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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #28444647 - 08/24/23 02:29 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

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Hawaiians mad at Biden over his response to fires? Nope that’s actually Russian/Chinese disinformation.

https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1693342763490906427?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw




He escaped his home again. They oughta build a fake bus stop by the Whitehouse.



The cringe is embarrassing.. it's like he's having a stroke.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28453618 - 08/31/23 01:20 PM (4 months, 25 days ago)

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My politics are as left as they come (Traditional left... Not authoritarian.. megalomaniacal hawk left).. And I would rather vote for Ron Paul than Biden.




Someone, please tell me where this "traditional left" thing is coming from, is that a jimmy dore creation?? What does it even mean???
Is Ron Paul even running anymore?




Tradition leftist politics... I'll give you the rundown.

I support government sponsored college, government sponsored healthcare, free speech, gay rights, abortion rights, personal liberty (including gun rights, honestly), CRIMINAL "JUSTICE" REFORM, wildlife protection efforts, etc.

That's the traditional left politics. Not identity politics.

And yes, I love Jimmy Dore.




The only person with that platform is Marriane Williamson. It's not one supported by anyone who calls themself a Democrat, it's a progressive policy platform.

Left right whatever, most people support and want a progressive policy agenda.

You can name any politician other than Marriane and I'll show you why they don't support the platform.

Also, Trump did increase drone strikes by 400% and almost STARTED WW3 by assassinating an Iranian general at the start of his term.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #28453845 - 08/31/23 04:45 PM (4 months, 25 days ago)

He obviously hasn't listened to her current candidacy because he'd know how woo woo he sounds calling her woo woo this time around.

Nothing but smears on her. People will attack her character and say she's a grifter because she wrote a book, there haven't been any legitimate criticisms of her so far, fruit cake vagina is more reflective of who says it.

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: koods] * 1
    #28454432 - 09/01/23 01:37 AM (4 months, 24 days ago)

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sudly said:
He obviously hasn't listened to her current candidacy because he'd know how woo woo he sounds calling her woo woo this time around.

Nothing but smears on her. People will attack her character and say she's a grifter because she wrote a book, there haven't been any legitimate criticisms of her so far, fruit cake vagina is more reflective of who says it.

@Benson
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I didn’t just make that up out of thin air. I watched one of her videos where she was talking about the energy that radiates from her vagina. She’s a fruitcake




You 100% just made up talk of radiating fruit cake vagina energy. I know you won't quote against this because you can't.

Listening to her talk policy, she's the only likable politician there is running.

No other candidates are likable in this regard to anyone who cares about being represented by their candidate, instead of them prostituting themselves to the highest bidder.

Everyone but Marriane is prostituting themselves to their donors, even Vivek has ties to dark money billionaires with venture capitalists.

Marriane is the most likeable candidate there is, she actually sounds human in interviews, far far more likeable than the robotic bobble heads who just debated on the Republican side.

In the video of her you shared,

She's talking about the afterlife, that it can be stressful to think about the afterlife, and that being grateful for what we have is healthy.

She's trying to help religious people cope with cancer or terminal illness. She says that sometimes medicines can help, and that sometimes they can only try to find inner peace.

I'm not religious at all and don't believe in the afterlife, I'm a Darwinian at heart, but even I can hear that she cares and is trying to console people around the issue of death, well might I add.

When she talks about policy she's extremely likable, I understand not having the patience to hear her talk religiously, but when push comes to shove on difficult issues like how to console someone who's terminally ill, she gives a good response. 

How has Biden responded to questions around terminal illness? Has he ever been asked or addressed the issue himself?

Have any other politicians addressed the question of how to console someone who's terminally ill, or attempted in the very least?!


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: sudly]
    #28454434 - 09/01/23 01:52 AM (4 months, 24 days ago)

This is the closest I could find to Biden trying to console people after the recent Hawaii fires.

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Biden's first wife, Neilia, and their 1-year-old daughter, Naomi, died in a car accident in 1972. He lost an adult son, Beau, to brain cancer in 2015.

'When things look the most bleak, that's when we need faith,' said Biden, who spent 70 minutes after his remarks speaking with community members.

He told how first responders supported him after Neilia's death, and praised those involved in the Hawaii tragedy.

At another stop, he referenced the 2004 fire at his Wilmington, Delaware home.

'I don't want to compare difficulties but we have a little sense, Jill and I, of what it's like to lose a home,' said Biden.

'Years ago, now 15 years ago, while I was in Washington doing Meet The Press, it was a sunny Sunday and lightning struck at home on a little lake outside our home - not a lake, a pond.'

He said the spark went through the wires and into the heating ducts, and into the kitchen.

'To make a long story short, I almost my wife, my 67 Corvette, and my cat.

'But all kidding aside - I watched the firefighters, the way they responded.'

It is an anecdote that Biden often tells at times of tragedy. Firefighters arrived to heavy smoke but were able to keep the flames contained to the kitchen.

'Luckily, we got it pretty early,' Cranston Heights Fire Company Chief George Lamborn said at the time.

'The fire was under control in 20 minutes.'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12431209/amp/Hawaii-fires-Joe-Biden-tour-joke-damage-deaths.html




It's still not a direct response to how to console people who are terminally ill and I would love to hear how likable people think he is based on how he responded to such a specific question. Or any other politicians for that matter.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: koods]
    #28455612 - 09/02/23 02:17 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

I stand uncorrected.

Unfortunately every politician has a biblical side to them.

I prefer her policy oriented half, infact I prefer the policy oriented portion of any politician. Fuck the faith I say.

It's like watching a loon bin when elected officials rub their hands on a bible or talk of it.

I think that likability is just such a benign and useless descriptor so as to be meaningless. I get America likes the characature of the strong man, the trump like figure where nothing he says or does matters as long as he doesn't break character, but when all the bullshit is boiled away the majority of the populace actually cares about the economic policies that effect them, and they want someone who will represent it.

You might cry likability, but the likability of said progressive policies is already settled.

Because Biden doesn't have likability, he was just less of a bowl of turds than the other guy and was the only other option propped onto the stage.

Biden's likability is the lesser or two evils.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28455623 - 09/02/23 03:33 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

"She won't win any other elected position"  :lol:

Cus 'likability' :rolleyes:

You can say that about anyone.

Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar didn't have likability, nor did they stand for anything.

What's likable in a politician is when they stand for something.

I understand what the perception of likability and electability means in an election, and it's important to recognise that legacy media plays a major role in shaping that image.

Quote:

What Does “Likability” and “Electability” Mean?

Likability is a key component of electability along with establishing a candidate’s qualifications. Often seen together, likability and electability refer to how a candidate is perceived by a voter and whether or not that voter believes they can win an election.




Economic policy is all that anyone cares about in the end, but if you can smear over that with made up culture wars anyone has a chance.

Stay away from the substance and no one rocks the boat. It's the way it is, keep the blinders on, don't look outside the window, nothing will ever change, don't try. :tinfoil:

Perhaps you want to protect people from putting too much hope into something that likely won't pan out, but you can say that instead of dismissing everything outright.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28456430 - 09/02/23 08:08 PM (4 months, 23 days ago)

The attempt to outright dismiss her based on past comments is weak and doesn't address and of the political substance of her 2024 campaign. All public figures who talk about spirituality can be called charlatans, because none of it is real, she wrote books, and did a lot of work to support the aids community.

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But Williamson wasn’t anti-medicine or anti-science, Schaefer says. “For many of us, you pray, and one of the ways God responds is through medicine and science,” he said. “It’s not one or the other. … We used to pray for a medical solution to AIDS,” and when AZT finally showed promise as a treatment for HIV, “Marianne embraced it. We all did.”




She talked about visualising AIDS as something positive. She also supported the AIDS community.

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She also claimed that AIDS “can be thought of as ‘Angels-In-Darth Vader-Suits,” writing: “Here are some enlightened visualizations: Imagine the AIDS virus as Darth Vader, and then unzip his suit to allow an angel to emerge.

“See the cancer cell or AIDS virus in all its wounded horror, and then see a golden light, or angel, or Jesus, enveloping the cell and transforming it from darkness into light.

“A scream responds best to love. That is when it calms down. That is when it stops.”

Elsewhere in the book Williamson did urge patients to continue seeking medical treatment, adding: “Does that mean that it is a mistake to take medicine? Absolutely not… but the healing doesn’t come from the pill. It comes from our belief.”




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She wrote: “If you ever read an article saying that I told people with AIDS they didn’t have to take their medicine because positive thinking would cure it; or that I ever told people who got sick that negative thinking caused it; please know both those things are complete and utter lies.

”Williamson added: “Let’s state it again. I’m pro medicine. I’m pro science. I’ve never told anyone not to take medicine.”

She added: “The machinery of mischaracterization is in high gear now. Gee, did I upset someone?”




The attempt to dig back 30 years to find something to smear her with is sad and doesn't address the current situation, it's a throw of hands in the air.

This article ironically talks of how likable she is and the political powerhouse she has the potential to be, then throws its hands up in the air like a good legacy media bobble head.

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Publishing a book in 1992 called A Return to Love where she said that “cancer and Aids and other physical illnesses are physical manifestations of a psychic scream … sickness is an illusion and does not actually exist.” (She’s since said that she’s pro-medicine and pro-science.)

Unsurprisingly, Williamson’s presidential campaign isn’t being taken remotely seriously by the media or the White House. The Biden administration has laughed off any idea that she’s a proper contender – when the White House press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, was asked about Williamson’s political aspirations in March she joked about not having “a crystal ball”.

It’s certainly easy to make fun of Williamson but, while she’s said a lot of questionable things, it’s wrong to dismiss the author as a joke. When she’s not talking about the “power of the mind” Williamson has a lot to say about institutional inequality, the need for universal healthcare, the problems with capitalism, the importance of cancelling student debt, and the complacency of the Democratic establishment. And guess what? An awful lot of young people are listening. Williamson’s very left-leaning videos draw millions of views on TikTok and her speeches often go viral.

“If engagement on TikTok is any indication, a Democratic presidential primary held today among people under 50 would result in a landslide for the bestselling author now making her second bid for the nomination,” the Intercept recently noted. And it’s not just TikTok where Williamson is popular: the Intercept further notes that “a recent poll found Williamson hovering above 20% with voters under 30”. Which is a lot better than she was doing in 2020 and is pretty impressive when you consider what a political outsider she is.

Then again, of course, it’s the very fact that Williamson is a political outsider that makes her so popular among young people. Williamson has an energy and urgency that is severely lacking in the Democratic party. And she’s not shy about calling the Democrats out for their complacency.

Even without a crystal ball, I think we all know that Williamson has zero chance of being in the White House – and I’m certainly not advocating that she should be. But wouldn’t it be nice if the White House adopted some of her energy and a few of her ideas about structural reform? Williamson’s popularity on TikTok isn’t some insignificant online phenomenon – it’s a sign of how disillusioned young people feel with the current system. Establishment Democrats have long preached incrementalism as the only way to move forwards but, when it comes to things like women’s rights, we only seem to be moving backwards. Marianne Williamson isn’t the answer to America’s woes but her TikTok popularity should have the Democrats asking a lot of questions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/29/marianne-williamson-popularity-young-democrats




Biden plagiarised 30 years ago.

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The collapse had begun 11 days earlier, with news that Biden had lifted phrases and mannerisms from a British Labour Party politician while making closing remarks at a debate. Examples soon surfaced of Biden using material from other politicians without attribution, and he acknowledged he had been accused of plagiarism in law school. To make matters worse, a video emerged of Biden exaggerating his academic record while speaking angrily to a voter in New Hampshire.

“I made some mistakes,” Biden, then a U.S. senator, told the press as he announced the end of his candidacy, in a speech that was by turns regretful and defiant. “But now, the exaggerated shadow of those mistakes has begun to obscure the essence of my candidacy and the essence of Joe Biden.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/echoes-of-bidens-1987-plagiarism-scandal-continue-to-reverberate/2019/06/05/dbaf3716-7292-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html




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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28456584 - 09/02/23 11:22 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

It's okay if you think only the people who got us into the mess of a system we have can get us out of it after decades of incrementalism.

If you have any hope left that anyone behind the reigns of power will lead change without paving a new road you are lost.

The only hope is in paving a new road and no one but Marriane has espoused they will.

And you must be on pills to think that comments from 30 years ago ring true today. Or that there is no broader context behind them.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28456686 - 09/03/23 06:28 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

She's the least dangerous candidate to all who wants Medicare for all. No other candidates has that and they are there for all far more dangerous to human life than  Marriane, she's the only one trying to save it.

I find it telling you haven't touched a policy of hers.

She's dangerous to those in power, she's dangerous to the established system, she's dangerous for defying to pave a new road to lead us out of the shit hole all the others want to stay in. She wants to drain the swamp.

Anyone who paid attention knew Trump didn't mean it and never proposed it, Marriane is doing the opposite.

A fear of trump turning was evident in how he never made proposals to follow his promises. Marriane has strong policy proposals and can back them up with facts. When you cant handle the debate stage you digress to smears.

Try to step up here.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28456701 - 09/03/23 06:55 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Moving the goalposts way beyond the requirements of a debate stage now are we :rolleyes:

Would you at least want to watch Joe Biden debate Marianne Williamson?

When you talk of 'the party' I presume you mean the DNC.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28456728 - 09/03/23 07:42 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Being president is having the political clout to get it done, you build support by having a policy platform that people desire and align with.

You represent in a representative democracy, and if you fail to recognise that only the policies of Marianne do that then it's on you.

A lot of people don't care about policy, but more of them do, and when push comes to shove and you actually expose people to the differences of a candidates policy platform they are swayed.

Do you want to see a debate between Marianne Williamson and Joe Biden?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28456783 - 09/03/23 08:24 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Sure.  That is true.  If you want to make major policy moves, you need overwhelming public support.  Support that needs to manifest in down ballot victories.  Given the types of criticism levelled against Williamson in just this forum, which as mentioned by another poster, one might expect to be MORE favorable to her than the public at large, why would you think she is capable of achieving that type of political mandate?




If certain policy moves have overwhelming public support, the candidate should run on them.

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As far as a debate between her and Biden, if she polls enough to be relevant, then sure.  Personally, I find debates to be a waste of time for a variety of reasons.




This says so much about you. You should be paying enough attention to know she is qualified to be on the debate stage, and should recognise the value of candidates having a debate.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: rxb] * 1
    #28456791 - 09/03/23 08:29 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

A majority of Republicans support things like  paid parental leave,  raising the minimum wage, universal background checks and federal legalisation of marijuana to name a few.

You see, I want to see a debate between them, anyone who believes in a candidates merit should want to see them debate their policy platform.

The outcome of that is what would be convincing either way.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28456793 - 09/03/23 08:32 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Ice9 said:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx

Do we consider 57% overwhelming?  It's a plurality, sure :shrug:




I shouldn't have to spell it out for you but okay.

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Majority Support:

Majority support means that more than 50% of the total votes or opinions are in favor of a particular option or policy.

Plurality Support:

Plurality support means that a particular option or policy has received more votes or support than any other option but does not necessarily have more than 50% of the total votes.




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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28456802 - 09/03/23 08:39 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Where do you want to put the goal posts to consider the majority support of a policy proposal as overwhelming?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28456806 - 09/03/23 08:41 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Overwhelming is a majority over 50%.

When you answer this, try to show me you support the idea of a representative democracy.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Ice9]
    #28456825 - 09/03/23 08:52 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Aplurality can include things with over 50% :facepalm:




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in some cases, a plurality winner might still have more than 50% support compared to other options (though not necessarily compared to the total votes). This is a nuanced aspect of voting systems, and it's essential to clarify whether the discussion is about relative support among options or whether it's about achieving an absolute majority of overall support. The distinction can be crucial in political debates and decision-making processes.




We are talking about the absolute majority of overall support.

A push to end the filibuster is not unheard of.

And 80% sounds far from the 60% you might need with a filibuster in place and no use of executive orders. That said, gerrymandering and pork barreling are serious issues too. 

I think that bringing up procedural obstacles like the filibuster is a great point and a part of the system that can have policy proposals debated around it.

A lot of people like to highlight the importance of compromise and building broad coalitions to advance significant policies, but when bipartisan work bypasses the majority support for policy proposals, it needs to be pointed out.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28456826 - 09/03/23 08:55 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Just gonna chime in here and say ‘public support’ is way down the list of reasons to enact policy.




I'm glad you're honest enough to say it.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28456860 - 09/03/23 09:09 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

The president can advocate for and use their position to push for legislative action.

What do you think Trump or Biden have managed to accomplish with executive orders?


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