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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26284674 - 10/29/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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im thinking of going to a pf puck and just wedgeing the swab in it
if it comes to it ill dunk in lc.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#26285445 - 10/29/19 05:40 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Albino cambodian?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26285488 - 10/29/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Samskara92 said: My teacher and I are going to be spawning some Avery's Albino soon. Anyone who has fruited this; did you use a casing? Not really trying to, but we want that canopy
Yes a thin casing will help
Cron what would you suggest for a casing do you use a coir, verm, peat moss? Lime? Or just toss a handful of coir on top when spawning?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26285520 - 10/29/19 06:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you guys think a jar stalled from dry prep would be a good candidate for slurry? I have a few that won't make it as spawn but they appear clean
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26285536 - 10/29/19 06:29 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they wont make it as spawn why would you use it as inoculate?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#26285629 - 10/29/19 07:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know what's what anymore. My tubs and SB's are supposed to be AA+, PE, PE6, and APE. all the AA+ are looking like this.
 I know what's ape and PE I fucked up labeling plates again? So I think I have lots of PE6.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26285747 - 10/29/19 08:00 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Do you guys think a jar stalled from dry prep would be a good candidate for slurry? I have a few that won't make it as spawn but they appear clean
no. I have done this. if the grains get too dry they dont blend up very well and you have an extremely unevenly mixed slurry. it works but your inoculation rates are super hard to get consistent, IME.
also what mushboy said. except some might be spawn able but I'd never use to noc other grains with
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26285888 - 10/29/19 08:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Samskara92 said: My teacher and I are going to be spawning some Avery's Albino soon. Anyone who has fruited this; did you use a casing? Not really trying to, but we want that canopy
Yes a thin casing will help
Cron what would you suggest for a casing do you use a coir, verm, peat moss? Lime? Or just toss a handful of coir on top when spawning?
I personally just prefer a peat and verm mix but strait coir will work fine as well
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26285914 - 10/29/19 08:54 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like organic jiffy mix, if you want something premixed that has peat and verm it's pretty good. I dunno if you have this in your area but it isn't too expensive.

I've heard people use it straight out of the bag but I have been pasteurizing it on stovetop in jars. I mostly just use it for late-casing PE. It is great at reducing blobs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26285918 - 10/29/19 08:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I got that brand as well
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26285993 - 10/29/19 09:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool thanks guys I've already got peat that I can try, in the past ive used coir and it would just be completely consumed before the first flush. Just wanted to try something else to see if I like it any better.
Any idea on how well compost works? I've composted leaves, coffee grounds, egg shells, plant matter, bread, fruits, veggies, coir, peat, and a bunch of random kitchen scraps with some potting soil. I remember reading once that cubes will grow on pretty much anything composted. I've never tried it though and I've got garbage cans full of cleaned sifted compost so I'm thinking I'm going to try using that 50/50 with coir for substrate.
I've just got to buy another thermometer haven't had to pasteurize anything in so long I've lost my thermometer lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26286006 - 10/29/19 10:03 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always psuedo case at spawn. Should I case my PE or ape again? And what's difference from psuedo and normal case? What's pros/cons difference
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26286137 - 10/30/19 12:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I'm not going to pretend to know a whole lot about it but I know in my particular circumstances pseudo casing sucks and just acts as extra substrate that the mycelium consumes before fruiting. I have had the best luck so far casing with straight verm after knotting has happened on the surface. Rather this is kosher or not I couldn't tell you but in my experience this is effective.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26286179 - 10/30/19 12:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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for pe use a proper peat based casing recipe. pseudo casing isn't a "casing" so to speak and doesnt function like one. it just covers ur grain and makes myc look purdy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
#26286184 - 10/30/19 12:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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For PE a pseudo casing never stopped the blobs for me. I had to case it right as my tub was at 90-100% colonization. Too early, blobs, too late, blobs. The casing still helped, but getting the timing perfect reduced the amount of blobs to 1 or 2 in a shoebox of fruits.
It took some time to get the timing of the casing down. For me it seemed the prominent factor in reducing blobs. I never noticed a difference from consolidation of colonized jars. As long as I timed the casing right I was able to get very little to no blobs and spawn jars as soon as they hit 100% colonization.
I have only been using MS so genetics too could be playing a role, but across several different MS grows it seemed to me timing of casing was very important.
(this was not cased, it was pseudo cased using coir)

Getting better... but still shit (cased using jiffy but timing not great)

Decent, maybe (jiffy...timing too early)

Thats the ticket.... (jiffy cased at perfect timing)

Maybe it was nothing to do with the casing, but I seriously think that is the key to the penis!

I almost gave up on the blobbing PE. I'm glad I didn't. Without Frank's work on casing PE I probably wouldn't have gotten this far. So thanks to Frank!!!
His thread on casing PE (here) is a great read 
Also FWIW these are all first flush photos. It is true that sometimes the PE will blob the fuck out first flush and produce mostly normal fruits later. I never cared to wait for a second flush with a blob producing tub though. Casing is where its at
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26286219 - 10/30/19 01:21 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im fruiting in jar (Bods plastic baggie tek)
And I got the new dry verm later pretty wet, should I replace, and then mist? or just let the field capacity,soaked verm dry?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26286221 - 10/30/19 01:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Huh...I have a PE culture that hates casing. Casing it causes crazy half submerged blobs and barren areas without life.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26286226 - 10/30/19 01:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: For PE a pseudo casing never stopped the blobs for me. I had to case it right as my tub was at 90-100% colonization. Too early, blobs, too late, blobs. The casing still helped, but getting the timing perfect reduced the amount of blobs to 1 or 2 in a shoebox of fruits.
It took some time to get the timing of the casing down. For me it seemed the prominent factor in reducing blobs. I never noticed a difference from consolidation of colonized jars. As long as I timed the casing right I was able to get very little to no blobs and spawn jars as soon as they hit 100% colonization.
I have only been using MS so genetics too could be playing a role, but across several different MS grows it seemed to me timing of casing was very important.
(this was not cased, it was pseudo cased using coir)

Getting better... but still shit (cased using jiffy but timing not great)

Decent, maybe (jiffy...timing too early)

Thats the ticket.... (jiffy cased at perfect timing)

Maybe it was nothing to do with the casing, but I seriously think that is the key to the penis!

I almost gave up on the blobbing PE. I'm glad I didn't. Without Frank's work on casing PE I probably wouldn't have gotten this far. So thanks to Frank!!!
His thread on casing PE (here) is a great read 
Also FWIW these are all first flush photos. It is true that sometimes the PE will blob the fuck out first flush and produce mostly normal fruits later. I never cared to wait for a second flush with a blob producing tub though. Casing is where its at 
So I'm not sure if I missed it but when is the best time to case PE? I prefer a late casing myself but dont grow PE specifically so more detail would be appreciated. Speaking specifically from your own experience.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26286227 - 10/30/19 01:30 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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GypsyCurse said: Huh...I have a PE culture that hates casing. Casing it causes crazy half submerged blobs and barren areas without life.
You think this could possibly have more to do with your climate/growing conditions than the culture or is it one specific pe culture out of many you've grown out.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26286230 - 10/30/19 01:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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at 90 to 100% colonization
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GypsyCurse said: Huh...I have a PE culture that hates casing. Casing it causes crazy half submerged blobs and barren areas without life.
Sounds like you got real lucky then, or you have different lineage than the SW PE.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18630947#18630947
This thread is a good read on PE casing. Far as I know most people experience blob issues with the modern PE until they fine tune the best way to case and fruit them. Maybe I'm just really unlucky and the blobs aren't as common as I thought
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