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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26553804 - 03/23/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm just wondering. I think Bernie is the best candidate, and I would give my vote to him well before Biden. But, let's say Biden is the one on the ticket. Would you all rather be able to say that you didn't vote for Biden, or vote Trump out of office? Should the perfect be the enemy of the good?
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Do you think it would do more harm than another four years of Trump? Forget TDS; he's not exactly been great for the country. Look at our preparedness for a pandemic.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26553826 - 03/23/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: perfect should not be the enemy of good but neither should that argument be used as often as it is to justify not rising to meet the moment. If we always fall for it, we'll continue our downward slide.
Well reality is often very disappointing. Sometimes we have to select the least harmful option available.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26553830 - 03/23/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I'm just wondering. I think Bernie is the best candidate, and I would give my vote to him well before Biden. But, let's say Biden is the one on the ticket. Would you all rather be able to say that you didn't vote for Biden, or vote Trump out of office? Should the perfect be the enemy of the good?
Some will vote for Trump, some might vote for Biden because they think it's the lesser evil. I think plenty will just not vote at all, or will write in bullshit (like Bernie) and void their vote 
Yeah, I think we'll have a repeat of 2016. Nobody under 30 will vote. Imo voting Trump out of office is important. At least one wouldn't have to vote for Hillary again.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26553832 - 03/23/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Sometimes, but not every time. Sometimes the lesson is more important.
Well, with any other incumbent I might say that. Trump is the worst president in the history of the republic, but any standard. GWB is now second, which is sad.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really! [Re: koods] 2
#27023524 - 11/05/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Biden has to win 70% of the remaining uncounted votes to win PA, and he has been winning 78% so far...
Only down by 9,000 now in GA.
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BallHairDandruf said: yea so if trump loses georgia is there any chance of him winning?
What he absolutely has to win is Pennsylvania. There are multiple paths, but that is his one must-have.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil] 1
#27045207 - 11/18/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Well, the real issue is the blue shift in places like Arizona. Population centers are more democrat, and Phoenix is only going to move further that direction. Georgia's flip was largely about cities as well. Republicans have been doing okay because of the advantage that the electoral college and senate give them, but it looks like the writing's on the wall. That advantage has been largely neutralized and will soon be too little to overcome the move to cities.
That may be true of something like the Presidency, but the very move to cities you mention will make the Senate redder and redder as time goes on. By 2040, 30% of Senate seats will represent 70% of the population, and 70% of Senate seats will represent 30% of the population. (I don't have a source on that offhand but one could be found easily).
James Madison actually foresaw this in 1787, as he wanted a proportional Senate and couldn't get it due to compromise with the small states. We're going to be running up against a demographic brick wall in the Senate.
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You would compare Donald Trump to Jesus and Gandhi?
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: qman] 5
#27210950 - 02/17/21 10:49 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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qman said: Why the fuck should my niece with a graduate degree in bio-mechanical engineering get companies rich on her skill set and live in debt slavery for the rest of her life? That's a very stupid concept to endorse. She did the right thing, she got into a very good university and got a 4 year degree and then went on for even 2 more years for a graduate degree. She didn't waste her time studying something that wasn't needed in the workforce. Now she is underpaid and loaded with debt. How come people in a similar situation 30 years ago were making double her salary without any debt for the most part? Stop defending a cruel system designed to destroy any chance of living a middle class existence.
This is what happens when civilizations fail. Less pay and more debt for for more work. You make the very good point that people 25, 30, 35 years old have access to much less income than their parents did -- with exactly the same level of education or, in your niece's case, considerably more. Just like in ancient Rome, the whole thing becomes a racket serving the rich. Now, civilization has always inherently served the rich, but the middle class, when times are good, gets a taste. Now there is no pretense of that.
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Additional said: There are a few things that Trump did that I felt were pretty okay.
First, he signed an Exec Order that requires health care providers to disclose the cost of their services (how much they charge individuals, how much they charge insurance companies, and what kind of discounts they give). This was already required under Obamacare, but having the support of another administration is very good for this kind of transparency in billing.
Second, the canceled Pebble Mine in Alaska. This was a surprising, ecologically sound decision. Cynics may say that this was selfish, due to the fact that Eric and Don Jr. liked to fish nearby, but the outcome was positive.
Third, the continued focus on Veterans Affairs is great, given the department's importance in reintegrating service members into our communities. Some of the Trump Administration's initiatives (the focus on mental health, for instance) are wonderful. The VA hotline is not. Even so, it's good to see an accomplishment like this with massive bipartisan support.
Those are three that I could think up fairly quickly.
And he did long-term damage to our institutions, instilled corruption everywhere, shrunk and damaged our national parks, overturned most environmental regulations, built a new nuclear weapons arsenal beyond anything approaching reason, left numerous constructive treaties, like the Iran deal and the Paris accord, militarized local outer space, damaged the economy with 19th century tariff tactics, signed into law an irresponsible tax cut for the wealthy, repeatedly undermined the Affordable Care insurance system, shut down the government for personal political purposes, and lied literally tens of thousands of times according to the nonpartisan fact checkers.
I don't think you have much of a case.
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Fair enough.
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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: koods]
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The Ecstatic said: Dems have dropped the $15 min wage from the covid bill.
Everyone behold the next FDR
The Parliamentarian rejected it for reconciliation. The Democrats didn't drop anything.
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Not to be an apologist, but I think the idea with the $1400 is that it plus the $600 already paid equals $2000.
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ModularMind said: “Tax me harder, gov”- libs
Federal income tax has not been this low since the Truman administration. Perhaps we could structure things to pay a little more. The country desperately needs it. Of course, ensuring that the money will be spent responsibly is another matter.
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