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The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn
    #26302608 - 11/06/19 10:40 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn
by Peter Dockrill
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Much of the United States could be gripped by significant water shortages in just five decades' time, according to predictions made in a new study.

From the year 2071 on, scientists say the combined effects of climate change and population increases are projected to present "serious challenges" in close to half of the 204 watersheds covering the contiguous US.

In the researchers' projections, water supply is likely to be under threat in watersheds in the central and southern Great Plains, the Southwest and central Rocky Mountain States, California, and areas in the South (especially Florida) and the Midwest.

"There's a lot of the US over time that will have less water," one of the researchers, economist Thomas Brown from the US Forest Service told Reuters.

To reach their estimates, Brown and his team used a number of global climate models to project future climate scenarios, while factoring in data on expected population growth.

According to the scientists, water stability in the US was achieved in the 1980s, after decades of increased demand which saw water usage surge ninefold since the turn of the 20th century.

Thanks to advances in dams, tunnelling, and pipelines, stability in water usage has been maintained since then despite a growing population, the team says, but with reservoir construction peaking in the 1960s, those adaptations won't keep delivering the same way in the future.

"Although studies show that climate change is likely to bring increasing precipitation in many areas of the contiguous 48 states of the [US], especially in northern regions, other areas are expected to receive less," the authors write.

"Furthermore, increasing temperatures, which are expected everywhere in the US, will tend to lower streamflow via the effect of temperature on evaporative demand, in some areas completely negating the positive effect of increasing precipitation and leading to decreasing streamflow."

In the study, the researchers modelled water supply and demand for 14 alternative climatic futures, using two future greenhouse gas emission scenarios with seven global climate models, and assuming water use efficiency will continue to improve as it has in the past.

While the findings are only projections and inherently uncertain, as the researchers acknowledge, they are nonetheless grim.

"In future periods, as population and economic growth plus the changing climate alter water yield and demand, shortages are projected to increase substantially, in the absence of adaptation measures, with many of the 14 futures we examined," the researchers explain.

"Averaging across the 14 futures, 83, 92, and 96 basins are projected to incur some level of monthly shortage in the near [2021–2045], middle [2046–2070], and far future periods [2071–2095]."

The team is eager to emphasise that these projected water shortages are not locked in, though, and could be mitigated by ongoing and future adaptations to water usage – especially in agriculture (which accounts for 75 percent of annual water consumption in the US) and industry.

In previous decades, reservoir construction has been a massive boon to water stability, but as the world gets hotter and drier, the researchers say it will be less useful compared to other 21st century adaptations, such as boosting irrigation efficiency.

"Where water is the limiting factor, a reservoir enlargement is unlikely to store any water," Brown says.

Tapping into groundwater is another option, but given that it is a limited and threatened resource itself, it's not something we should be too reliant on, the researchers say.

Instead, our water usage as a whole has to be looked at, and we particularly need to look at increasing the efficiency of usage among the primary users of this limited and precious resource.

"In reality, irrigated agriculture is unlikely to bear the full burden of accommodating future water shortages," the authors write.

"Nevertheless, given the large quantities of water used in agriculture and the fact that most of that water is used to grow relatively low‐value crops, the agriculture sector is likely to face serious challenges, all else equal."

The findings are reported in Earth's Future.







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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26314741 - 11/11/19 09:35 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

"From the year 2071 on, scientists say the combined effects of climate change and population increases are projected to present "serious challenges" in close to half of the 204 watersheds covering the contiguous US." 

they forgot to mention corporate greed for some reason.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: TedsDead]
    #26315038 - 11/12/19 02:36 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

The irony of climate change:

Sea rise is a problem......while running out of water!

Fossil energy running out.....while too much energy is heating the earth


Technology kept saving us so far, technology might keep saving us in the future. How to remove salt from ocean water and capture heat energy...


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: setarcoS]
    #26315674 - 11/12/19 11:56 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Here in the rustbelt we have the Great Lakes, so we are sitting pretty when it comes to water. I'm sure the Governors of the Great Lakes states will be selling water, and I'm not sure if anything will be put in place to stop them. Canada seems more attuned to the future consequences of actions than us, but I doubt they will be able to prevent it.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26315825 - 11/12/19 12:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

In the desert West we're fucked. A. We will have less water over time, anyway; and B. The population levels are exploding in most Western cities, as people from the East and California move inland. So we'll see what happens. Doesn't look good.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26316563 - 11/12/19 07:37 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

well, Im sure that we'll all get water rations while  some company like pepsi or budwiser get the rights to the reserves.  then we can live off of gatorade and bud-lite;)  sorry, no showers...


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: TedsDead] * 1
    #26316590 - 11/12/19 07:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I think the real corruption will come from big agriculture. They already use most of it.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26316597 - 11/12/19 08:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I know, plastics too. I was just trying making an idiocracy joke:facepalm3: 

also that was happening in mexico with modelo... I love modelo tho, but sadly had to stop drinking beer:(  I still pretend like I do tho.  pour some wine in my old beer can that I saved:wink:


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26316598 - 11/12/19 08:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Its kinda crazy how fast time goes by, and how much can happen in just a little bit of time.

This house of cards cant last another 100 years. I'd bet it'll be completely unrecognizable one person from now.

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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: feevers]
    #26316604 - 11/12/19 08:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

its just sad that we can see it coming and any of us can do whatever we want/can to conserve but it makes no difference if profit is valued over prosperity in the eyes of the industries.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: feevers]
    #26316669 - 11/12/19 08:40 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Its kinda crazy how fast time goes by, and how much can happen in just a little bit of time.

This house of cards cant last another 100 years. I'd bet it'll be completely unrecognizable one person from now.





Agreed.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: TedsDead]
    #26316677 - 11/12/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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its just sad that we can see it coming and any of us can do whatever we want/can to conserve but it makes no difference if profit is valued over prosperity in the eyes of the industries.





Yeah, it's weird. It seems it doesn't matter what the truth is. We know these catastrophes are around the corner, just as we know this species probably won't do anything about them in time. Very frustrating if you give a damn.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26316762 - 11/12/19 09:51 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

agreed. I always try to be conscious of the water I use.  call me a doomsday prep-er.  waste not want not.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: TedsDead] * 1
    #26317417 - 11/13/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah same here. Water is the most precious substance in the world.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26324734 - 11/16/19 01:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the real corruption will come from big agriculture. They already use most of it.



Cities are more likely to be the ones really fucking things up, to be totally honest.  There's no left vs right nonsense to read into, places like Las Vegas are already ruining other parts of their state in order to secure a water supply and people in general probably aren't going to be willing to give up the lifestyles that they've built around what basically amount to concrete deserts.  Any shitty things about water rights done in the name of agriculture will more likely than not be a result of trying to feed the cities.  You could also see some famines being generated, depending on how social organization ends up responding to continent wide aridification.  Happened in the PRC and USSR as a result of (defiantly stupid) central planning and it can definitely happen in the US as a result of our cult of the self regulating market.

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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: chibiabos]
    #26324744 - 11/16/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

That's a good point. It's ultimately all tied to the population centers, especially in the desert cities like Vegas and Phoenix, etc.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26324786 - 11/16/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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That's a good point. It's ultimately all tied to the population centers, especially in the desert cities like Vegas and Phoenix, etc.



It's not ultimately tied to population centers.  It's more of an issue of how society is even organized in the first place and what actually drives people (in whatever combinations of individuals) to make the decisions that they make.  How the population is distributed, geographically, is one aspect of that but ultimately it's how people act in light of those facts that matters more.  Our politicians are definitely failing us, but that's because our society is failing.  Even if they're working against some popular sentiment all that they can really do is reflect the interests of the society within which they function, and at this point the society that we live in is starting to appear incompatible with the way that people (on a very basic, physical level) live.

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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: chibiabos]
    #26324835 - 11/16/19 02:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I think our fragmentation goes very deep.


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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26327809 - 11/17/19 09:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

..."Tapping into groundwater is another option, but given that it is a limited and threatened resource itself, it's not something we should be too reliant on, the researchers say."...

Tapping into groundwater has already been overdone. Also much existing water is polluted, and continues to be further polluted. Fracking is just one aspect of this.

Hurricanes Katrina & Sandy, and chernobyl, 3 mile island, & Fuckashima, may just be peanuts, compared to what's coming. No one knows for sure.

At some point the wisest precaution may be to be prepared, for a quick suicide, like a spy and his cyanide pill or hollow false tooth. Preppers seem to be just those, in another form of denial.

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Re: The US Is Only Decades Away From Widespread Water Shortages, Scientists Warn [Re: laughingdog]
    #26377440 - 12/12/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

desalination plants will be necessary but at the same time severe weather conditions will lead to more droughts, then more fires, short bursts of torrential rains, and quick land erosion/mudslides and untold amounts of damage to infrastructure that is already old and unable to handle current loads.

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