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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 2
    #26530792 - 03/12/20 11:19 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

That argument is so facially absurd that it's hardly worth addressing.  A brick, if modified properly, has the potential to kill thousands of people.  You are being intellectually dishonest, and you're weakening your position.  If you want to use weak arguments, feel free.  I'm only trying to help you improve your rhetoric.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530819 - 03/12/20 11:27 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

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For starters, the lack of a wooden stock allows one to install a folding/retractable stock, or perhaps a recoil-absorbing stock, allowing for the firearm to be more easily transported into an area where humans are without being noticed.  Further, recoil-absorbing stocks allow one to rapid fire more accurately. .



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That argument is so facially absurd that it's hardly worth addressing.  A brick, if modified properly, has the potential to kill thousands of people.  You are being intellectually dishonest, and you're weakening your position.  If you want to use weak arguments, feel free.  I'm only trying to help you improve your rhetoric.



You brought modifications to the discussion.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #26530836 - 03/12/20 11:40 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

No.  Many AR-15s include a folding stock.  Don't pretend otherwise.  You know as well as I do that when we talk about an ar-15, we are not talking about a specific model of rifle.  We're talking about a large group of firearms that includes many different variations.  That's not modifications.

To say that a browning hunting rifle can be modified to be like an AR-15 is to say that a brick can be modified to be a bomb.  Sure....it CAN be done.  Again, this is where intellectual honesty comes into play.  As a rational person, you know the difference.  You're pretending the difference doesn't exist in the hope that your audience won't know.  That's the very essence of intellectual dishonesty.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530849 - 03/12/20 11:48 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

Bro if I just had the materials, machinery, and intricate knowledge on how to construct modern military-grade weaponry from scratch, I could just make my own machine gun, so what's even the point of gun laws at all?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530856 - 03/12/20 11:50 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

The ar15 is just a poster child for gun control. It got a lot of press after that shooting and now they use it as an example of over-the-top “self defense” guns.

Not like people hunt with it, right? It’s pretty easy to argue that you don’t need it for protection, just because you can protect yourself just as well with a handgun.
It’s not like Democrats think it’s more dangerous. It’s just dem politicians trying to get a win in the form of SOME kind of ban.

Idk how I feel about guns tbh, but I have heard a total of 1 good arguments against banning them - guns are fun. They cool AF. :shrug:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: feldman114]
    #26530866 - 03/12/20 11:54 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

How about the argument that it's a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution? 

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Idk how I feel about guns tbh, but I have heard a total of 1 good arguments against banning them - guns are fun. They cool AF. :shrug:



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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #26530871 - 03/12/20 11:56 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

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Bro if I just had the materials, machinery, and intricate knowledge on how to construct modern military-grade weaponry from scratch, I could just make my own machine gun, so what's even the point of gun laws at all?



If you ban the AR-15, you also have to ban iron ore, because iron ore can be modified into an AR-15.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530888 - 03/12/20 12:06 PM (4 months, 1 hour ago)

I personally believe I need a ar-15. Go to youtube and watch the videos of people breaking into houses! A lot of times there's 2-4 people that break into the house in the middle of the night and they all have weapons. Would you really want to protect your family with 10 rounds? Imagine if you had to use something like a M&P shield against a couple armed robbers! You would be so fucked! Sure you could use a shotgun but a lot of women have trouble handling one.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530900 - 03/12/20 12:09 PM (4 months, 1 hour ago)

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How about the argument that it's a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution? 

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Idk how I feel about guns tbh, but I have heard a total of 1 good arguments against banning them - guns are fun. They cool AF. :shrug:



Can you find a better argument against banning drugs?




Well wasn’t the right to own people constitutional too? I’m sure there will be amendments added in the future - why not something to decrease the availability of guns?

There’s no better argument against drugs. It IS a good argument though. Why should I have less fun? It’s not hurting anyone else and blah, blah
Same with guns. Just one difference...why have legal concealed carry? For civilians I mean. If you drive an armored truck for a living, fine. But if you’re a pencil pusher, what reason do you have for carrying everywhere? How is that fun?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: feldman114]
    #26530946 - 03/12/20 12:28 PM (4 months, 1 hour ago)

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How about the argument that it's a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution? 

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feldman114 said:
Idk how I feel about guns tbh, but I have heard a total of 1 good arguments against banning them - guns are fun. They cool AF. :shrug:



Can you find a better argument against banning drugs?




Well wasn’t the right to own people constitutional too? I’m sure there will be amendments added in the future - why not something to decrease the availability of guns?

There’s no better argument against drugs. It IS a good argument though. Why should I have less fun? It’s not hurting anyone else and blah, blah
Same with guns. Just one difference...why have legal concealed carry? For civilians I mean. If you drive an armored truck for a living, fine. But if you’re a pencil pusher, what reason do you have for carrying everywhere? How is that fun?




There's lots of good reasons to carry a fucking gun. What world do you live in? Jesus christ!!! I can only imagine what some of you are like in real life.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: feldman114]
    #26530955 - 03/12/20 12:33 PM (4 months, 1 hour ago)

All the human's and animals are perfect little angels. There's no way any of them would ever try to kill or rape anyone. Are you fucking insane lol?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: feldman114]
    #26530960 - 03/12/20 12:35 PM (4 months, 1 hour ago)

There never was a constitutional right to own slaves.

And why not have concealed carry? What is the harm?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: feldman114]
    #26531164 - 03/12/20 02:38 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

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feldman114 said: For civilians I mean. If you drive an armored truck for a living, fine. But if you’re a pencil pusher, what reason do you have for carrying everywhere? How is that fun?





For lack of a better word this is a retarded thing to say. I hope you get run up on and stabbed a few times in the street. Then you'll understand why we regular people carry. Do you really think that methhead around the corner cares about who you are. I know people that would kill you for pocket change.

You'd be all like no please I don't want to die! Then you would say damn he was right. I'm an idiot for not taking basic measures to defend myself. Then he would continue stabbing you to death.

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 3
    #26531188 - 03/12/20 02:52 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

You realisticly think you could react in time to shoot a methhead waiting for you with a knife around the corner? :smilingpuppy:

The only thing that can defeat an evil methhead with a knife waiting around a corner is a good methhead with a knife waiting around a corner


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: twighead]
    #26531204 - 03/12/20 02:57 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Oh yeah your right there's nothing you can do might as well lay down and die right.  :rofl:

I don't know about you guys but I value my life way more than I do a methheads. Or anyone that's trying to kill me for that matter. Lol

Methheads are fucking crazy


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 4
    #26531240 - 03/12/20 03:12 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Yeah just saying - it's hard to defend yourself with a gun from someone charging at you close range - you stand a better chance knowing melee defense than dicking around with trying to get a weapon out.

There's circumstances where being armed is very beneficial no doubt - but a sudden knife-wielding attacker at short range isn't one of them :lol:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: twighead]
    #26531255 - 03/12/20 03:21 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

So you would just rather not have a gun at all in that scenario? Your gonna Jackie chan the knife out of his hands. nice

I mean I know some self defense meelee training wouldn't hurt but that doesn't change the point I made at all. I would also like to correct you in that most circumstances being like 90% of the time you would benefit from carrying one on you.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 4
    #26531373 - 03/12/20 04:30 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Police go by the rule of over 21 feet being the amount of distance one wants when planning on (effectively) pulling a gun on someone with a knife - and that's with their training. That's pretty far. So yeah, I'll take my melee self-defense skills over trying to shoot someone under that much pressure/time crunch. Not sure where you come up with the 90% statistic though. Lol.

Again like I said there are instances where it could be useful. I really don't feel the need to carry one right now.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: twighead]
    #26531379 - 03/12/20 04:44 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

There’s no real hand to hand  defense against a knife attack dude . It’s extremely difficult to stop the stabbing motion without being stabbed .


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: twighead] * 1
    #26531380 - 03/12/20 04:46 PM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Obviously it'll do no good to argue with you so I digress. Have fun getting mugged and having your corpse jerked off upon by the neighborhood hobos. All because your to good to carry a gun. Lol

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