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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28618564 - 01/12/24 10:40 AM (15 days, 10 hours ago)

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b]Democrats weren't always the hawkish, pro-censorship, authoritarian, undemocratic, corporate asslicking pieces of shit they are today.



That describes nearly all politicians in the US.
Not just most Democrats, nearly all Republicans fit this description as well.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28618617 - 01/12/24 11:35 AM (15 days, 9 hours ago)

Anti vaxxers will never be elected to any dem primary so thinking that guy has any shot is an unrealistic expectation.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28618760 - 01/12/24 02:20 PM (15 days, 6 hours ago)

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Anti vaxxers will never be elected to any dem primary so thinking that guy has any shot is an unrealistic expectation.




If that's the most important issue to Dems... We really do have problems lmao!


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28618875 - 01/12/24 04:00 PM (15 days, 4 hours ago)

Science is up there with one of my most important issues. :shrug:

Antivax
climate change denial
reducing NSF and other research funding

All hard NO from me


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 4
    #28618886 - 01/12/24 04:13 PM (15 days, 4 hours ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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mushboy said:
Anti vaxxers will never be elected to any dem primary so thinking that guy has any shot is an unrealistic expectation.




If that's the most important issue to Dems... We really do have problems lmao!




:lol:

No because it’s like not wanting to date a psycho. Self disqualification.

Being anti vax is akin to flat earth.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy]
    #28619001 - 01/12/24 05:54 PM (15 days, 3 hours ago)

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No because it’s like not wanting to date a psycho. Self disqualification.




Psycho's are fun, when you're young.

Quote:

Being anti vax is akin to flat earth.




It depends what you mean by anti-vax. I mean, if we're talking about real vaccines that prevent transmission and contraction, I suppose you have a point.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #28619018 - 01/12/24 06:06 PM (15 days, 2 hours ago)

so exhausting.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28619468 - 01/13/24 07:52 AM (14 days, 13 hours ago)

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Yeah, he's a fucking Kennedy and he was running as a Democrat. If he was a normal Kennedy the party would have rigged it for him not against him; would have been a dream come true even better than Michelle.




In a lot of respects, I think he is a normal Kennedy. The fact of the matter is, the party has changed. Democrats weren't always the hawkish, pro-censorship, authoritarian, undemocratic, corporate asslicking pieces of shit they are today. JFK would be cast as a fringe nutjob nowadays.

Democrats think that they are going to win by pointing out how bad the other guy is, instead of trying to inspire people, and make them want to vote. This has always been a losing strategy.




As far as the party goes, I think you're comparing the Dems to an ideal. I'm comparing them to the Republicans and think the Dems are better on most of those issues and tied for just as bad on some.

On RFK JR being normal, name one blood relative in the huge Kennedy clan that would say he's normal or support his candidacy. You can't go too far with family legacy when the whole family is against you.
RFK JR has fringe support plus young people who are totally fed up with the system. I wish the young had a better option to rebel towards, but they're shit out of luck like the rest of us. Most observers think RFK JR takes more votes away from Trump than Biden, but his role as a spoiler will depend on which states let him on the ballot.

Your last paragraph ignores the Biden victory being based entirely on pointing out how bad the other guy is. It's the farthest thing from idealism, but it's what we got.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy]
    #28619531 - 01/13/24 09:16 AM (14 days, 11 hours ago)

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Being anti vax is akin to flat earth.






Not at all, actually. One can accept that vaccines are effective and yet refuse to use them for several reasons. Not all people who don't take vaccines are "anti-vax."


You can't honestly believe that both flat-earth and spherical-earth concepts are possible.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28619817 - 01/13/24 01:49 PM (14 days, 7 hours ago)

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Democrats think that they are going to win by pointing out how bad the other guy is, instead of trying to inspire people, and make them want to vote. This has always been a losing strategy.





Always?
That worked great last election unless you think they inspired the fuck out of everyone with Joe Biden .


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28619862 - 01/13/24 02:25 PM (14 days, 6 hours ago)

Trump was flubbing covid and Biden seemed somewhat sensible on how to approach it by acknowledging the value of vaccines without the stupidity of trumps approach.

That issue isn't going against trump this year, and since Biden still isn't campaigning and doesn't have a platform he says he's running on, the default assumption so far is that it's more of the same shit and that works in trumps favour, because people want change, and it doesn't seem to matter in which direction, just away from this, like what we saw in Argentina. Plus because of gerrymandering democrats need to win big to ensure the electoral votes they need. Like how Hillary won the popular vote but lost the electoral one.

With Biden hemorraging support from young people and middle eastern people through his recent support of what's going on between Gaza and Israel, it doesn't help his case. I get we can't rely on the polls entirely, but they're showcasing an absolute hemorraging support of Biden at a time where he needs the opposite. But he isn't doing anything, so far the strategy seems to be relying on personality politics, and without the management of the covid crisis as an issue, trump will be in the lead as of yet.

:2cents:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #28620051 - 01/13/24 05:52 PM (14 days, 3 hours ago)

I think it’s more that Trump has been bragging about the dictatorship he’s planning to establish. All the punishments he’s going to dish out. Plus all of the pardons he’s going to give out.
Joe Biden just has to not say anything. Just the juxtaposition alone, it’s literally an insane person versus Joe Biden.

If his fans weren’t literally diehard zealots willing to start fires and kill people for him. I’m sure he would’ve been removed from eligibility to hold office. But I think the government is literally terrified of what would happen if they did that. So instead they’re going to let it boil over into the presidential election. Where it will become a complete cluster fuck disaster rather than a small, armed protest. I’m really not looking forward to this one. This is going to be pretty bad. Unless by some miracle a judge decides to remove Trump from eligibility right now. Then we would still have a messy protest that would happen. But at least it wouldn’t be a full-blown disaster.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28620141 - 01/13/24 07:17 PM (14 days, 1 hour ago)

What do you think is going to happen?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28620159 - 01/13/24 07:42 PM (14 days, 1 hour ago)

Right now I’m hoping that the states get to keep him off the ballot. If that happens, then the small scale protest is going to happen that I was talking about. A bunch of people will be pissed. A bunch of people talk about how America is losing its freedom. But really what we did was dodged a bullet and didn’t get a dictatorship.
If those get fought in court, and he does get put on the ballot. Then I think he’s going to lose again.

Which will cause a huge armed protest. Which might cause an actual riot in the capital.
Which I am not looking forward to at all.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28626904 - 01/19/24 09:07 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

I've always been on the anybody but Trump team. Hopefully Trump gets disqualified or wounded badly, but not right away. Republicans don't have a good plan B (see Nicki Haley shoot self in foot). If they had time to find someone acceptable, the Democrats look very vulnerable on the immigration issue and people's tendency to connect economic problems with immigration just because. If we have anything resembling a recession, the Dems will need the GOP candidate to be too pathetic to consider. Trump appears to have ruined himself and the party. Still concerned though because a normal person could beat Biden. Keep the crazy train going


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #28626920 - 01/19/24 09:20 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

id rather have a turd sandwich for president than that giant orange douche. its clear as day to me:shrug:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28626927 - 01/19/24 09:29 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

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id rather have a turd sandwich for president than that giant orange douche. its clear as day to me:shrug:




I think it’s obvious. Sure, Biden has done 11,268,846 evil things, but I think we can all agree that Trump will do at least 11,268,847 evils.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28626928 - 01/19/24 09:30 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

lesser of evils yes.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy]
    #28626935 - 01/19/24 09:36 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

If Dems were smart they’d be playing up the Dobbs decision, instead of telling people that they’re stupid for thinking the economy sucks.

I just wonder how far this lesser evil calculus will go with voters, given that things haven’t really changed (in some cases gotten worse) since Trump.

There’s no more anti war, anti corruption, pro immigration, pro campaign finance shit to contrast against republicans. Abortion is all that’s left.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28626940 - 01/19/24 09:41 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

maybe you should get out more if thats all you see:shrug:


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