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Visuals From Edible THC? * 1
    #26274842 - 10/24/19 08:30 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Does anyone else get gnarly changes in visual perception whilst high on edibles? Sometimes I get some very tryptamine-esque visual overlays with open eyes. With closed eyes, sometimes I get extremely vivid, hypnagogic imagery whilst passing out from edibles. Anyone else get this vibe?


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: SpookyMulder]
    #26274923 - 10/24/19 09:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I’ve had homemade hash oil cookies that were like strong lsd visuals, in terms of their movement. And a telepathy that was undeniable, it was like we were connected through the floor, very intense.

My nerves felt like they were being modulated by aliens, vocal chords were alien in their creation of sound.  Super intense, threw up in a violent way but was relieving. Gravity was rotating, and I was very thankful I didn’t die, because I thought I couldn’t survive the depth at which my nervous system was being affected.

Good experience overall, but too intense at the time.

Visuals were like a combo between; Indian sand art, and rainbow static filled paisley.

Crazy night, the lateness in the night probably was what made it problematic. I didn’t have the energy.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: Nekai]
    #26275000 - 10/24/19 10:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Cannabis is also technically psychedelic IMO.
And edibles give me visuals on par with some lysergamides.
Although depends on the strain, some will knock me out, others will be psychedelic.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: I AM SWIM] * 1
    #26275428 - 10/25/19 06:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Cannabis is also technically psychedelic IMO.
And edibles give me visuals on par with some lysergamides.
Although depends on the strain, some will knock me out, others will be psychedelic.



It actually is though.

Edibles at high doses is DEFINITELY PSYCHEDELIC


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26275477 - 10/25/19 07:02 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I had an "oops" experience dosing with a couple of questionably-potent cookies from a friend last year and (according to the friend) consumed over 200mg of THC (I assume it was going to be maybe 100mg, max.  He said 1/2 cookie would be more than enough, but I'd turned off my ears for that comment).  I had no idea how high one could get off THC until that point.  I wouldn't have believed someone saying that they could experience visuals from THC prior to this.  Not only was I getting very weird visual effects (mild color distortions, "lines"/patterns?CEVs), but I was having bizarre audio- hallucinations as well.  My internal dialogue was hard to control, which made thing even weirder.  The whole thing made me re-think the parameters of cannabis.  I'd love to make a concerted effort at meditating at a similar dose.  I could see high-dose-edibles being a great facilitator.  The body load was massive, though.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26275845 - 10/25/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

200mg? That's a moderate dose for me. I get wicked high but my tolerance is also really high. But I did chug about 500mg and another time a whole gram. Both times I saw this fractal circle like a dream catcher. I have seen it on psilocybin but on thc it's always a bit out of focus and it seems to be made of electricity. Very wavy, jagged. While on psilocybin it's very clear, moving but smooth. I actually have a bottle of tincture that has 888mgs.
  Oh the 1g experience, let's say I had planned out some activities but I ended face down on my bed for like 5hrs.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26275867 - 10/25/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

1g?!  Respect.  I admittedly have a low tolerance for THC (especially for someone that smokes every day).  I think if I did 1g of THC in a single dose I'd eat the handle off the fridge and sleep for 24hrs.  Jesus Murphy I'm such an old person...


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26276010 - 10/25/19 11:15 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Lol omg. I know the hunger was not fun by midnight. I was so bloated.

I felt like it was a waste. I dont remember too much.

Lol I do not recommend it.

But it can be very psychedelic but it has its unique flavor.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26276017 - 10/25/19 11:17 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I definitely get it from a dropper of THC oil (the government approved made for internal use strong stuff available at the legal dispensaries)

Usually I notice it after 90 minutes or 120 minutes into the session, when I sit down on a toilet and pee.

The world becomes covered with gently dancing and resolving multicolored Persian carpet geometries, or abstracted faces, or Mexican patterns. Not quite as neon as lsd wallpaper images that cover the ceiling, but they cover whatever I look at which is extremely psychedelic.

This also happens after 2 tokes for me of strong Ontario government approved weed.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26276032 - 10/25/19 11:26 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, Cannabis is probably one of the most beautiful psychedelics out there. (Not THC alone, THC alone messes you up worse than a narcissistic lover.)

I had this funny eureka moment when extremely high and experiencing vivid, colorful open eye visuals, that not all of '70s psychedelic art is referencing LSD or mushrooms, a bunch of it is clearly an homage to weed as a psychedelic. It just has this really characteristic feel and glow to it that's completely unlike tryptamines...


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26276035 - 10/25/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

For me weed visuals have always been cartoonish and seemed like more of a “byproduct” of the experience rather a feature. I’ve definitely gotten visuals from weed though, especially edibles or dabs.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: SpookyMulder]
    #26276039 - 10/25/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Yes and the first one was the most intense experience. It was a legit mild trip. Cookies :sunny:.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26276042 - 10/25/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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seemed like more of a “byproduct” of the experience rather a feature.



Isn't that true of all psychedelics in a way? :tongue: :grin:


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26276320 - 10/25/19 01:23 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Both times I saw this fractal circle like a dream catcher. I have seen it on psilocybin but on thc it's always a bit out of focus and it seems to be made of electricity. Very wavy, jagged.




Sounds like a "migrane" aura though - did it change size with scintillating edges?  Mushrooms really enhance those if you get them (without the migrane lets hope).  Fucks with your vision too.

Just smoking good weed I get interesting visuals.  The trippy aspects though are almost subliminal and I can't quite get into a real psychedelic headspace - there's always this kind of fuzzy unreality about it, as opposed to a proper tryptamine experience featuring enhanced recall and connected thoughts...


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26276630 - 10/25/19 04:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I accidentally dosed some family with zero-tolerance (brownies). They didn't taste or suspect a thing, and neither did I lol. An hour later they're sitting on the floor unable to walk. They were describing all kinds of visuals and psychedelic effects that are muted to me with high tolerance. Uncle said he could see the words projecting out of my mouth like word art. Room swaying and tracers. They had to be drove home lol. I gave them a framed photo of them cuddled on the bathroom floor cheesin'.

But even with my tolerance, I can get to a half-woke, half-sleep state where I'm damn near lucid dreaming.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: Icon] * 1
    #26276675 - 10/25/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

The audio hallucinations from edible THC are some of the weirdest shits ever.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: SpookyMulder]
    #26277130 - 10/25/19 10:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I remember hearing in a painting class I took years ago that THC temporarily activates more red cones in your eyes. I've never had auditory hallucinations on edibles save for once in a very long while there will be a high pitch tuning fork like sound. Otherwise, I have experienced the classic rainbow static snowstorm on edibles, which is somewhat similar to the visuals I've had on psilocybin, but it doesn't compare to the moving patterns that I've had while tripping on shrooms.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: SpookyMulder] * 1
    #26277258 - 10/25/19 11:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Occasionally if I do too much weed, it definitely goes in a very psychedelic direction, and not very pleasantly either, but for me I always assumed it was more like triggering flashbacks.

I greened out a couple of times, and saw some really wild stuff while gone. Like photorealistic replays of early childhood memories, but silent, like watching a TV with mute on. Very strange.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: Icon]
    #26277351 - 10/26/19 01:29 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I gave them a framed photo of them cuddled on the bathroom floor cheesin'.





That's pretty darn epic.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26279318 - 10/26/19 09:52 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

From what I have heard when you eat pot the liver breaks it down then goes to the blood unlike smoking which goes straight to the blood stream.
Well in the liver it converts some of the stuff to a different chemical that has a more psychedelic effect then wees normal does when smoked.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26279561 - 10/27/19 03:05 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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For me weed visuals have always been cartoonish and seemed like more of a “byproduct” of the experience rather a feature.




That's true for me I think.

I've tripped off as little as one gram, and not tripped off a quarter ounce. The quality/type of the hash (always hash in my case for edible) was the main determining factor of course (I'm sure one needs very little, of some of the weed floating around today) but my body's reaction to the experience, and what set/setting I was in also played a massive role.

I always had a theory that fear/paranoia and perhaps adrenaline or some other chemical produced by the body, combined with cannabis, is what is really responsible for any truly mind, or subconscious, manifesting (auditory and tactile mainly) experiences with weed, and the full on trips -if you can call them that- were always pretty much negative, and incredibly frightening.

I used to get these trips, when as a teenager I returned home, with eyes like a sunset, very afraid that my parents were going to realize I was stoned. I remember hiding in the bath for hours as I sank into the abyss. Felt as if I was being thrown up into space, or that I was plummeting down through the floor, demonic voices and invisible hands grabbing out at me from across the veil.

Although probably only certain kinds of weed (stavia probably) could produce a trip I always sensed it was not really exclusively a cannabis experience, but more like something that is unlocked by a combined variation of environmental and chemical/biochemical factors, far greater than the sum of its parts. Last (and last) time I experienced it, I truly believed it to be some sort of demonic portal...

I did edible weed thousands (exaggeration) of times when I was younger, and because I knew it could make me 'trip' it was my main method of ingestion. Although I hated the experience at the time, I always desperately sought the same experience out, never satisfied until I was so horrified that I wanted it all to stop again.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: wolf8312]
    #26285220 - 10/29/19 03:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: Blabble40]
    #26286424 - 10/30/19 05:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: SpookyMulder]
    #27318482 - 05/22/21 08:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, and it's very cool. I haven't had such peace and joy in a long time. Actually, I started taking cannabis a year ago when I broke my arm. My doctor advised me to order Cannabis Seeds Montreal, as it will be more beneficial than taking pills. At first, I took it only for injuries, but I feel emotional burnout in the last three months, and cannabis is the only thing that helps me cope with pain. I can't put into words how much pleasure I feel when I sit on the couch after work and feel the emotional satisfaction after cannabis.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: Cobalt117]
    #27318867 - 05/22/21 02:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Huh.


Not expecting these kinda answers on a psych forum, canna forums yeah but I'm surprised so many very experienced folks compare high dose thc to even a slight trip from mush or lsd.

To me, they are completely separate entities. (Ha!)

I can get slight visual distortions on very high doses. With and without tolerance. And a pretty gnarly mind fuck. But it's so different from what I know of tryptamines. Or even MDMA if thats in the mix. (no mesc/dmt experience here, yet.

To me, I feel like the comparison ends at they are both usually but not always enjoyable drugs that can affect the senses depending on dose.

Ive eaten weed 1000s of times. (used to grow, hash, and cap my own edibles for years and had a healthy smoking habit decades ago in my 20s. Maybe 40 psychedelic trips.

Always surprises me seeing people compare the two... I dunno, trips to me are deeper than visual distortions and and a dope buzz.

Like comparing a rain puddle to the ocean.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: RoadAppleSnapple]
    #27318879 - 05/22/21 02:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

People with low tolerance rarely inhale enough cannabis to get trippy effects, but it can happen, especially with edibles. I make edibles with mct oil and lecithin, they're probably twice as strong as another oil or without lecithin. On top of that, I fully saturate my oil with repeated cooks of cannabis until it's basically a syrup. One time I made the oil with dabs so I actually had some idea of the potency. Was able to fit an ounce of dabs into barely a cup of mct oil and I could have probably dissolved more. Came out to a half gram of dabs per brownie. And the other ones I made with bud are actually stronger than that. Long story short, I've dosed family and friends with low to zero tolerance and the edibles absolutely floor them for 12 hours. My tolerance has never been that low, but they describe tracers and visualizing speech as word-art and have deep thoughts for hours.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: RoadAppleSnapple] * 1
    #27319666 - 05/23/21 07:38 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Huh.


Not expecting these kinda answers on a psych forum, canna forums yeah but I'm surprised so many very experienced folks compare high dose thc to even a slight trip from mush or lsd.

To me, they are completely separate entities. (Ha!)

I can get slight visual distortions on very high doses. With and without tolerance. And a pretty gnarly mind fuck. But it's so different from what I know of tryptamines. Or even MDMA if thats in the mix. (no mesc/dmt experience here, yet.

To me, I feel like the comparison ends at they are both usually but not always enjoyable drugs that can affect the senses depending on dose.

Ive eaten weed 1000s of times. (used to grow, hash, and cap my own edibles for years and had a healthy smoking habit decades ago in my 20s. Maybe 40 psychedelic trips.

Always surprises me seeing people compare the two... I dunno, trips to me are deeper than visual distortions and and a dope buzz.

Like comparing a rain puddle to the ocean.





It is a different beast to a tryptamine experience or standard psychedelic. But cannabis has the keys to its own specific doors of perception and within those doors are some genuinely astonishing even terrifying phenomena.

Also far more than DMT, or even LSD (but especially a combination) a high dose of cannabis with a touch of fear or paranoia can closely mimic conditions such as schizophrenia (auditory hallucinations, etc.).

But prior experience is absolutely key which is why cannabis is the quintessential psychedelic IMO. It depends so much on one's conscious and unconscious expectations.

If a person has only ever experienced cannabis as a relaxant and expects exactly that when partaking, or else he believes cannabis to be a mild class C experience that pales in comparison to normal psychedelics or even drugs that's what he will be much more likely to experience. But likewise, if he expects (consciously or subconsciously) a nightmare or ordeal.

Once a person has had some bad experiences/trips either with cannabis itself or especially in combination with other psychedelics the whole experience changes and that extra baggage gets brought along.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27319780 - 05/23/21 10:16 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

This is a nice and truthful way to put it!

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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27319840 - 05/23/21 11:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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This is a nice and truthful way to put it!

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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: RoadAppleSnapple]
    #27320473 - 05/23/21 08:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Huh.

Not expecting these kinda answers on a psych forum, canna forums yeah but I'm surprised so many very experienced folks compare high dose thc to even a slight trip from mush or lsd.

To me, they are completely separate entities. (Ha!)





I certainly believe THC is a psychedelic. For me, a high enough dose of an edible feels tryptamine-like. I never really get a hard core trip off of a THC edible, though. It's more like I am taxiing down the runway, but I never get a complete liftoff into a full-blown trip. Maybe a higher dose of THC would have me tripping balls, but I think the dose required would put me to sleep first. In any case, edibles in in the doses I take remind me of a low-dose mushroom trip.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27320927 - 05/24/21 08:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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People with low tolerance rarely inhale enough cannabis to get trippy effects, but it can happen, especially with edibles. I make edibles with mct oil and lecithin, they're probably twice as strong as another oil or without lecithin. On top of that, I fully saturate my oil with repeated cooks of cannabis until it's basically a syrup. One time I made the oil with dabs so I actually had some idea of the potency. Was able to fit an ounce of dabs into barely a cup of mct oil and I could have probably dissolved more. Came out to a half gram of dabs per brownie. And the other ones I made with bud are actually stronger than that. Long story short, I've dosed family and friends with low to zero tolerance and the edibles absolutely floor them for 12 hours. My tolerance has never been that low, but they describe tracers and visualizing speech as word-art and have deep thoughts for hours.




First, mct oil and lecithin do not double potency. Medium chain oil = a faster onset (I like to use coconut oil bc its solid at room temp... same/same). Lecithin does increase bio-availability as an emulsifier, a lot, but nowhere near doubling potency. I'd also mention that thc is an oil, so one can choose whatever ratio they wish... For instance I mix my hash/oil 50/50 with leci and cap... but I've tried 80/20 and 20/80. So, repeated cooks is a fight against plant matter rather than a saturation issue like if you were to say pull the oil with ethanol/190proof (a much nicer route imo, highly recommend).


But yeah. I agree, edibles get you higher than high for hours and hour and there ARE visual and auditory and mind distortions/hallucinations.


But do you really think that is all the drug class 'psychedelics' are?

I mean, plenty of drugs distort vision, sound, affect the mind etc. Are they psychedelic too?



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It is a different beast to a tryptamine experience or standard psychedelic. But cannabis has the keys to its own specific doors of perception and within those doors are some genuinely astonishing even terrifying phenomena.

Also far more than DMT, or even LSD (but especially a combination) a high dose of cannabis with a touch of fear or paranoia can closely mimic conditions such as schizophrenia (auditory hallucinations, etc.).

But prior experience is absolutely key which is why cannabis is the quintessential psychedelic IMO. It depends so much on one's conscious and unconscious expectations.

If a person has only ever experienced cannabis as a relaxant and expects exactly that when partaking, or else he believes cannabis to be a mild class C experience that pales in comparison to normal psychedelics or even drugs that's what he will be much more likely to experience. But likewise, if he expects (consciously or subconsciously) a nightmare or ordeal.

Once a person has had some bad experiences/trips either with cannabis itself or especially in combination with other psychedelics the whole experience changes and that extra baggage gets brought along.




I disagree with a lot here.

I do agree that weed has it's own 'doors of perception' though, which is kinda my point.

But... Are you saying cannabis has a higher tendency to cause a psychotic break than lsd and dmt? I mean they all can, especially to those predisposed, but cannabis draws from a far higher user per capita. A little herb paranoia if very different from catalyzing schizophrenia.

I also disagree that experience or expectations have anything at all to do with edible or smoked weed effects other than general mindset.

Also, a difficult cannabis experience or 20 have not changed the quality of my general use, and I'll go back to it the next day or later that day or whatever. Comparatively, I've had a few 'bad' trips on mushrooms that have made me very very very conscious of set setting respect etc. that would never cross my mind with weed.


Again, agree that weed makes for visuals etc at high doses, and in the case above paranoia. So some of the same effects - like tylonol and percocet both kill pain. But no one's calling tylonol an opioid because can do one or a few things the opioid class of chemicals do.



Semantics in the end I guess.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: SpookyMulder]
    #27320945 - 05/24/21 08:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely, it has given me some visuals after too much of it. But actually, it just depends on what edibles you take, I remember a while ago I was not into edibles that much, I just preferred weed over edibles. It just felt weird for me in some way, but once I had a good friend of mine coming over and he got some sour raspberry Indica edibles and OMG they were amazing. I decided that I should stop smoking for some time in order for me to reduce my tolerance and clean up my lungs. And to be honest that was an amazing decision for me because now I am enjoying my weed way more than I used to before I started doing edibles.


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    #27321150 - 05/24/21 12:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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People with low tolerance rarely inhale enough cannabis to get trippy effects, but it can happen, especially with edibles. I make edibles with mct oil and lecithin, they're probably twice as strong as another oil or without lecithin. On top of that, I fully saturate my oil with repeated cooks of cannabis until it's basically a syrup. One time I made the oil with dabs so I actually had some idea of the potency. Was able to fit an ounce of dabs into barely a cup of mct oil and I could have probably dissolved more. Came out to a half gram of dabs per brownie. And the other ones I made with bud are actually stronger than that. Long story short, I've dosed family and friends with low to zero tolerance and the edibles absolutely floor them for 12 hours. My tolerance has never been that low, but they describe tracers and visualizing speech as word-art and have deep thoughts for hours.




First, mct oil and lecithin do not double potency. Medium chain oil = a faster onset (I like to use coconut oil bc its solid at room temp... same/same). Lecithin does increase bio-availability as an emulsifier, a lot, but nowhere near doubling potency. I'd also mention that thc is an oil, so one can choose whatever ratio they wish... For instance I mix my hash/oil 50/50 with leci and cap... but I've tried 80/20 and 20/80. So, repeated cooks is a fight against plant matter rather than a saturation issue like if you were to say pull the oil with ethanol/190proof (a much nicer route imo, highly recommend).


But yeah. I agree, edibles get you higher than high for hours and hour and there ARE visual and auditory and mind distortions/hallucinations.


But do you really think that is all the drug class 'psychedelics' are?

I mean, plenty of drugs distort vision, sound, affect the mind etc. Are they psychedelic too?

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It is a different beast to a tryptamine experience or standard psychedelic. But cannabis has the keys to its own specific doors of perception and within those doors are some genuinely astonishing even terrifying phenomena.

Also far more than DMT, or even LSD (but especially a combination) a high dose of cannabis with a touch of fear or paranoia can closely mimic conditions such as schizophrenia (auditory hallucinations, etc.).

But prior experience is absolutely key which is why cannabis is the quintessential psychedelic IMO. It depends so much on one's conscious and unconscious expectations.

If a person has only ever experienced cannabis as a relaxant and expects exactly that when partaking, or else he believes cannabis to be a mild class C experience that pales in comparison to normal psychedelics or even drugs that's what he will be much more likely to experience. But likewise, if he expects (consciously or subconsciously) a nightmare or ordeal.

Once a person has had some bad experiences/trips either with cannabis itself or especially in combination with other psychedelics the whole experience changes and that extra baggage gets brought along.




I disagree with a lot here.

I do agree that weed has it's own 'doors of perception' though, which is kinda my point.

But... Are you saying cannabis has a higher tendency to cause a psychotic break than lsd and dmt? I mean they all can, especially to those predisposed, but cannabis draws from a far higher user per capita. A little herb paranoia if very different from catalyzing schizophrenia.

I also disagree that experience or expectations have anything at all to do with edible or smoked weed effects other than general mindset.

Also, a difficult cannabis experience or 20 have not changed the quality of my general use, and I'll go back to it the next day or later that day or whatever. Comparatively, I've had a few 'bad' trips on mushrooms that have made me very very very conscious of set setting respect etc. that would never cross my mind with weed.


Semantics in the end I guess.





I don't know if it has a higher tendency to cause psychosis than LSD or DMT but it certainly causes more paranoia and psychotic symptoms in me personally than any of those drugs.

But in both the last and earlier post I was at pains to point out it is much more complicated than cannabis itself causing psychotic reactions as the cannabis in my case were only one of many factors, and it's a very long story. Have you ever for example smoked cannabis during a trip in which delusions convinced you that you were about to be murdered and tortured to death, or in which you were literally driven insane with terror? 

Cannabis didn't start to become more challenging for me until after I had experienced psychosis while using it and psychedelics together, though I still use (and love) cannabis today when I get the chance. I just have to approach it like a true psychedelic (surrender).

You might disagree that expectations play any part in influencing the experience but what can I really say as that is your own experience.


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    #27401215 - 07/25/21 06:16 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

lately I am mostly using XMG drops which are water soluble thc - I drop between 5 and 16 drops on my hand and lick it off. 1mgthc per 2 drops
it is active in 20 mins.

sometimes I put a couple of drops in morning coffee to help with joint pain and add a bit of charm to the day.

I am staying below 10mg thc/day so that I do not build tolerance.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27416427 - 08/06/21 07:08 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I think that the best is CBD. I know that many people who use CBD and increase their energy levels are happy. They have a better outlook on life. I understand that some people have gotten using CBD dealing with adverse side effects like anxiety and sleeplessness. Stress tends to increase the more you use substances, so it is essential to know what you're doing when using CBD, whether through oil. I use it on oil with glass dab rigs. I recommend trying it in this way. You will get more pleasure.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: SpookyMulder]
    #27417057 - 08/06/21 03:29 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting topic. Fwiw, I've never had visuals from THC. And I'm one of those (rare?) people who doesn't get a great high from edible THC either. I've tried many times over the last three years, it's legal here... and I still have a bunch in the fridge now. There's no entourage effect, the high is narrow and edible THC just doesn't compete with vaping/combusting cannabis. Too bad (for me), I hear edible THC is a great high for many people, and some of it reported here. I've tried anywhere from 20 mg to the 125 mg range in Edible THC, maybe more. A large enough edible THC dose will make me fall asleep.

OTOH, combining shrooms with cannabis gives me huge visuals (and others report the same). I always combine both now when I trip. Highly recommended :thumbup:.


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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: alpha-omega]
    #27417602 - 08/06/21 10:38 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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And I'm one of those (rare?) people who doesn't get a great high from edible THC either. I've tried many times over the last three years, it's legal here... and I still have a bunch in the fridge now. There's no entourage effect, the high is narrow and edible THC just doesn't compete with vaping/combusting cannabis. Too bad (for me), I hear edible THC is a great high for many people, and some of it reported here. I've tried anywhere from 20 mg to the 125 mg range in Edible THC, maybe more. A large enough edible THC dose will make me fall asleep.

OTOH, combining shrooms with cannabis gives me huge visuals (and others report the same). I always combine both now when I trip. Highly recommended :thumbup:.




It's all about digestion. I have digestive issues and it can take up to 6 hours for THC to fully metabolize into the active product... those I know who say they 'don't feel edibles' tend to be people that eat a lot and have a very quick digestive system. My guess is it just moves through them and never reaches a 'critical mass'.

My recommendation is to eat the cannabis with something ridiculously indulgent, high in fat and sugar. A milkshake for example, blend the cannabis extract right in. Fast for several hours beforehand and eat no other food. I think that would work for pretty much anyone. Cannabis has to be the only thing you've consumed for hours if you want to guarantee potency.


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    #27417736 - 08/07/21 02:43 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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And I'm one of those (rare?) people who doesn't get a great high from edible THC either. I've tried many times over the last three years, it's legal here... and I still have a bunch in the fridge now. There's no entourage effect, the high is narrow and edible THC just doesn't compete with vaping/combusting cannabis. Too bad (for me), I hear edible THC is a great high for many people, and some of it reported here. I've tried anywhere from 20 mg to the 125 mg range in Edible THC, maybe more. A large enough edible THC dose will make me fall asleep.

OTOH, combining shrooms with cannabis gives me huge visuals (and others report the same). I always combine both now when I trip. Highly recommended :thumbup:.




It's all about digestion. I have digestive issues and it can take up to 6 hours for THC to fully metabolize into the active product... those I know who say they 'don't feel edibles' tend to be people that eat a lot and have a very quick digestive system. My guess is it just moves through them and never reaches a 'critical mass'.

My recommendation is to eat the cannabis with something ridiculously indulgent, high in fat and sugar. A milkshake for example, blend the cannabis extract right in. Fast for several hours beforehand and eat no other food. I think that would work for pretty much anyone. Cannabis has to be the only thing you've consumed for hours if you want to guarantee potency.




@alpha
When cannabis edibles are digested the THC actually changes to 11-hydroxy-THC which partially explains why it's a different experience than inhaling THC. You still get some entourage effect that I've noticed from edibles made with flower vs edibles made with concentrates.

https://www.encore-labs.com/11-hydroxy-thc-why-edibles-can-feel-more-potent

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You might be interested in trying MCT oil sublingually. Apparently it can deliver cannabinoids straight to the bloodstream if squirt and held under the tongue. Supposed to be faster and better absorbed sublingually than through digestion. More on MCT:

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MCT Oil is a medium chain triglyceride oil derived from coconuts.

When eaten, MCT’s are digested easily and head straight for your liver. And your liver is the place where that mystical THC to 11-Hydroxy-THC takes place.

So for cannabis infusions/tinctures, it’s very effective. It’s also great for making extra strength weed lube, massage oil, oil pulling and cannabis coffee.

The science behind it is simple but incredible. MCTs go directly from the digestive system to the bloodstream without being digested first. This makes MCT oil ideal for people with digestive disorders.

In my experience, this quick turnaround to the blood stream means that cannabis infused MCT oil comes on a little more quickly than other fat based infusions.

While butter and coconut oil contain MCTs, MCT oil only contains fatty acids and is in a concentrated form making it a higher energy oil than butter or coconut oil.



https://wakeandbake.co/cannabis-mct-tincture-recipe/

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SUBLINGUAL USE FOR MCT OIL
Sublingual, meaning under the tongue, involves holding oil or tincture under your tongue to be absorbed by our mucous membranes into the body.

There is a dense concentration of capillaries under the tongue and around the mouth, so products held in the mouth are delivered directly to the bloodstream, making sublingual administration quick and easy (2).

Some people prefer this method due to the quick absorption rate and high bioavailability rate of around ~30%, producing a quicker, more effective absorption into the bloodstream.

For this application method, it is recommended to hold the oil or tincture under your tongue or inside your cheek for as long as possible for the best results and most efficient absorption.

Many people like this method because the typical onset time starts fairly quickly, between 15-30 minutes.

The typical duration time lasts for an average of 2-4 hours.

The cannabinoids in the oil or tincture are then absorbed into the bloodstream and circulate throughout the bloodstream, affecting the whole body.

This method bypasses digestion and the first-pass metabolism in the liver, unlike cannabis edibles.



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Re: Visuals From Edible THC? [Re: nooneman]
    #27418233 - 08/07/21 01:14 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Occasionally if I do too much weed, it definitely goes in a very psychedelic direction, and not very pleasantly either, but for me I always assumed it was more like triggering flashbacks.

I greened out a couple of times, and saw some really wild stuff while gone. Like photorealistic replays of early childhood memories, but silent, like watching a TV with mute on. Very strange.



    I had a very similar experience after eating some edibles (rice krispy treats). I had no idea how much to eat so I had a couple pieces just before going to sleep to help relax. Next thing I know, I'm watching what seems to be a movie of childhood memories many of which had been forgotten since they happened 40 years ago! Even weirder were the feelings from dreams I had as a child were experienced. Crazier than any mushroom trip...albeit I haven't gone very deep on mushrooms yet. Seems as though every experience we have in life is stored in our memory banks, and only a tiny fraction is accessible?


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    #27469147 - 09/15/21 09:46 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I don't think to have visuals from THC edibles. Cannabis doesn't have such an effect. Most of all, it can relax you or give you joy. I have my own business of growing Cannabis, and I always try to find some new sorts. Whenever I sell something to someone and come back, I always try to ask them if they like the stuff. It helps me to understand if I am doing everything right while I am growing Cannabis. None were saying about having visuals. If you want to get visuals, better buy some magic mushrooms. You will surely have fun.



You're wrong bud. High tolerance or limited experience might lead you to believe that but low tolerance or high dose edibles are psychedelic and can be visual in the same way as mushrooms. Are your customers cooking with your bud or how are you using smoking feedback to make claims about edibles? Ingesting THC alters the molecule and the effects we experience, though I've also had visuals from my first dozen or so times vaping cannabis, back when I had zero tolerance and access to good bud out of a volcano. There are some people that don't even get high their first time because they don't know how to inhale properly. It's all about dose and tolerance. If you take tolerance breaks and know how to use it every experience with cannabis could be a trip.

I've got a little edible side hustle and I'm not regulated so I'm not talking about 10mg gummies or 100mg bars. I pack 500mg+ into a small brownie that can reliably give anyone without tolerance an experience stronger than most shroom trips and includes visuals. With my high tolerance though even those doses just get me relaxed and 'joyful' so tolerance is key.


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    #27469286 - 09/15/21 11:59 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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    #27469337 - 09/15/21 12:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I finally got thc in oil dropped sublingually to work and it crossed over into what I would call psychedelic.  It’s all hard to describe but, it’s almost not as deep with the thoughts and revelations.  A lot of what I was thinking about was all life stuff here and never got to “dimensions.”

I think it holds a lot of promise especially for people who can’t get psychedelics but can get this.  There’s a similar therapeutic walk away you take from it.


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    #28622261 - 01/15/24 02:24 PM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

It's actually pretty common. I mean, I've experienced that too, and it was surprisingly smooth. I still use my Releaf card to get some MM every week. Helps me feel relaxed.


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    #28622271 - 01/15/24 02:30 PM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

Necromancy but it's all good, you're new to the board. Welcome! 🤗

Just skimming this thread I can see that being true; it's classified as a hallucinogen anyway. Especially ingesting it orally. Also, one must remember that much of the old (1800's) methods of ingesting were tinctures and eating hash rather than smoking so you can imagine it being a far cry different from their occasional "antics" of getting drunk. I could be wrong though, it's all just rhetorical. Haha


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    #28622289 - 01/15/24 02:47 PM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

I didn't smoke weed for years, then bought a vape pen online that had some pretty top notch distillate in it. I puffed away on it on my couch like it was nothing. I got fucked, and when I closed my eyes has some pretty wild CEVs, no joke.


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Edibles give me some intense CEVs. Goes really well with shrooms too.


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