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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28554367 - 11/23/23 07:47 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

i saw the movie..

im talkin more of a deliberate state act. on a small scale.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28554392 - 11/23/23 08:04 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Gotcha, well we may be in luck ( or unlucky), just 1.5 trillion.



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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #28554412 - 11/23/23 08:21 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

cant we just go into space and find 'aliens' ???  1.5 trillion fuck me


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28554428 - 11/23/23 08:35 PM (2 months, 3 days ago)

honestly we should drop the bomber fleet and not have that triad.

our submarines are insane technology. generations beyond what they reveal to the public.

mirvs/icmbs can obliterate the entire planet. the bomber aspect seems obsolete:shrug:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28554459 - 11/23/23 09:23 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Bombers are part of deterrence. Multiple delivery methods makes it harder to execute a successful decapitation strike.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28554463 - 11/23/23 09:29 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

that depreciation strike is almost impossible.

i think most people and most nations dont know the real capabilities of us ballistic missile subs.

those few subs alone can topple the entire world. russia is the only adversary thats been able to counter that deterrent and after the performance in ukraine do we even need that triad?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy]
    #28554468 - 11/23/23 09:36 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Yeah, but most of the ballistic sub secrets are location, stealth, and sonar. They provide a mobile launch platform. If an adversary was able to come up with an actually successful ICBM shield, they would be just as useless.

Bombers can deliver dumb nukes.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28554469 - 11/23/23 09:40 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

so can fighter jets:shrug:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28554470 - 11/23/23 09:40 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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I'm sure there are scenarios wherein one or more parties use smallish nukes without triggering the end of humanity.




There are also scenarios where nobody uses a nuke, and one party thinks the other used a nuke.. and everyone dies.

This has almost happened once.



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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy]
    #28554476 - 11/23/23 09:54 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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so can fighter jets:shrug:




Not really. Fighter jets don't have the range. That's the point of bombers. They can fly around the world on a single tank of gas, carrying a heavy load. Fighter jets need the maneuverability.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28554483 - 11/23/23 10:13 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

If Russia viewed NATO as an existential threat, then if Ukraine joined NATO, Russia would have nuked them, right?

And if the US viewed Russia as an existential threat they would have just nuked them too?

So MAD just protects the world from any who view others as existential threats or?

Like seems more plausible if north Korea nuked South Korea.. or even if Israel nuked Gaza, but then the cascade seems inevitable.

Can't imagine a 'small scale' nuclear attack going on without a cascading catastrophe.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28554489 - 11/23/23 10:26 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

MAD theory assumes rational actors. At a nation-state level, that is not a bad assumption. As much as we joke about world leaders, they are still generally some of the smartest people in the room. They wouldn't have gotten to where they are without that.

There are always irrational aspects, however. And those will, with time, override rational responses if they are allowed to flourish. Religion and generational warfare seem to be the biggest culprits. One leads to the belief that you are absolutely right, because God said so. The other leads to martyrdom, or the belief that glorious death is better than life.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28554494 - 11/23/23 10:36 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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MAD theory assumes rational actors. At a nation-state level, that is not a bad assumption. As much as we joke about world leaders, they are still generally some of the smartest people in the room. They wouldn't have gotten to where they are without that.




This is why we shouldn't have leaders with obvious, serious cognitive decline, like Biden. Also, you're going to have leaders like Kim Jong Un, who inherited their position, and could turn out to be very irrational.

Overall though, I think nuclear bombs have prevented millions of deaths, because of MAD... They have prevented wars between powerful nations. Wars that would have been fucking brutal and terrible.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28554497 - 11/23/23 10:41 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

People keep saying Biden is in serious mental decline, but he really doesn't seem like it. Seems pretty slight, actually. His opponent for the presidency, on the other hand, seems like he's in serious mental decline. That dude's raving about shit that never happened.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28554499 - 11/23/23 10:44 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

They're both in mental decline, trump just has more vigour to his wackiness.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: sudly]
    #28554500 - 11/23/23 10:45 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

I'm pretty sure he's got more vigor to his decline, too.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28554515 - 11/23/23 11:12 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

True that, Biden's a stale corpse, and trump is like onè on the electric chair.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28554553 - 11/24/23 01:11 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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People keep saying Biden is in serious mental decline, but he really doesn't seem like it. Seems pretty slight, actually. His opponent for the presidency, on the other hand, seems like he's in serious mental decline. That dude's raving about shit that never happened.




Apparently you haven't seen the clips of Biden talking about the man on the moon and shit. He literally just starts incoherently rambling about shit that is totally unrelated to the questions asked him. I mean... I know you probably won't watch it, because it's hard to watch, but I could show you clips of Biden that make it incontrovertibly clear that he is much further down the road of cognitive decline than Trump.

Biden wouldn't be able to sit and do an hour and a half long interview, like the ones Trump is doing, and answer every question in a coherent manner. Now, I'm not saying Trump isn't slipping, but I haven't seen anything remotely close to Biden. The fact that anyone is comparing these two blows my mind. They are not comparable.

Trump has always been a bloviating retard. He always will be.

If you disagree with me, lets wait til the presidential debates. It's going to be a straight shit show, if Biden has to debate anyone. Period. That's why they changed the rules of the primary, to prevent anyone from running against him. Democrats would rather have Trump in office than have a Democrat who is committed to real change.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28554555 - 11/24/23 01:15 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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cant we just go into space and find 'aliens' ???  1.5 trillion fuck me




Most underrated comment.


:justastonishing::asianofapproval:

Let's do it.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #28554667 - 11/24/23 06:02 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)



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