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Blobs any more in depth info on what they are?
    #26262641 - 10/19/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so i understand they are "mutated" tissue masses but has anyone checked the tissue out under a microscope and seen what type of tissue it is? if distinguishable from mycelium or fruit bodies.. But i have been having tubs come up with blobs with my PE i never cased a day in my life and PE is my favorite horse in the stable but last syringe came and this blob stuff started.. Do i pick them off if so do i wait for them to get bigger or do I pick off the hundred or so tiny lil clusters of weird right away? I have use the search engine but find people saying a mix pf things leave em, pick em now, use a casing next time, or what i think is probably best if i had to guess is let it go pray for a fruit clone and isolate on agar if i get one. Or try again cuz its multi spore as i have to reboot all my varieties abd find new clones.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: Psonic]
    #26262726 - 10/19/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I’d imagine the tissue in blobs looks the same as normal fruits but I’m not expert... I would wait and see if your blobs are growing before harvesting them. It’s quite normal for PE to blob first flush but a casing can definitely help prevent some blobs. Also blobs can be quite potent :thumbup:


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: SFS96]
    #26262751 - 10/19/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Poke the buggers when they get bigger and you'll be able to see if they're soft or firm to the poke.. If they're soft, pick them. Good luck dude, hope you get some pe fruits here soon.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: Psonic]
    #26262794 - 10/19/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

My general hypothesis is they are knots that got mixed signals and didn’t fully develop before getting the grow signal.  A casing layer even as basic as verm seems to give them a strong enough fruiting signal to fully develop before growth.

A clone that blobs can be made to produce normal fruits, so it’s not permanent to the culture.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26264800 - 10/20/19 07:35 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Would casing it with verm post picking the stones help or is it too late let em ride out?


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: Psonic]
    #26264901 - 10/20/19 08:20 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Im kinda in the same boat would you case with verm/coir after its fully colonized ? because i normally mix all my spawn together then put about 1/4" top layer over the mix but it all colonizes before it fruits so doesn't really work as a casing layer


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: insutama]
    #26265195 - 10/20/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ive cased pe after fully colonized and got some actual mushrooms.. I was on a HUGE pe and ape kick all summer, i cased a blobbing pe tub and i did get fruits eventually but that might've been a 2nd flush.. The blobs were so small and all over the place that i just couldn't possibly pick them all without fingering the sub or tearing it up with a scalpel. I've read via the search that high spawn ratio's produce blobs more likely than a sub with low spawn ratio; like a little more cvg than the colonized rye berries i had. I hope that made sense.. Ive tried many different approaches at pe/ape and ive had nice fruits 1st flush with and without blobs.. Its like a phenomenon or something. Idk but the blobs get people higher than hell and some people think theyre cool because theyre different.
(I would have some pics but im locked out of my other account and my icloud account,, my iphone was recently destroyed by a woman in a fit of rage)
StygianKnight's point seems to make sense.. Ive grown pe/ape cased and uncased with all different types of casings,, cvg, peat/verm, straight verm...the coir/verm/gypsum always works best for me. I THINK pe/ape will do better with a casing than without (hell i THINK that about all cubes)
Either way, fuck it, youre growing and getting experience and the best way for us to get those amazing pe flushes we see on here is by experience. Dont give up and keep it rolling brother 👍✌


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: Beerusthedestroyer]
    #26265294 - 10/20/19 11:46 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Being one of the ones that did some of those experiments, my hypothesis is that a higher bulk to spawn ratio was indirectly creating this casing layer, and a normal ratio is fine with a good top layer.

I’m unsure of your tub design but when I was opening them for fruiting, they would be opened when about 20%-50% of the 1/2” verm layer was colonized.  In  tubs that are always open for fruiting the top layer should get enough air to knot once the myc hits the top. It’s fine for the casing layer to colonize.

This is a multispore PE tub that had a top layer of bulk sub mix applied to cover all the grains and then a 1/2” verm layer on top of that, and taped up for colonization.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26265317 - 10/20/19 11:58 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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StygianKnight said:
Being one of the ones that did some of those experiments, my hypothesis is that a higher bulk to spawn ratio was indirectly creating this casing layer, and a normal ratio is fine with a good top layer.

I’m unsure of your tub design but when I was opening them for fruiting, they would be opened when about 20%-50% of the 1/2” verm layer was colonized.  In  tubs that are always open for fruiting the top layer should get enough air to knot once the myc hits the top. It’s fine for the casing layer to colonize.

This is a multispore PE tub that had a top layer of bulk sub mix applied to cover all the grains and then a 1/2” verm layer on top of that, and taped up for colonization.




Multispore??? Thats truly amazing my friend! I hope to get something like that one day...ive had a tub where half of it looked KINDA like yours, not as tall tho. Jeeezus man, thats one of the best ms pe grows ive ever seen. Great fucking work man


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: Beerusthedestroyer]
    #26265343 - 10/20/19 12:20 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

so you put the top layer of bulk sub when you spawn the tub or do you add more after its fully colonized ?


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26266974 - 10/21/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Yea i seen your stuff which is why i cased my next two pe that were spawned oct10. I noticed they whole thing seemed on the dry side plus a side pin was actually a pin so i sprayed it a lot more often and gave it a bit of more direct sun and boom some of the balls sprouted a stem and it looks like some normal pins here and the starting ill post a few pics definitely wil be casing pe varieties now on but a few friends said they do case and still get blobs but just less... Also i have a peu and ape spawned same time as the blob tub yet they just now are knotting up is it too late to case them ill post pics here in a second.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: Psonic]
    #26267002 - 10/21/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

When spawning to bulk. Im unsure how a casing layer once colonized would do but added early before blob development might work.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26267302 - 10/21/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

This. They are knots

Penis envies mutation is retarded maturation. Think about it, look at the fruits. They are basically giant pins. Which explains of the poor Spore production. Explains the potency, correct?


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: vinnie boombotz]
    #26267317 - 10/21/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Pe blobs are simply that...blobs.
It's from nutritional overload much like shiitake which is why it happens on the first flush. Under the microscope it would simply look like mycelium.
It's only certain lineage that does this, the homestead version recently revived on Facebook does not blob.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: cronicr]
    #26267329 - 10/21/19 12:03 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So whoud an extra week or two of consolidation before putting into fruiting conditions use up excess nutrients, and reduce the number of blobs?

Has anyone tried activated charcoal and the casing mix?


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: vinnie boombotz]
    #26267337 - 10/21/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Many believe that's what casing helps is the prolonged fruiting.
Violet for example never got blobs with her v tek with consolidation and casing the problem is things like monotubs are hard to stop from fruiting lol


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: cronicr]
    #26267372 - 10/21/19 12:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

IMO blobs are caused by either poor signaling causing a fruit to miss parts of its development, excessive signally causing the grow command to occur sooner than expected or both.  Anything that keeps these signals on track should produce fruits instead of blobs, regardless of nutrition level.

So a top/casing layer to provide blatant triggers, and/or consolidation to move the myceliums focus on fruiting both should reduce blobbies.


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26267378 - 10/21/19 12:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Why would these signals only miss the first flush


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: cronicr]
    #26267414 - 10/21/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Additional consolidation time.

I’ve also observed a variety of different blobby styles.  From small bubbly sheets, to large fist size balls of dense flesh, to malformed fruits. 

One of the many reasons I don’t think it’s purely over nutrition is that consolidated grains will produce a decent number of fruits even though they are pure grain.

(Along with consolidation and casing, I’m also discovering the screams of contamination will produce a great pinset! Hilarious pictures and details probably later in the daily cultivation thread).


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Re: Blobs any more in depth info on what they are? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26267454 - 10/21/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You know it's only the lineage from the works that blobs and also they're the only ones who put their pe through heat treatment


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