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Re: Space Travel [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26342971 - 11/24/19 04:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

True enough.  Its no reason to give up on it.  Certainly space exploration is a noble pursuit, and I strongly support research and stuff in that area. 

And you're right, who knows what will be discovered in the future?

I just have a feeling that in some people's minds, there is an idea that maybe if the Earth goes sour for us, either through our negligence or a natural disaster, there is a possibility that we will all fly to another world.

There as nothing to indicate that is even a remote possibility.  Everything indicates that this world is all we will have in this life.

The notion of even becoming a space faring species of some kind is naive as well.  The human body needs Earth conditions.  It needs its gravity.  It needs its low radiation environment.  Human psychology needs to live on earth in an earthly fashion, not cooped up in a little spaceship.

Even if technical barriers were overcome, and generational colony ships were possible, what would go on on those ships?  Well, considering human history, mutiny, rebellion, exploitation and general destructive behaviour would go on.  If we take all our negative traits with us, won't we just end up fucking up wherever we are?  Are we to keep going from place to place, fucking it up so we have to leave? 

The solution remains the same as it always has been.  We have to get our shit together.  Then everything becomes possible, and then there would be no reason to leave anyways.

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Re: Space Travel [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26342983 - 11/24/19 04:46 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Worst part is, when the end comes, we'd have the tech but not the time nor organization.


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Re: Space Travel [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26343303 - 11/24/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Spend all the money we're blowing getting to mars and plant some trees\cultivate the Earth. Each family then should limit themselves to one child. Population would be cut in half within 30-40 years.


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Re: Space Travel [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26345160 - 11/25/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

For all of those reasons it’s why I presume it will take a colony ship, something like Babylon 5 or larger in scale, to get us beyond the solar system in any meaningful way.  One of the many issues with long term space travel is cosmic radiation, and one of the many proposed ways of protecting ourselves is through layers of processed human feces acting as a radiation shield.  So our awesome colony ship may just be coated in miles and miles of life saving shit.

Although realistically the first ‘earthlings’ that will reach another solar system are almost certainly going to be man made AIs, and/or uploaded brains to an artificial neural net that could be placed in a small heavily shielded container and built specifically for long duration space missions.

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Re: Space Travel [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26346928 - 11/26/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The main problem with radiation shielding is that no matter what you do it's heavy, and there aren't any tricks to change how much energy it takes to get it into orbit, nevermind changing the magnitude of the escape energy (i.e. constructing a spaceship in orbit doesn't really change anything).  People also don't really tend to respond that well to isolation either, as a matter of human physiology.

In all honesty, the Solar System is about the best interstellar vehicle that we'll ever have.  The main problem is how realistic the idea of controlling its motion is.  Assuming that you could do something like shift its center of gravity around to more or less make it fall in different directions you'd need to do it without making the whole thing too unstable.

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Re: Space Travel [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26383463 - 12/15/19 02:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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JohnRainy said:
Even if technical barriers were overcome, and generational colony ships were possible, what would go on on those ships?  Well, considering human history, mutiny, rebellion, exploitation and general destructive behaviour would go on.  If we take all our negative traits with us, won't we just end up fucking up wherever we are?




That's what the movie "Aniara (2018)" is about.  Pretty good movie imo.

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The solution remains the same as it always has been.  We have to get our shit together.  Then everything becomes possible, and then there would be no reason to leave anyways.




But even if they do, the Earth still has a time limit since the sun will eventually expand and destroy it.  So they'll have to leave eventually or die.  And that's also assuming they'll be able to avoid 6 mile+ asteroid impacts and supervolcano eruptions.


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