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Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary...
#26287259 - 10/30/19 01:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's an old hippie / psychonaut thing to attribute different characters to even say, different batches of acid... I heard there even was an experiment showing that the blotter art had more effect on the subjective trip experience than the dosage.
People keep talking about how some mushrooms are more visual, some less visual, some have a higher or lower "body load"... Both between strains within the cubensis species, and between various species like cubensis, tampanensis, ATL#7, etc. There's even those little info sheets on Dutch smartshop baggies of sclerotia, telling how "mental" and "visual" the trip will be... I'm wondering how far along the bullshit scale these little superstitions are. My personal consideration is that probably quite far, but I'd like to hear your thoughts and experiences.
Personally, I know that active content (ie. strength) can vary WILDLY between cubensis varieties (by a factor of 2-3x, independently verified on the same two batches by me and three other people, grown and dried using the same protocol), and we know that woodlovers tend to be even more powerful. I also know from experience that the strength of "visuals" on a trip (whether from shrooms, LSD, DMT or even weed) depends more on my own specific neurochemistry at the time than on the amount and type of psychedelic consumed. (My personal recommendation if you reliably want really strong visuals, is to take at least a two-month break from all psychs, and then drop a proper trip's worth in a single dose.)
Another thing I noticed is that the strength of visuals tends to be far more dependent on dose than some other effects, such as mental introspection, a dreamlike state, or even spiritual / religious experiences. So the most noticeable difference between a "low" dose and a "high" dose at the same tolerance level may be mainly how visual it is, otherwise both are equally psychedelic trips in their own rights.
So maybe the "more visual" mushrooms are just plain "stronger" mushrooms. People tend to dose shrooms by dry weight, and there are some rule of thumb doses like 1g, 3g, 5g... And 1g of a weaker shroom may be "barely visual", while 1g of a stronger one may give you awesome OEVs. The only issue is that 3g of the weaker, "barely visual" mushroom would probably give you the same trip that 1g of the stronger one does...
Of course I did experience subjective differences between shroom species and even varieties. With American varieties I tended to see Mexican-style OEVs, with Asian ones, mandalas. With local wild woodlovers I felt a different "spirit" and different symbology, different thoughts, different visuals, and again different with sclerotia from Amsterdam. But that is more likely set&setting, if we don't want to bring animism into it.
Agree? Disagree?
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Edited by PsyduckMonkey (10/30/19 01:36 PM)
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: PsyduckMonkey] 1
#26287271 - 10/30/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just like strains of weed and genetics, shrooms will have different effects due to genetics and species.
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
#26287274 - 10/30/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the trip represents life. Just like days are different, trips are too.
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: The Mycologist]
#26287322 - 10/30/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I stand in favor of the cultivar. The terroir. And the intention.
Mixing each will produce different results.
I don't like the, 'a cube is a cube' mentality unless in reference to nomenclature.
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: footpath] 1
#26287350 - 10/30/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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well, if one contains more baeocystin it should be definatily diffrent from than another I believe
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: pac.ytrebil]
#26287380 - 10/30/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find liberty caps a lot more euphoric than other types of shrooms.
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: pac.ytrebil] 1
#26287437 - 10/30/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: Just like strains of weed and genetics, shrooms will have different effects due to genetics and species.
It's pretty well established that cannabis has dozens of active ingredients; even though the main psychoactive is THC, both CBD and CBN modulate it and give body effects, and all the different terpenes have a measurable and solid modulating effect.
It's not impossible that shrooms also have dozens of chemicals that take part in the trip, it's just a lot harder to measure when two subsequent trips using the same, homogenized (blended) batch, using the same dosage, will usually be completely different in both strength and character.
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pac.ytrebil said: well, if one contains more baeocystin it should be definatily diffrent from than another I believe
Yes the baeocystin ratio is a good question. The thing about baeocystin is that nobody, including my own experience, have been able to give me any idea what baeocystin "does", as in which part of the shroom trip is the "baeocystin part", how it modulates the experience...  Can you?
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
#26288348 - 10/30/19 08:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The title of this thread has been the basis of my search for the last 38 years.
Yes they are different species to species. Some are similar in a way like P.semilanceata, P.tasmaniana even P.pelliculosa and alutacea start off similar to the other two species. However P.semilanceata gives a more full blown psychedelic euphoric trip. P.tasmaniana is just as euphoric but not as potent.
P.sect. Zapotecorum is very euphoric and hilarious. Besides being psychedelic. P.papuana is extremely psychedelic when fresh. Unique visuals on even two specimens with a cap 20mm across. Copelandia cyanescens strong visuals of a different order to most Psilocybe species.
P.subaeruginosa the lowland ones give very strong visuals and effects. Mountain ones give a different trip. More mellow and euphoric but much weaker visuals. Compared to P.tasmaniana they are not euphoric producing quite a flat boring trip. There are exceptions though. Found some exceptional mountain subaeruginosa last season. Looked like a giant version of makarorae.
P.cubensis can give good visuals. Need too many weight wise of the wild ones. They do not compare with P.semilanceata. P.papuana or P.sect.Zapotecorum by a long shot. Those three mentioned species are extremely potent weight for weight.
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
#26288374 - 10/30/19 09:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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PsyduckMonkey said: People keep talking about how some mushrooms are more visual, some less visual, some have a higher or lower "body load"... Both between strains within the cubensis species, and between various species like cubensis, tampanensis, ATL#7, etc.
Yeah and there's a reason for that. I've grown many different strains and a few different species and among the ones that became favorites that I went back to often there were always distinct differences of one sort or another. And for some that I got rid of immediately after a single trip - there were unpleasant aspects of one sort or another that were impossible to miss. And the differences can be profound in the nature of the trip itself, and beyond that, in the sort of relationship you gain with the particular organism that's providing the fruits that produce those trips...
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#26288905 - 10/31/19 03:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Theres definitely a difference, especially when comparing species.
The trip of Pan cyans is very different than Cubes, so much that they feel like different drugs to me.
The differencew between strains of cubes are much more subtle. However, its more obvious with "mutant" strains like PE, APE, KSSS and African Transkei (a personal favorite).
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: PsyduckMonkey] 1
#26290041 - 10/31/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have yet to notice any consistent and pronounced differences between strains & species.
The only differences I've ever noticed is things like over all potency, how quickly the trip comes on, and how visual the trip is...And I feel that the different ratios of the active components is what creates these differences that I notice.
With that said though....I haven't had the chance to grow a bunch of different strains & species and work with each of them a bunch of times and become familiar with them. Most of what I've worked with over the years is a few strains of cubensis and lots of cyans and allenii that I pick myself.
But over the past 10+ years that I've been working with mushrooms I can't say I've noticed that any strain/species has a consistent and distinct effect/characteristic that stands out compared to others.
Over the past 5 years I've been working with mostly cyans and allenii that I pick myself from several different patches....They both feel exactly the same to me, and they both catalyze trips just like cubensis (though they are both about 2 to 3 times more potent than any cubensis I've ever had...1g of cyans feels like 2.5g to 3g of cubes for me).
I notice more of a difference between fresh & dry allenii/cyans than I do between strains & species .
I would love to have a bunch of different strains & species on hand though to see if I notice any of them having a distinct characteristic....I'm open to the idea, but from my personal experience all mushrooms are basically the same to me besides things like potency.
....and besides gymnopilus species, which contain alkaloids that psilocybe species don't (alkaloids that are similar to those found in kava).
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: openmind]
#26290077 - 10/31/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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When you can establish a base experience off the same type repeatable...then we can start looking to difference between. Acid to me is almost carbon copy every time. Mushrooms are most definetly not.
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: pineninja]
#26290553 - 10/31/19 07:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can notice a slight difference with PE and other cubes. That's only because one is literally atleast twice the strength. When you have a strain that's over twice the strength and is just jam packed with alkaloids, you are bound to feel a difference most of the time. But with weed...the strains feel the same if the THC content is similar.
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Re: Trip differences between shroom species and varieties - real or imaginary... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#26290643 - 10/31/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Voids make me feel way better than cubes and they taste better too
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