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OfflineKonyap

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How do I go on a trip through the wilderness?
    #26273354 - 10/24/19 06:32 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I want to take a hiking excursion that would probably be anywhere from 60-80 miles round trip.

The truth is I've never done anything other than camping.

I want to get dropped off in a charter plane
the cost of the plane ride would be around 1600 for the commercial jet and 1600 for a round trip and bi-plane
I know I need a satellite phone.

I don't know what people use for gps coordinates
what people use to cook
how to start a fire reliably out of nothing
don't know how to fish
don't know how to mountain climb
don't know what camera to bring
don't know how to forage
don't know how i'd hunt

I feel like they wouldn't even let me bring this stuff on a commercial plane either

I want to do this by myself kind of
because I don't want their to be a time limit
other than my life force


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #26273366 - 10/24/19 06:42 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You need to look up a trail and plan to pack food. You are not going to be able to just hunt for food while traveling.


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: Konyap]
    #26275002 - 10/24/19 10:45 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You don't need a chartered plane to find some respectably primitive wilderness, brother.  I'll give you a biased for-instance: for the cost of the bush plane, you could get a round-trip ticket here (to Alaska).  You land in Anchorage and can take a cab up to the mouth of the Chugach mountains, and hike for days and days in any number of confugurations  across more wilderness than you'll have any idea what to do with.  147 peaks to climb, untouched wilderness, options for people of all levels of experience, and plenty of beta to steer you on an established route (hike the totally respectable "Crow Pass"- some people would give their first born to see what you can see on that 20= mile trek).  Then connect to any other nuber of routes, see glaciers, camp at glacial tarns, observe bears, moose, fox, sheep, goats, eagles, etc... all for the price of a ticket.  No secondary travel required.  I take several multi-day trips per year and it's absolutely remote and pristine and you won't see another soul after you cross over the front range.  A few other tips (gear-wise): 1.  Bring a couple SAwyer filters and keep track of them.  You have to have filtration because carrying enough water for an overnighter is a real burden.  I use a plastic bottle and take the little Sawyer pouch in case of incidentals.  They weigh practically nothing, and there's more water than you can shake a stick at (and most of it drinkable sans filter).  You need to get bear spray and learn how to use it.  Rather you're in Alaska, Montana, Colorado... get a can and learn how to draw it quick and spray accurately.  I have encountered bears backpacking in five different states.  It happens.  You need to also get a bear canister (work for other critters too, and doesn't require a tree to hang from).  Don't get one and you might lose your food.  You don't want that.  It can get ugly quick.  Pick a season conducive to travel.  Avoid snow and ice if you aren't comfortable traveling on snow and ice.  Stick to routes/trails/passes/climbs that you can get beta on.  Before you go, study your land map every day, several times a day.  Know every feature by heart.  Bring your phone on the john and stare at Google maps.  I'm serious.  It's indescribably easy to get lost.  Don't try to couple hunting and fishing with your first survival trip.  Without the added physiological taxation from having to handle that, you'll find yourself with more adventure and hardship than you know what to do with.  Study lightweight backpacking food options (dehydrated/high-calorie...).  Bring a waterfproof camera with extra batteries (or at least weather-sealed).  I'm such a hypocryte: I haul around my bulky non-sealed DSLR and two or three lenses because I'm hardheaded.  A GoPro is fun and extra batteries are super cheap.  They also keep a charge on cold nights, which is important when you have a dead battery on day six when you finally see the coolest thing you've ever beheld. I bring zero items that need to be cooked.  Lots of jerky, dehydrated potatoes, minute-rice, oatmeal... these can all be cold-soaked.  Cold-soaked foods aren't particularly delicious.  They do however eliminate the need for a rocket stove or a hobo stove and bottle of fuel.  Hell with extra weight.  Also spend your money on a good, lightweight backpacking tent that is WATERPROOF- and spend an extra twenty on your sleeping bag.  No cotton clothing- synthetics and wool only.  Less is more, but have a backup plan for your backup plan in case you get wet.  You might have to get dry real quick.  Closest I've ever been to hypothermia in my life was in the summer here in a cold rain on a 50 degree day when I got caught in a horrible storm while descending a sketchy mountain face.  Never had a problem sleeping out in temps in the negatives, but I about really fucked up at the most improbable time.  When I don't have a fork in one hand, maybe I will remember to get back on here and fill in the abundance of gaping holes in my never-ending paragraph.  But, long story short: I STRONGLY advise you not to go solo on a stretch of land that is a hundred miles from any type of civilization having never even done a big through-trip.  Get your rig together, and put it through public scrutiny like you are doing here.  Then learn about topography and how to mange your caloric needs (and the implications of that kind of travel on said needs).  Best of luck.  Feel free to hit me up on here.  I just go back on after twenty years off the Shromery and plan to be on here a bit.  Cheers.


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OfflineKonyap

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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26275338 - 10/25/19 05:40 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I'm trying to figure out the gps part tho

what do i use to track my coordinates
and what do I use to compare it with if you don't have cell phone service in that area?


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #26275578 - 10/25/19 07:48 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You don't have to compare your GPS data with anything.  Anyone can figure out how to use a GPS device. They're very straightforward.  Using a device in lieu of a hard map and without knowing how to properly read a topo map is a horrible idea.  Don't think about leaving home with just a Garmin.  Print out and laminate maps (or ziplock them).  They're extremely light, and free.  They're also easier to use in terms off viewing a large area at once, which can lend much-needed clarification and perspective.  You can get detailed maps of any area on earth for free, and even better maps for a minimal charge.  I know people who use GPS to track their climbing routes when linking peaks and such, but they're a dangerous liability for a mapless traveler who has no way of operating without one.  An expensive fun-tool unless you're trekking across Patagonia or the Gobi desert or something...
Real Multi-day trips (certainly 80-100 mile trips) require intensive planning and surveying of your intended route beforehand.  Especially travelling solo.  I keep my topo on me, in case I get separated from my gear.  Since you don't intend on following someone else's GPS track, you don't really need one IMHO.  To be honest, I see a lot of red flags (I say this in the frienliest manner) in your set of questions that lead me to believe that you realy need to buckle down and do some research before trying to access big wilderness.  I know people who get lost in places they have traveled in for years, who got cracked in the chest, head, legs... with rocks climbing mellow routes in good weather, or broke their ankle and had to call for a medevac.  Solo is solo.  Big wilderness seals that deal quickly.  If you realy want a GPS, you can get an eTrex for the low online.  Play around with it, and take it with you on shorter trips first.  Always carry a paper map though.  Always (when backpacking/thru-hiking, at least).  Do you have any areas in mind that interest you, or do you just have a wild hair for travel and haven't thought much about the destination?


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26275635 - 10/25/19 08:16 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

The wilderness is serious shit. Alaska aint no joke, people die all the time. You need to study first, listen to alaskaappalachian


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26276408 - 10/25/19 02:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

well of course I'd bring a map
i'd just carry the gps to make sure I'm heading the right way, along with a compass on my body incase I really get stuck

the route is relatively simple

I'd parachute (get dropped off) down to a park ranger camp by charter plane from anchorage, then I'd make my way to the glacial fresh water lake
I'd camp there and then I'd start heading torwards the more hazardous area the next day
think of the areas outside of mordor, very flat and sandy from the run off, but their are crevices you can fall into and get stuck in perhaps die
which is why I would go to the gym and work out alot until I could leg press around 400 pounds to jump over these said gaps
if there is snow on the ground there is a much greater chance I could fall into one of these things unknowingly where I would eventually die of exposure
there may also be some lava flows or geysers in the area I'd have to steer clear of as they could knock me out with gas or boil me alive
next I would have to trek uphill threw snow and glacial melt, I'd have to keep off the areas with the biggest inclines so I wouldn't be caught up in a avalanche or I'd have to run to the sides if I anticipated one coming
finnally once I reached my destination I'd chill the fuck out for a night and sleep under the stars, hopefully no bears would attack me, if it's the summer I should be ok but the chance of avanlanches may or may not go up
on the last day I'd take a sled two miles down and then walk home for the remainder of the route maybe taking one more night to break
so roughly I'd be gone for 5 days, be extremely vulnerable to hazards, acts of weather, avalanches and bears and somehow someway I'd have to trust my life with some other person to pick me up when I was done
but it's what I want to do and if I die doing this I really wouldn't care

it's the perfect time in my life for me to do some stupid shit, I probably won't have a full time job anyway for awhile
there's no one I'd want to bring along, I'd figure they'd puss out too easily and I'd never reach the destination


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: Konyap]
    #26276427 - 10/25/19 02:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Well look up edible plants and bring a book.

Spruce tips for example


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: The Mycologist] * 3
    #26276547 - 10/25/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Hooo boy...  That area of Katmai?!  Fuckin a...  Well... I certainly respect and understand your passion for this.  I would be irresponsible not to tell you however, that you were leaps and bounds out of your depth traveling solo through this area.  Your chances of falling into a bog, getting attacked by a bear, getting lost, succumbing to exposure, etc... just went way, way up.  Boy oh boy...  I am not one to tell a person they can't do something though, so let me be helpful instead.  1.  That area is FULL of bogs/swamps.  They are not your friend.  Expect numerous, numerous detours through horrible brush.  Endless bushwacking, and you will without any doubt encounter several bears.  Absolutely, positively will.  The brown bears down there are a couple hundred pounds heavier on average than they are here on the our side of the inlet.. and we have some whoppers...  First time you have to decide how to circumvent an impassable bog or endless bands of nut-to-butt hemlock and have to go through the nightmare of an alder thicket you will be shitting a brick.  It's really shitty travel.  100x worse than you think. The bugs... are in a world class.  It's awful.  Awful.  30+ species of fly and more mosquitoes than you can imagine.  Hell... I got ate up so bad last summer backpacking through the Western Chugach that I couldn't stop for two seconds.  They'd literally cover me by the hundreds.  It's nuts and getting worse due to climate change.  So... definitely netting and a wide-brimmed hat and something to keep them from biting your neck.  The list goes on and while each item might seem manageable on paper, it just doesn't translate to just how bad it can be.  Now I will say (grasping at straws here...)  that the route you chose is good in a way becasue you have a good set of dissimilar features/landmarks to cross-reference en route.  Your final GPS track will likely look more resemble Michael J Fox unzipping a coat by the time you're done.  Detour soup.  Bear soup.  You won't be able to hunt becasue in that area, you won't be able to cook meat without ringing the dinner bell for more trouble than you want.  Fishing? - yes you can catch fish ostensibly, but one misstep with hygiene, storing clothing and cooking items, managing your bear canister (anywhere in Alaska you need one period), accidentally scent- staining your tent or bag with food smells... will be one mistake too many.  Not too many good wild foods in that area, but at certain times of the year you have berries, spruce tips, mushrooms, some edible tubers, edible flowers, rose hips, and- by the coast nearby- a glorious feast of seaweed, beach greens, wild potatoes, sea-creatures of various sorts... but not enough to sustain you.  You won't be able to sit but for a second if you aren't in your tent (unless the wind is blowing at a good clip).  Interesting route though.  I'm curious how you chose it.  Oh and you are required- for VERY good reason- to carry/set up an electric bear fence in your camping area.  I'm not kidding.  This area is hell in the cell.  There are bears and dangers and whatnot everywhere here, but man is THAT a rough area.  Beautiful though.  You survive that and find yourself in the Anchorage area, feel free to come do some scrambling in the Chugach or Talkeetnas.  Good luck.


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26276576 - 10/25/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ah fuck, forgot about the bugs, I think the hardest part would be convincing the park rangers to let me wander off alone tbh
I know what you mean tho, bogs are a pain in the ass, might as well just walk barefoot through them, plus I imagine there could be quicksand
fuck this sounds like a jungle adventure, I don't know if I want an icey death being mauled by a bear or freezing to death in a crack in the earth, tough choice.

I chose the area because i want to see a lake at the top of a mountain.



It's both refreshing and inspiring to me.
For some reason that's the most interesting thing I can think of on the face of the earth, that it used to be a volcano is even more interesting, but it also makes water filtration impossible with all the sulfur and ash the filter would catch.

This is all theoretical of course
besides the hurdle of getting a way out there and back, I'd have to do much more research about the snow cover and glacial melt during the times of the seasons, I just know I wouldn't go during the winter, to avoid said pitfalls.


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
    #26276639 - 10/25/19 04:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Heard good things about this area

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_River_(Alaska)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_River_and_Northwestern_Railway

Just take the ferry up

http://dot.alaska.gov/amhs/comm/cordova.shtml

Buy a handgun in cordova,10mm with a box of ammo and extra mag

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g20-gen4

Get a msr whisper lite international stove with a couple liters of white gas with cookset and a steel cup ,and maintenance kit for the stove,learn how to use it

Get a 3 season tent,North face,mountain hardwear

Get a 60 liter expedition backpack

Get a thermarest z rest
Get a kershaw hunting knife with sharpening stone and small bottle of oil
Get a petzyl headlamp that uses aaa energizer batteries,bring 21 of them

Have another small flashlight that uses 2 aaa batteries,fenix is good

Get a 15 degree bag,spend around a 100$ on it

Get a merino cap and long underwear

Get a goretex rain shell,Patagonia or arctyrx ,maybe even goretex light rain pants

Get a travel rod with spinning real and a small case of lures ,salmon eggs,extra books etc

Look into some xtra tuff rubber boots,ak runs on them,worth the weight

Get a water filter,msr makes good ones

Get a mosquito head net

Get merino wool padded socks and good footwear ,salomon makes killer shoes,more for a thinner foot and low arch ,not for wide
Feet

Bring a bag with a firestarter ,flint and steel ,6 lighters,extra matches,small candles

Learn how to use a topo map and compass


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: 5150]
    #26277330 - 10/26/19 12:55 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: Konyap]
    #26278768 - 10/26/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't do it in the winter,if u have some cash just go up and spend the summer,it's amazing,the salmon fishing is awesome,but yeah I've spent 3 or 4 summer s up there and did it without a gun,don't think I'd do it without one these days,a lot of bear attacks these days,things r happening


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #26423283 - 01/08/20 04:48 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Konyap said:

The truth is I've never done anything other than camping.

I want to get dropped off in a charter plane
the cost of the plane ride would be around 1600 for the commercial jet and 1600 for a round trip and bi-plane
I know I need a satellite phone.

I don't know what people use for gps coordinates
what people use to cook
how to start a fire reliably out of nothing
don't know how to fish
don't know how to mountain climb
don't know what camera to bring
don't know how to forage
don't know how i'd hunt

I feel like they wouldn't even let me bring this stuff on a commercial plane either

I want to do this by myself kind of
because I don't want their to be a time limit
other than my life force




Bruh

Now I'm no outdoors expert either but you really need to be clearly above the amateur outdoor/back country hiking level to do what you have in mind

In time I'm sure you can reach that level but you can't go out there and attempt this by just figuring out a lot of this as you go, that would be a recipe for disaster


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Re: How do I go on a trip through the wilderness? [Re: Niffla]
    #26454643 - 01/27/20 07:04 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Bring enough bug spray to decimate the local population is my personal advice.


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