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Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ
    #26302116 - 11/06/19 05:18 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmj7n3/dr-phil-thinks-smoking-weed-makes-you-violent-and-lowers-iq


Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ

He likened it to "opening your computer up and pouring water inside," but luckily we're here to fact check.
By Manisha Krishnan
Nov 5 2019, 7:30am

SURPRISE, DR. PHIL KNOWS JACK ALL ABOUT WEED. PHOTOS VIA DR.PHIL/FACEBOOK AND VICE

This article originally appeared on VICE Canada.

America’s favorite unlicensed psychologist thinks smoking weed will completely fry your brain.

Phil McGraw, who hosts the show Dr. Phil where he gives advice to guests struggling with personal issues, is not a licensed psychologist, though he has a doctorate in clinical psychology. Recently, his advice was aimed at a 11-year-old boy named JJ whose mother describes him as violent and out of control. JJ also allegedly smokes weed.



A screen cap on Dr. Phil’s website shows JJ holding a gun with (presumably?) weed smoke blowing out of his mouth. His mom told Dr. Phil he has threatened to kill her with a steak knife.

As a teaser for the episode, which aired last week, Dr. Phil released a misleading clip in which he discusses the horrors of cannabis.


Here’s a fact check of the biggest claims he made:

Claim: “Your brain grows until you’re 25 at least and it’s constantly changing. When you get to be 18, 19, 20, it’s actually pruning itself back. When you smoke marijuana it’s like opening your computer up and pouring water inside, a lot of things short out and it connects where it’s not supposed to and really creates problems.”

Reality: There is evidence that says brains continue to develop into a person’s 20s. But that’s about the most positive thing we can say about this statement. Dr. Phil’s computer analogy is out of touch with the evidence.

“Pouring water into a computer would destroy the computer and kill all the connections,” said Michael Verbora, a doctor with Aleafia Total Health Network, which helps Canadians access medical cannabis.


Verbora said while weed relaxes some of the chemicals secreted by the brain that cause anxiety or pain, “there is no evidence that any type of rewiring is taking place.”

He said small pockets of youth who use cannabis frequently, come from a lower socio-economic background, and have a family history of mental illness are at higher risk of things like disassociation and hallucinations. There are also potential links between cannabis use and schizophrenia for people with a family history.


David Juurlink, head of clinical pharmacology and toxicology at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Center, said “it’s ludicrous to equate smoking cannabis with pouring water on a computer.”


Juurlink said cannabis use can have potential risks, but the idea that it causes serious permanent damage is sensational.

“Maybe Dr. Phil should redirect hyperbole to alcohol, tobacco, opioids, and benzos, all of which are considerably more harmful, as is exploiting your troubled preteen on national television.”

Claim: “Even occasional marijuana smokers will look at a multi-point drop in IQ, even with just occasional use like once a week or two or three times a month. You’ll see IQ drop and motivation will drop across time.”

Reality: There is no evidence to back up this claim, according to Verbora, who referenced three separate studies that showed cannabis use had little impact on cognitive function or IQ decline in adolescents. One study showed that the small impact in cognitive function went away after the person abstained from consuming weed for 72 hours.


“That’s been debunked,” Verbora said.

Claim: “For a 10-year-old child to be smoking dope, he’s self-medicating his anxiety. So you understand why I said this child can’t go home.” (Dr. Phil goes on to say if JJ’s mom refuses to send him for treatment, “I have to report it within 24 hours and the child will be removed.”)

Reality: Verbora said often young people who use cannabis are self-medicating anxiety with cannabis, and that it could be better addressed with other treatment options, such as therapy, meditation, and exercise. However, he also said Dr. Phil’s messaging, including the use of the word “dope” only further stigmatizes cannabis consumers.


“No intelligent physician or doctor would ever use the word ‘dope’ to describe cannabis.”

Rebecca Haines-Saah, a public health policy expert and professor at the University of Calgary, said it appears that JJ and his family have a lot of complex emotional and behavioral issues aside from cannabis use.


“Kids with complex problems drop out or don't succeed in school because those problems are not addressed. Occasional cannabis use is not the risk here,” she said.

Both Haines-Saah and Verbora said the situation could be grounds for child protective services to get involved, but it depends on factors we don’t know.

“We don’t really have those pieces to the story. We don’t know if this is causal use, episodic use, or whether it’s actually causing harm,” said Verbora.

Claim: Cannabis causes violence. While Dr. Phil didn’t outright say this, the framing of JJ as a “gun toting, pot smoking” kid, along with the photo of him smoking weed and holding a gun seem to imply that cannabis is tied to his violent tendencies.

Reality: Unfounded. Verbora said he hasn’t seen any data that cannabis consumption causes aggressive behavior.

“I’ve treated 5,000 patients and 5,000 out of my 5,000 say cannabis makes them feel relaxed and calm,” he said. However, he pointed out that people often use more than one substance, and alcohol or stimulants would be much more likely to cause aggression.

Haines-Saah said it’s concerning that Dr. Phil is linking violence in teens to weed when there seems to be a lot more going on in JJ’s case.

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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: sycodelix]
    #26302257 - 11/06/19 07:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

It may lower IQ since it does screw up memory. But it certainly 100% does not make you violent. That's impossible.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #26302265 - 11/06/19 07:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Dr Phil is a bug eyed disturbing individual and not an authority on anything.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26302345 - 11/06/19 08:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

He said small pockets of youth who use cannabis frequently, come from a lower socio-economic background, and have a family history of mental illness are at higher risk of things like disassociation and hallucinations. There are also potential links between cannabis use and schizophrenia for people with a family history.

There is no evidence to back up this claim, according to Verbora, who referenced three separate studies that showed cannabis use had little impact on cognitive function or IQ decline in adolescents. One study showed that the small impact in cognitive function went away after the person abstained from consuming weed for 72 hours.


This is what needs to be taken seriously by people. Human systems are different and variation in their chemical make up can cause different reactions, but there has got to be more studies and clinical trials done to get some base knowledge. This is the beginning of what should have happened many years ago instead of the drug war on all recreational chems and plants.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26302368 - 11/06/19 08:46 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

It's a myth that you have to be from a lower class to have mental illness.  Mental illness and addiction affect any class of people.  Fact is anyone can form psychosis or depression, doesn't mean they will but nobody is immune.

Why doesn't Dr Phil the trendy tool talk about the devastation of alcohol?  Because it's not trendy?

Fact is there are a lack of adequate meds and treatments.  There is no more sensitive or complex organ as the brain.  It wasn't that long ago they went in and hacked parts of the brain away destroying them.  Of course Trendy Phil the Tool won't be addressing the horrors of his profession.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26302402 - 11/06/19 08:59 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed, mental health issues know no boundaries. opiates and alcohol are a lot more devastating as well, any prescription meds can be mare harmful than cannabis.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26302510 - 11/06/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

It drives me nuts that there's drug screens at laboratories for job applicants and i couldn't work if i smoked weed but an anti depressant would be okay?

Having been on so many probations and this ans that's I have had enough of drug tests.

Do other countries do this?

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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: stzacrack]
    #26302517 - 11/06/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Most nations due.  It's cultural appropriations.  Hippies lost the war.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26303394 - 11/06/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: ellomello]
    #26303530 - 11/06/19 06:08 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

There are a lot of sad men and woman that make money on an inflated expertise.  Trump and dr phil should have a chat.

He's no doubt knowledgable but he seems to deny having experience with his own suffering.  Thus an unrealized person.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26303559 - 11/06/19 06:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Tell that to Carl Sagan. Pretty sure he never had any issues with lowered IQ or aggression.

I would love to know why he is given any consideration on this subject. He's such a simple, pointless figure.

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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: mitchell_danger]
    #26303576 - 11/06/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Morhers all around America are frustrated with themselfs and lack of humanity and insght into the relationships.  So the watch dr phil and are amazed how stupid they are and how i teresting dr phils magic show of illusion seems.

Treatment largely is like this.  It's a lot like crime.  If people think you are submitting and agreeable they create less problems.  So most people learn to deny others information. It is a juggling act that requires cognitive skill and some truth seeking.

Dr phil juggles a side show like most over paid brain washing Moderators.  It's a hustle.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26304801 - 11/07/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Dr Shill


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26304809 - 11/07/19 11:16 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26304814 - 11/07/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Being stuck around dumb, violent people is the reason i smoked weed in the first place. The kid must be onto something... Seems Dr Phil seldom acknowledges the volatile behavior of the authoritarian figures in these youths lives.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Shroomigan]
    #26304855 - 11/07/19 11:33 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Mldern mental health treatment ks not very profound brainwashing.  It is subtle enough that less people find it objectable.


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26306077 - 11/07/19 08:33 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I’ll take people that need to be punched in the face for $200 Alex.
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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26306144 - 11/07/19 09:29 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Dr Fill dont be know shit about fuck ya’ll I wish I could punch’eem in the nose.:crankey:


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26306676 - 11/08/19 07:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

“Anyone who imagines that bliss is normal is going to waste a lot of time running around shouting that he’s been robbed. The fact is that most putts don’t drop, most beef is tough, most children grow up to just be people, most successful marriages require a high degree of mutual toleration, most jobs are more often dull than otherwise. Life is like an old time rail journey…delays…sidetracks, smoke, dust, cinders and jolts, interspersed only occasionally by beautiful vistas and thrilling burst of speed. The trick is to thank the Lord Universe for letting you have the ride.”

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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26307439 - 11/08/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

He's been sued left and right for abuse false imprisonment, speaks dangerously about taking away meds for people who otherwise be institutionalized doesn't understand meds worth a fan and fairly recently lost his psychiatry liscene suck bag


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Re: Dr. Phil Thinks Smoking Weed Makes You Violent and Lowers IQ [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26307502 - 11/08/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I know, he is an A1 egghead! (Texan to the core really)


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