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Ice9
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: wolf8312]
#28617206 - 01/11/24 05:17 AM (16 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Ice9 said: LOL, the old he shouldn't be prosecuted because "alleged crimes not crimes".
Question for you? How do you think "alleged crimes become actual crimes? In the US this happens by prosecution and conviction

Where exactly did I say Trump should not be prosecuted because these are alleged crimes?
My point was that Trump has not committed any crimes until he has been convicted after a fair trial. Therefore they are are alleged crimes.
My second point: Even if he is indeed guilty, are basically meaningless compared to the last twenty years of War On Terror atrocities committed by his presidential contemporaries. And probably most of the presidents before him.
It is this moral selectivity/inconstancy that is IMO indicative that Trumps prosecution is politically motivated and corrupt. Not based on any moral desire to see justice served.
Or do you actually believe his psychopathic and War criminal enemies within the political establishment (democrat and republican btw) really give two shits about morality or justice?
Do you really think that this is what it's all about?
I don't even care for Trump. I don't believe he's a good president and believe he will let a lot of people down, as I don't believe he possess either the courage or integrity (or power) to save America from the nutcase radical leftists who are tearing the US (and my own country) apart.
I just believe whatever Trump may be, compared to the likes of Liz/Dick Cheney or the likes of Jon Bolton, or Paul Wolfowitz the hatred for Trump expressed -on moral grounds- by people such as yourself is very weird!
There are much worse people to hate and deserving of justice.
Exactly what you were saying. Or you are a terrible communicator. You can choose though. Always surprised at the number of trump supporters that include the statement "I don't like him, but..."
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GenesisCorrupted
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: wolf8312]
#28617545 - 01/11/24 12:01 PM (16 days, 8 hours ago) |
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To answer your question. He should not be eligible for office because he incited an insurrection. In fact, he incited an armed insurrection which got people killed. That is the best reason somebody should not be able to hold office in the world. It is not alleged there’s a plethora of evidence. I don’t wanna wait until the courts make him ineligible after he’s become president again. He needs to not be eligible right now because of the crimes he is currently in court for. He does not need to be found guilty of those crimes right now to no longer be eligible for office.
They are deciding what level of punishment he receives for his crimes that he committed. They are not alleged anymore. Guilty as the day is long.
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Nillion
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Who was it that said a choice between Biden and Trump is like being presented with two bowls full of diarrhea and being told you only have to eat one of the bowls?
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Lynnch]
#28617701 - 01/11/24 02:21 PM (16 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Lynnch said: Who? The antivax nut who decided to run as an independent? Not sure what that has to do with dem primaries.
He only decided to run as an independent when the Dems made it impossible for any other candidate to win the nomination.
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Trump would be irrelevant? Tell that to the republican party. They're the ones who still support him.
Trump already lost to Biden, and he would have lost to Democrats again. The weaponization of the justice system, and the undemocratic way the Dem party operates are going to be their downfall.
You may not agree that the Dems are fundamentally undemocratic (Such as rigging the primary against Bernie, and cancelling the primaries this year), but that's how most people see it.
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sudly
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Lynnch] 1
#28617759 - 01/11/24 03:32 PM (16 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Lynnch said: The republican party does not allow me to vote in their primary in California because I am registered as No-Party.. is that undemocratic?
Thing is, the US constitution is a half-assed patchworked compromise set up on stilts. It did not address laws for how parties to operate, because the founders assumed they would not exist.
It's left up to the states and the parties themselves to determine how those candidates are selected. Even the idea of broad democratic election in primaries is a relatively new invention.
It costs money to run elections, if no one is actively campaigning as a challenger, why would the party hold a vote? You haven't listed any names...
The democratic process, as is currently legal, is that all citizens get a vote on the president (which then goes through a state-by-state bullshit electoral college process) The Democrats are markedly better about expanding that vote to populations, and making it easier, while Republicans openly pass laws to make it harder by creating voter id, getting rid of polling places, and getting rid of mail in voting. Trying to claim that dems are more anti-democratic than reps is fucking laughable.
Not having ranked choice voting is pretty undemocratic in an off itself where your vote can easily not count.
And I'm talking about the DNC not allowing democrat voters to participate in the democratic process. That's an added layer.
You should know who the other candidates are, I don't have to spell out the basics for you. There are several candidates actively campaign who were disqualified from the primary via changes to candidate requirements, or the deadline was serupticously moved a month forward.
I get that what's been done is legal, but bribery is legal too, it is what it is, but it's a shitty system and it's being used to undercut the democratic process.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: wolf8312] 1
#28617761 - 01/11/24 03:34 PM (16 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Trump is liable for fraud, so guilty, it's just a matter of deciding the penalty.
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Bigbadwooof
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GenesisCorrupted said: To answer your question. He should not be eligible for office because he incited an insurrection. In fact, he incited an armed insurrection which got people killed.
It was not an "armed insurrection"... It barely even rose to the level of a riot.
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That is the best reason somebody should not be able to hold office in the world. It is not alleged there’s a plethora of evidence. I don’t wanna wait until the courts make him ineligible after he’s become president again. He needs to not be eligible right now because of the crimes he is currently in court for. He does not need to be found guilty of those crimes right now to no longer be eligible for office.
They should have taken him to court when it happened, instead of waiting til an election year, then.
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His lawyers have been drawing everything out and making everything take as long as possible to try and make sure he becomes president again before he gets punished for any of his crimes. He has been in court. The entire time basically.
He invited people to bring weapons to an insurrection. That’s an armed insurrection. It got way past the point of riot. People committed suicide because of the events. They had to evacuate people out of the building because they were talking about hanging people from a gallows that was erected.
Meanwhile, Trump was just watching all of this happen for hours. Guilty as sin.
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Bigbadwooof
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GenesisCorrupted said: His lawyers have been drawing everything out and making everything take as long as possible to try and make sure he becomes president again before he gets punished for any of his crimes. He has been in court. The entire time basically.
Most, if not all of the charges against Trump were brought this past year.
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He invited people to bring weapons to an insurrection.
Do you have a source for this?
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GenesisCorrupted
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This was all covered in the insurrection hearings. Here’s a link. si=Xt6YWq8c1j0gkNlG
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Nillion
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Indeed, it was reported that Trump tried to get the metal detectors at the capitol turned off.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Nillion] 1
#28617828 - 01/11/24 04:50 PM (16 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Trump, who was reportedly "furious" about the size of the crowd at his rally, said "I don't care that they have weapons. They are not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags (magnetometers) away," according to Hutchinson.
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Nillion
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Trump recently claimed that Letitia James drove Exxon out of New York. They left NY in 1989.
Given his mention of how magnets stop working when wet and that troops took over airports during the revolutionary war... I think it is funny that some people still think he is intelligent or honest or knows what he is talking about.
I've noticed that Trump supporters are like Fans of professional wrestling in several ways.
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Bigbadwooof
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GenesisCorrupted said: This was all covered in the insurrection hearings. Here’s a link. si=Xt6YWq8c1j0gkNlG
That's all well and good, but completely discredited by this:
&ab_channel=AllegraMisereri
They cut the clip short on purpose. You know, I see people all the time say, "We shouldn't try to mind read, and guess at what the president meant, when he says something. We should assume that he means what he says"... Well, he said "Peacefully and Patriotically".
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Nillion
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It's funny when people post a link to Trump talking and think that it means something because they assume he is telling the truth.
In the video he even claims that he is going to be with the crowd. But he wasn't with them when they went to the Capitol. If we are to believe that he tried to join them and was stopped then we have to accept that Cassidy Hutchinson told the truth. If we accept that, then we can claim that Trump supported violence against his own VP, wanted the crowd to be armed and even threw tantrums where he threw his food.
The idea that Trump instructed people to be Peaceful isn't even supported by the video. He just said "I know that you will be ... Peacefully and Patriotically" Yet when he instructs them specifically he said that they cannot take the country back by weakness. Even the video doesn't show what Bigbadwooof thinks it does.
I think Trump people just play dumb and are mostly trolls. I really don't think that people exist on this planet who are dumb enough to believe the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth.
Edited by Nillion (01/11/24 06:19 PM)
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Nillion]
#28618308 - 01/12/24 04:52 AM (15 days, 16 hours ago) |
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I just heard someone call Joe Biden "Genocide-Joe"... Shiiit. That has a nice ring to it. I wonder if Trump will pick up on that one. If "Genocide-Joe" makes it into mainstream conversation, it's not going to be good for Israel!
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treasonous trump.
I like bazooka joe.
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Lynnch said: So.. you answered one question.. but the bigger question of why might have to do with not answering the second question...
A fucking Kennedy was running dude. If it had been a normal primary he probably would have won.
If you're so worried about Trump, you should be upset about the Democrats handing him this election. The way they are going after him in court all over the country is only helping him.
Trump would be irrelevant if he weren't being "persecuted" and saying that dictator for a day shit. The reason he isn't irrelevant, and wasnt in 2016, is because he has the ability to make people's heads explode with his goofy bullshit, and now he gets to play victim too.
Yeah, he's a fucking Kennedy and he was running as a Democrat. If he was a normal Kennedy the party would have rigged it for him not against him; would have been a dream come true even better than Michelle.
Trump and the GOP had a lot of good things to say about RFK JR when he was running against Biden. Not anymore.
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Brian Jones said: Yeah, he's a fucking Kennedy and he was running as a Democrat. If he was a normal Kennedy the party would have rigged it for him not against him; would have been a dream come true even better than Michelle.
In a lot of respects, I think he is a normal Kennedy. The fact of the matter is, the party has changed. Democrats weren't always the hawkish, pro-censorship, authoritarian, undemocratic, corporate asslicking pieces of shit they are today. JFK would be cast as a fringe nutjob nowadays.
Democrats think that they are going to win by pointing out how bad the other guy is, instead of trying to inspire people, and make them want to vote. This has always been a losing strategy.
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (01/12/24 09:36 AM)
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy]
#28618561 - 01/12/24 10:34 AM (15 days, 10 hours ago) |
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mushboy said: treasonous trump.
I like bazooka joe.
Tasts like shit in 5 seconds. Don't know if they still have comics and fortunes. I sent away like 40 wrappers and got a camera.
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Edited by SirTripAlot (01/12/24 10:35 AM)
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