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The power of the second amendment during war time
    #26265015 - 10/20/19 11:20 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

My friend recently brought this up in conversation. I thought this was an amazing bit of history.. Our founding fathers saved us from invasion by giving us freedom.

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In 1963 there was a meeting of the surviving officers of the United States Navy and the Japanese air force that bombed Pearl Harber on Dec. 7, 1941, destroying America's 6th Fleet. One U.S. Navy officer asked the top surviving Japanese officer why did Japan not attack the United States mainland.

The Japanese officer replied they knew America had government-sponsored rifle matches and local municipalities also sponsored rifle, shotgun and pistol matches and Americans were privately and personally armed. They were not going to attack an armed and and trained civilian population that kept these arms in their homes. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.




https://azdailysun.com/news/opinion/mailbag/gun-ownership-kept-japanese-at-bay/article_234b2654-26c2-57ad-944f-7eef4efb0e29.html


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: XUL]
    #26265029 - 10/20/19 11:29 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Lives saved from deterrence.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: XUL] * 4
    #26265103 - 10/20/19 12:11 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

This story is totally made up.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: koods] * 1
    #26265139 - 10/20/19 12:30 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

You're made up. :crankey:


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: XUL] * 3
    #26265157 - 10/20/19 12:42 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Dude a lot of people on here have never even used a gun. They know nothing about them and are afraid to even touch them. They believe machine guns are being sold to the public and that they're destroying America because people like Bernie Sanders says so. Of course in reality we don't even have fucking assault weapons! They also believe we don't have background checks :crankey:!!! In reality we've basically always had strict background checks!!! Dude the older I get the more a realize that most people are idiots .


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: Shenmue]
    #26265166 - 10/20/19 12:46 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Obviously this is one of the reasons American has never been attacked. Besides for the freedom of speech the 2nd amendment might be the most important freedom we have...


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: XUL] * 2
    #26265173 - 10/20/19 12:49 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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XUL said:
My friend recently brought this up in conversation. I thought this was an amazing bit of history.. Our founding fathers saved us from invasion by giving us freedom.

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In 1963 there was a meeting of the surviving officers of the United States Navy and the Japanese air force that bombed Pearl Harber on Dec. 7, 1941, destroying America's 6th Fleet. One U.S. Navy officer asked the top surviving Japanese officer why did Japan not attack the United States mainland.

The Japanese officer replied they knew America had government-sponsored rifle matches and local municipalities also sponsored rifle, shotgun and pistol matches and Americans were privately and personally armed. They were not going to attack an armed and and trained civilian population that kept these arms in their homes. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.




https://azdailysun.com/news/opinion/mailbag/gun-ownership-kept-japanese-at-bay/article_234b2654-26c2-57ad-944f-7eef4efb0e29.html




That story is totally bogus. There are number of reasons why the mainland wasn't actively attacked (though there were a couple of casualties on the mainland U.S. as a result of balloon delivered ordinance).

That said, I do believe a land attack would be a total failure in the U.S., the number of guns would indeed make in nearly impossible to fight what would quickly become a guerrilla war. It probably just means we would get nuked first.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: christopera]
    #26265276 - 10/20/19 01:40 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I don’t think japan ever had the intention to invade the us mainland. They had a hard enough time getting their fleet to Hawaii without detection, they would have never been able to get all the way across the pacific.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: koods]
    #26265283 - 10/20/19 01:41 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I don’t think japan ever had the intention to invade the us mainland. They had a hard enough time getting their fleet to Hawaii without detection, they would have never been able to get all the way across the pacific.




Exactly.

I think if they took Hawaii though they would have had a good jumping spot for a mainland attack.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: christopera]
    #26265936 - 10/20/19 07:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The Japanese invaded and occupied some islands in Alaska


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: koods]
    #26266014 - 10/20/19 08:54 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Reference for Alaska?


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: XUL]
    #26266017 - 10/20/19 08:57 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Look up the "Aleutian Islands campaign" at your favorite source.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: koods]
    #26266122 - 10/20/19 10:16 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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The Japanese invaded and occupied some islands in Alaska




Reference?


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: koods]
    #26266256 - 10/20/19 11:31 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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This story is totally made up.




This is taught in every high school history class.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26266329 - 10/21/19 12:24 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
This story is totally made up.




This is taught in every high school history class.



I'm Pro 2nd Amendment but I agree with Koods. Americans being armed was probably like the 10th reason they decided not to attack the mainland not the first, second, or even fifth top reason.

There's more Guns than there are people in America. Even if they stopped all Sales today, it would take multiple generations to even round up half the Guns in America. This would lead to a huge Gun black market, just like we have now with Drugs.

Anyone who wanted a Gun for illegal activity could easily find one, however the people who want them for Legal appropriate reasons wouldn't risk the chance of getting arrested. This means all the bad guys will be strapped and the only people getting punished are those who own Guns responsibly.

Major Gun Control wouldn't work at this point, we're too far down the road. I do like the idea of mandatory Gun Insurance though. We're forced to own Car Insurance for instance. In order to get a Gun Insured at a decent rate, Owners would be forced to take safety classes just like we take driving safety classes.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: Magicman69] * 1
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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: meltdowner]
    #26266491 - 10/21/19 03:57 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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This story is totally made up.




This is taught in every high school history class.




No it’s not.

I hadn’t even looked into this story when I said it was made up - it  but it turns out this is a notably bogus anectdote that’s been floated by gun supporters for years. Xul should do some fact checking before making a thread like this


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: Magicman69]
    #26266507 - 10/21/19 04:18 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Magicman69 said:
Quote:

meltdowner said:
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koods said:
This story is totally made up.




This is taught in every high school history class.



I'm Pro 2nd Amendment but I agree with Koods. Americans being armed was probably like the 10th reason they decided not to attack the mainland not the first, second, or even fifth top reason.

There's more Guns than there are people in America. Even if they stopped all Sales today, it would take multiple generations to even round up half the Guns in America. This would lead to a huge Gun black market, just like we have now with Drugs.

Anyone who wanted a Gun for illegal activity could easily find one, however the people who want them for Legal appropriate reasons wouldn't risk the chance of getting arrested. This means all the bad guys will be strapped and the only people getting punished are those who own Guns responsibly.

Major Gun Control wouldn't work at this point, we're too far down the road. I do like the idea of mandatory Gun Insurance though. We're forced to own Car Insurance for instance. In order to get a Gun Insured at a decent rate, Owners would be forced to take safety classes just like we take driving safety classes.




:kenthumbup:

I think general fire arm education should reappear in schooling. You won't be forced to do it but just like gym and math, you'll be in the class and at least have your subconscious exposed to something important you may not realize at the moment. My only concern with gun insurance is now law-abiding citizens have another barrier they have to deal with, whereas criminals don't and will have those firearms regardless. Other than that I completely agree.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 2
    #26266671 - 10/21/19 08:29 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I didn’t even click the link in the original post. The quote is obviously content for gun masturbators. Logistically, fighting a ground war 5,000 miles from your island nation is a pretty impossible task. Especially when there's a large naval outpost halfway between. So, you at best, have to take that outpost. Keep in mind, Hawaii wasn't even a state at the time.


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Re: The power of the second amendment during war time [Re: meltdowner]
    #26266689 - 10/21/19 08:39 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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This story is totally made up.




This is taught in every high school history class.




I think I can dig up a video of military officers discussing it.


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