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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28616855 - 01/10/24 08:15 PM (17 days, 39 minutes ago)

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"We're here to defend Democracy folks, not practice it!" - Democrats of America.



Trump has literally been bragging about his dictatorship. Openly talking about it in Townhall meetings. It really is the one or the other, democracy or other.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28617051 - 01/11/24 12:36 AM (16 days, 20 hours ago)

Yeah nah, dems are also cancelling primaries left and right in the face of democracy to protect the decrepit corpse they're trying to prop up.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28617058 - 01/11/24 12:55 AM (16 days, 19 hours ago)

What primaries? Who is running?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #28617064 - 01/11/24 01:06 AM (16 days, 19 hours ago)

North Carolina, New Hampshire, Florida and I believe Tennessee, where dates were unilatirally changed to remove nominees, or committees decided to exclude nominees by altering candidate standards.

People other than Biden were running, but were negged from being on the primary. Even if Biden was poised to win, the democratic process was removed.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: sudly]
    #28617068 - 01/11/24 01:15 AM (16 days, 19 hours ago)

So.. you answered one question.. but the bigger question of why might have to do with not answering the second question...


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Lynnch]
    #28617092 - 01/11/24 01:55 AM (16 days, 18 hours ago)

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So.. you answered one question.. but the bigger question of why might have to do with not answering the second question...




A fucking Kennedy was running dude. If it had been a normal primary he probably would have won.

If you're so worried about Trump, you should be upset about the Democrats handing him this election. The way they are going after him in court all over the country is only helping him.

Trump would be irrelevant if he weren't being "persecuted" and saying that dictator for a day shit. The reason he isn't irrelevant, and wasnt in 2016, is because he has the ability to make people's heads explode with his goofy bullshit, and now he gets to play victim too.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28617110 - 01/11/24 02:21 AM (16 days, 18 hours ago)

He isn’t being persecuted. He’s being prosecuted for his crimes. Are we supposed to just not hold him accountable to law? We needed to bring him up on all of the charges that he’s been racking up his entire presidency. He should not have been eligible to hold office at all.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28617112 - 01/11/24 02:24 AM (16 days, 18 hours ago)

Who? The antivax nut who decided to run as an independent? Not sure what that has to do with dem primaries.


Trump would be irrelevant? Tell that to the republican party. They're the ones who still support him.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28617119 - 01/11/24 02:38 AM (16 days, 18 hours ago)

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If you're so worried about Trump, you should be upset about the Democrats handing him this election. The way they are going after him in court all over the country is only helping him.




Do you understand why I'm pretty convinced you're watching right wing grifter content and being manipulated?
"Don't prosecute trump! Don't talk about his crimes! Don't talk about his authoritarian tendencies! Nooo Nooo Noo stooooop! Leave him alone!!"
Fuck dude, are you really running cover for that dipshit without realizing it?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Lynnch]
    #28617128 - 01/11/24 03:01 AM (16 days, 17 hours ago)

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So.. you answered one question.. but the bigger question of why might have to do with not answering the second question...




The others running.

There are other candidates running.

Does knowing their names mean it's okay to surreptitiously change deadlines or candidate standards to disqualify them?

Given they'd be on the ballot any other year?

Does it make it okay to undermine or outright remove the democratic process if you know the names of the other candidates?

I think the fact you're asking who the other candidates are is telling..

It goes both ways, Trump is poised to win the Republican primary, doesn't mean the other candidates should be removed or have their candidacy undermined.

This works in trumps favour because he can now authentically claim the DNC is undermining the democratic process, because they are.

Not by prosecuting him for the shitshow he's parading around in, but for the fact the DNC isn't allowing people from several states to participate in a democratic vote.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28617146 - 01/11/24 03:49 AM (16 days, 17 hours ago)

The republican party does not allow me to vote in their primary in California because I am registered as No-Party.. is that undemocratic?

Thing is, the US constitution is a half-assed patchworked compromise set up on stilts. It did not address laws for how parties to operate, because the founders assumed they would not exist.

It's left up to the states and the parties themselves to determine how those candidates are selected. Even the idea of broad democratic election in primaries is a relatively new invention.

It costs money to run elections, if no one is actively campaigning as a challenger, why would the party hold a vote? You haven't listed any names...


The democratic process, as is currently legal, is that all citizens get a vote on the president (which then goes through a state-by-state bullshit electoral college process) The Democrats are markedly better about expanding that vote to populations, and making it easier, while Republicans openly pass laws to make it harder by creating voter id, getting rid of polling places, and getting rid of mail in voting. Trying to claim that dems are more anti-democratic than reps is fucking laughable.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28617159 - 01/11/24 04:17 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago)

RFK jr switched to independent and never was going to primary Biden.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28617161 - 01/11/24 04:19 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago)

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He isn’t being persecuted. He’s being prosecuted for his crimes. Are we supposed to just not hold him accountable to law? We needed to bring him up on all of the charges that he’s been racking up his entire presidency. He should not have been eligible to hold office at all.




Why not?

They didn't hold George Bush accountable for the deaths of a million Iraqis! Was anyone in power tried or convicted for Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, for the torture programs, or the crimes revealed by Julian Assange?

How about the crime that is the Assange case itself?

Trumps alleged crimes are a trivial joke compared to the horrors revealed over the last two decades and a blatantly obvious indication (whatever one may think of him or whether or not he is actually guilty) that Trumps prosecution is politically motivated!

At least be honest with yourself about that!

I would be fucking flabbergasted if even Jimmy Carter didn't at least commit a few crimes while in office!

But again alleged crimes not crimes.

Let's at least pretend we are being impartial and objective here!


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #28617164 - 01/11/24 04:23 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago)

LOL, the old he shouldn't be prosecuted because "alleged crimes not crimes".

Question for you?  How do you think "alleged crimes become actual crimes?  In the US this happens by prosecution and conviction
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: wolf8312]
    #28617170 - 01/11/24 04:31 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago)

Millions of Iraqi's weren't killed. It was around like 300k. A war that shouldn't have happened, absolutely, but you don't just get to make things up.

Julian Assange is imprisoned in the UK. What should the US do about that?

Trump has four criminal cases, and like 80 other charges, some of which stem from illegal hush money payments and hoarding of classified documents. Mind you the state of Florida is involved. Of all places, the Repube shithole is charging him. All he had to do was return those documents. How dumb can the guy be? Well we will find out.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28617183 - 01/11/24 04:53 AM (16 days, 16 hours ago)

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LOL, the old he shouldn't be prosecuted because "alleged crimes not crimes".

Question for you?  How do you think "alleged crimes become actual crimes?  In the US this happens by prosecution and conviction
:liottalol:




Where exactly did I say Trump should not be prosecuted because these are alleged crimes?

My point was that Trump has not committed any crimes until he has been convicted after a fair trial. Therefore they are are alleged crimes.

My second point: Even if he is indeed guilty, his alleged crimes are basically meaningless compared to the last twenty years of War On Terror atrocities committed by his presidential contemporaries. And probably most of the presidents before him.

It is this moral selectivity/inconstancy that is IMO indicative that Trumps prosecution is politically motivated and corrupt. Not based on any moral desire to see justice served.

Or do you actually believe his psychopathic and War criminal enemies within the political establishment (democrat and republican btw) really give two shits about morality or justice?

Do you really think that this is what it's all about?

I don't even care for Trump. I don't believe he's a good president and believe he will let a lot of people down, as I don't believe he possesses either the courage or integrity (or power) to save America from the nutcase radical leftists who are tearing the US (and my own country) apart.

I just believe, that whatever Trump may be, compared to the likes of Liz/Dick Cheney or the likes of Jon Bolton, or Paul Wolfowitz the hatred for Trump expressed -on moral grounds- by people such as yourself is very weird!

There are much worse people to hate and deserving of justice.

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #28617193 - 01/11/24 05:04 AM (16 days, 15 hours ago)

So now you contend that trump should not be prosecuted because there are worse people out there?  What a bizarre defense.  You could kill somebody and say, "well I didn't eat them like that other guy, so just let me go on my way" by your logic.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28617199 - 01/11/24 05:10 AM (16 days, 15 hours ago)

The radical left is destroying the world in the most conservative major nation in the world.

Run for your lives!


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: christopera]
    #28617200 - 01/11/24 05:11 AM (16 days, 15 hours ago)

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Millions of Iraqi's weren't killed. It was around like 300k. A war that shouldn't have happened, absolutely, but you don't just get to make things up.




I honestly don't know how many Iraqi's were killed but then neither do you, do you?

I only know that many estimates have put the number at around one million, and am not making anything up!

Maybe I am quoting made up statistics, but then maybe so are you?

How would you know any better than I do?

And either way, is 300 thousand dead Iraqi's (when it gets to that level) really any more or less of a crime than a million?

The true number is clearly ambiguous and probably politically motivated either way (pro US gov lower estimate, Anti US gov higher estimate). 

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On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB International, an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 733,158 to 1,446,063 deaths. The ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded, in fifteen of the eighteen governorates within Iraq, between August 12 and August 19, 2007.[2][3] In comparison, the 2006 Lancet survey suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths) through the end of June 2006. The Lancet authors calculated a range of 392,979 to 942,636 deaths.





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Julian Assange is imprisoned in the UK. What should the US do about that?




Is that what you think?

You are not aware he's been in constant legal battles to avoid being deported to the US?

Surely you are not unaware Assange is being held at the behest of the US authorities that have already won the court case in the UK to extradite him to the US?

He's presently in the process of his final appeal.

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LONDON, Dec 19 (Reuters) - WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange's possible final legal challenge to stop his extradition from Britain to the United States where he is wanted on criminal charges will be held at London's High Court in February, his supporters said on Tuesday.




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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28617204 - 01/11/24 05:14 AM (16 days, 15 hours ago)

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So now you contend that trump should not be prosecuted because there are worse people out there?  What a bizarre defense.  You could kill somebody and say, "well I didn't eat them like that other guy, so just let me go on my way" by your logic.




Again not what I was saying! But I think I'll take Mark Twains advice on this one!


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