had never used this prep. so i could be wrong about potency)...i'd say the best way to vape off something is to put the liquid in a glass pryrex baking dish and have a fan blow on it for a few days...true it takes more time but there seems to be no risk involved.
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Psilostylin]
#2629153 - 05/02/04 08:08 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Heating pad and a pyrex dish. 
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biglo
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Voodoo]
#2630649 - 05/03/04 01:45 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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Box fan is the only way to go IMHO. It'll evaporate in a day.
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Ekstaza
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Re: Faster San Pedro Extraction [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2631170 - 05/03/04 09:02 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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I evaporate the alcohol using a water bath on the stove. If you have a gas stove do not even think about this. It's just one pot inside of another with water in between. Use a riser of some sort to get the second pan up off of the bottom of the other pot. Use the vent also.
This must be monitored very closely because alcohol will boil off at a rapid pace once it reaches a certain temp. When it does you will have a big mess and possibly no mescaline.
Do not put this in the oven. It will explode. I know from experience. I was drying out some dessicant that I thought had only absorbed water and it had some alcohol in it as well. I had my back to the stove when I heard a huge explosion and turned around to see the oven door wide open and a flaming pyrex dish of dessicant.
It might be beneficial to use a lower alcohol content so as to not extract as much extra gunk, but you will be left with more water in the finished product. Not exactly a terrible trade off, but just not what I was trying for when I first tried this.
I would suggest making separate extractions for sepate doses with this method. The last time I did this I extract enough cactus to make five good doses and then evaporated it down quite a bit. Two of us ended up splitting the results for quite a long ride on the mescalito highway.
The heating pad under a pyrex dish thing works great too. I've done it that way once with a fan blowing across the surface as well.
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