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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26530325 - 03/12/20 06:00 AM (4 months, 7 hours ago)

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Why would you think an AR15 is somehow worse then any other semiautomatic rifle? Because it's well designed? do linguini it adds some killing property?



 
Would the shooter in Vegas have achieved the same result using another firearm that can be as easily purchased ? 59 dead , 413  wounded .


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26530373 - 03/12/20 07:08 AM (4 months, 6 hours ago)

New is a support group for Biden.....

Pedophiles for Biden...  PIB  :smirk:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #26530392 - 03/12/20 07:19 AM (4 months, 6 hours ago)

Are you the one who started it ?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26530405 - 03/12/20 07:32 AM (4 months, 6 hours ago)

He likes sniffing babies and wants to take our guns away. That's a fools errand

Look at Brazil and how well that went for them. As far as banning AR-15s I could achieve the same result with an automatic .22. You'd be surprised what a .22 would do to someone with good shot placement.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26530546 - 03/12/20 09:24 AM (4 months, 4 hours ago)

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Why would you think an AR15 is somehow worse then any other semiautomatic rifle? Because it's well designed? do linguini it adds some killing property?



 
Would the shooter in Vegas have achieved the same result using another firearm that can be as easily purchased ? 59 dead , 413  wounded .



He could have, there’s nothing special about the ar-15.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26530549 - 03/12/20 09:25 AM (4 months, 4 hours ago)

I don’t think a 22 lr has the energy at 400yrds to achieve that result . How good are you at that distance in the dark with a 22 ?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 4
    #26530553 - 03/12/20 09:31 AM (4 months, 4 hours ago)

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He could have, there’s nothing special about the ar-15.




  Ok so banning them shouldn’t be a problem then , you can fight govt tyranny with a 22 according  to ovoidhunter .


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26530559 - 03/12/20 09:36 AM (4 months, 4 hours ago)

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He could have, there’s nothing special about the ar-15.




  Ok so banning them shouldn’t be a problem then , you can fight govt tyranny with a 22 according  to ovoidhunter .



I don’t think they should be singled out since there’s nothing unique about them but really, I don’t give a shit either way. I’ve shot several of them and have been thoroughly unimpressed by them and it definitely wouldn’t be my first choice for home defense.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26530561 - 03/12/20 09:37 AM (4 months, 4 hours ago)

Not in those circumstances. Maby in a crowded Walmart on Black Friday or something I would do pretty good. My point is it's not very difficult to kill people with a 22lr.

Even if you were to make owning an AR illegal. Just like EVERYTHING else it would still be available for purchase. The only difference is the sell wouldn't be regulated by the government it would be by criminals to criminals. Then they would have the supreme firepower over us lowly civilians.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #26530574 - 03/12/20 09:44 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

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Why would you think an AR15 is somehow worse then any other semiautomatic rifle? Because it's well designed? do linguini it adds some killing property?




This is truly a stupid argument.  The AR-15 is superior to many semiautomatic rifles at killing human beings.  You don't really think they spend the money to make it look that way solely for aesthetics, do you?  There are plenty of things that make an AR-15 more desirable as an anti-personnel firearm.

That doesn't mean it should be banned, of course, but to rest your argument on a clearly false factual basis doesn't help your case, and it makes you look like a biased source of information.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530585 - 03/12/20 09:48 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

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Why would you think an AR15 is somehow worse then any other semiautomatic rifle? Because it's well designed? do linguini it adds some killing property?




This is truly a stupid argument.  The AR-15 is superior to many semiautomatic rifles at killing human beings.  You don't really think they spend the money to make it look that way solely for aesthetics, do you?  There are plenty of things that make an AR-15 more desirable as an anti-personnel firearm.

That doesn't mean it should be banned, of course, but to rest your argument on a clearly false factual basis doesn't help your case, and it makes you look like a biased source of information.



So what makes the ar-15 unique?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26530587 - 03/12/20 09:49 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

Nothing.  It's not unique at all.  Did someone argue that it was unique?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530592 - 03/12/20 09:50 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

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Nothing.  It's not unique at all.  Did someone argue that it was unique?



Then why is it more effective for killing?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530601 - 03/12/20 09:54 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

You can't sit here and tell me this wouldn't fuck someone up. I mean all it takes is a short burst.




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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #26530611 - 03/12/20 09:58 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

It's not, necessarily.  It's more effective at killing humans, however, because of several design features.  For starters, the lack of a wooden stock allows one to install a folding/retractable stock, or perhaps a recoil-absorbing stock, allowing for the firearm to be more easily transported into an area where humans are without being noticed.  Further, recoil-absorbing stocks allow one to rapid fire more accurately.  The low weight and shorter overall length allow the weapon to be panned faster across a field to switch targets more readily, or for use in tighter spaces.

There are plenty of other design features that are helpful as well, many of which make it a superior firearm for use against a human target and/or multiple targets.  Deer typically do not recognize a firearm by sight and do not take defensive actions designed to stop people from using a firearm.  Humans, for whatever reason, tend to actively avoid having a firearm aimed at them.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530641 - 03/12/20 10:10 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

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It's not, necessarily.  It's more effective at killing humans, however, because of several design features.  For starters, the lack of a wooden stock allows one to install a folding/retractable stock, or perhaps a recoil-absorbing stock, allowing for the firearm to be more easily transported into an area where humans are without being noticed.  Further, recoil-absorbing stocks allow one to rapid fire more accurately.  The low weight and shorter overall length allow the weapon to be panned faster across a field to switch targets more readily, or for use in tighter spaces.

There are plenty of other design features that are helpful as well, many of which make it a superior firearm for use against a human target and/or multiple targets.  Deer typically do not recognize a firearm by sight and do not take defensive actions designed to stop people from using a firearm.  Humans, for whatever reason, tend to actively avoid having a firearm aimed at them.



Those things can be done to other rifles too. Sure the ar has a huge aftermarket support making it easier to modify but that doesn’t make it more effective than a similarly setup gun of a different make or model.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #26530652 - 03/12/20 10:15 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

Of course, any firearm can be made/modified at any time.  The question was "Why would you think an AR15 is somehow worse then any other semiautomatic rifle?"  You have an answer.  You may not like that answer, but there are things that make the AR-15 worse than some other rifles.  That's why it's a dead-end argument.  Most whataboutisms are. 

If you want to argue that a ban isn't appropriate, there are tons of solid arguments for that without pretending that an AR-15 is somehow exactly like a browning hunting rifle.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530712 - 03/12/20 10:36 AM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

One would think logically - that the rifle that is most closely modeled after the rifle that the military has decided is the best rifle to kill people with for the last 60 years would have some aspects that make it good at killing people. JUST SAYIN.

And if I were going for a really effective medium-range anti-personnel weapon I'd probably settle on something along that line as well.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: twighead]
    #26530721 - 03/12/20 10:40 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

I have been arguing against gun-control and "assault weapon bans" for years, and it annoys the fuck out of me when people rely on stupid arguments.  There are so many good ones.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
    #26530782 - 03/12/20 11:14 AM (4 months, 2 hours ago)

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Of course, any firearm can be made/modified at any time.  The question was "Why would you think an AR15 is somehow worse then any other semiautomatic rifle?"  You have an answer.  You may not like that answer, but there are things that make the AR-15 worse than some other rifles.  That's why it's a dead-end argument.  Most whataboutisms are. 

If you want to argue that a ban isn't appropriate, there are tons of solid arguments for that without pretending that an AR-15 is somehow exactly like a browning hunting rifle.



If you wanted to argue that in stock form the ar-15 can be more effective than some other guns you might be right but as you said, any gun can be modified and since there is nothing unique about the ar that can’t be done to other rifles it’s potential to kill is no better.


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