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Pan cyan Martha thread 7
#26235096 - 10/07/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread is dedicated specifically to those running pans in a Martha set up we can discuss and share a different designs and fine-tune in techniques as well as just show off your success or post questions anything that has to do with Martha’s. I decided to make it specifically for pans as the dialing in is quite different for optimal performance depending on species. But we can also field other Martha questions on other species, If someone has a question about cubes in a Martha I don’t want a bunch of people jumping down their throat for wrong thread it’s cool we can do some cross over.
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Oh man! I need this thread. Thank you sir. I have one bag colonizing now and need to get my tent and humidity controller, humidifier etc.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y]
#26235123 - 10/07/19 10:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26235224 - 10/07/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26235235 - 10/07/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for starting this thread, Jake! I’m in the same boat as many others: want to set up a Martha for pans but haven’t yet. Looking at Mary’s Fairchilds setup as its pretty straightforward.
Question: RR has always said you should heat the ROOM, not the Martha. I’ll be setting up in my large unfinished basement so heating the room would be difficult. Do any of you heat your Martha as heating the room is not an option?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Cthulhu23]
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Cthulhu23]
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Cthulhu23 said: Thanks for starting this thread, Jake! I’m in the same boat as many others: want to set up a Martha for pans but haven’t yet. Looking at Mary’s Fairchilds setup as its pretty straightforward.
Question: RR has always said you should heat the ROOM, not the Martha. I’ll be setting up in my large unfinished basement so heating the room would be difficult. Do any of you heat your Martha as heating the room is not an option?
I believe some use seedling mats and or aquarium heater in tub for Martha heat.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y]
#26235265 - 10/07/19 11:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would an aquarium heater in water create much heat? I know it would create humidity and I would think it would up the heat a few degrees anyway
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
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It should go roughly 85-90 for an aquarium heater in a small space like a Martha. Seedling mat for less humidity.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y] 1
#26235290 - 10/07/19 11:48 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's my setup for actives, mostly pans and tamps but I do grow some cubes in there if I'm not using it for anything else.

Inkbird controller currently running at 95rh high end 72rh low end since I'm working on pinning right pans and tamps right now. This is an older pic so the humidfier is actually higher than shown so its not working so hard. Bathroom exaust fan down on the bottom left cycles on for 2 minutes off for 10. Reptile mat on ghe bottom set at 80F. Washing machine drip oan underneath keeps the run off in check. Also I now have LED strips on each shelf running 12/12.
Gourmet tent is pretty similar but this one I put a hepa filter on the intake just to see if it makes any difference and there's no heat source. If I'm not running any gourmet it's storage space for jars lol.
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So you pump the humidity in at the top and vent it out the bottom?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26235311 - 10/07/19 11:58 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Correct. The idea is to pull the humidity/airflow down across the subs surface.
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Thats a beautiful concept grim.
I've got some real good growth on grain with the pan cyan (wild florida) but it from an MS plate so im not really trying to expand it. Is there any way to fruit it alongside my cubes in the same tent? Ive got a humidity controller and a serious fogger that could fog the whole tent (around double the size of most shown here) in about 4 minutes. Basically what im asking is Is it possible to pull off pans with say, just misting? Or possiblly tubing my fogger to a seperate smaller martha? just dont know what my best route here is for just fruiting 1 qt for prints and clones. After this box ill hopefully have them in rotation for as long as theyll last but i cant disturb the cube op i already have going.
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I've seen some teks with the humidity going from bottom to the top, I was thinking it would be better from top down.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: the_sonic16] 1
#26235335 - 10/07/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been digging through posts looking at Marthas over the past few days and have found Frank's to be the most straight forward. It's pretty much the same as Mary Fairchild's, but a more detailed write-up.
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Frank's is pretty well what I run
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26235351 - 10/07/19 12:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said: Thats a beautiful concept grim.
I've got some real good growth on grain with the pan cyan (wild florida) but it from an MS plate so im not really trying to expand it. Is there any way to fruit it alongside my cubes in the same tent? Ive got a humidity controller and a serious fogger that could fog the whole tent (around double the size of most shown here) in about 4 minutes. Basically what im asking is Is it possible to pull off pans with say, just misting? Or possiblly tubing my fogger to a seperate smaller martha? just dont know what my best route here is for just fruiting 1 qt for prints and clones. After this box ill hopefully have them in rotation for as long as theyll last but i cant disturb the cube op i already have going.
It's all about timing for RH and such but you don't mist pans.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Cthulhu23]
#26235373 - 10/07/19 12:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cthulhu23 said: Thanks for starting this thread, Jake! I’m in the same boat as many others: want to set up a Martha for pans but haven’t yet. Looking at Mary’s Fairchilds setup as its pretty straightforward.
Question: RR has always said you should heat the ROOM, not the Martha. I’ll be setting up in my large unfinished basement so heating the room would be difficult. Do any of you heat your Martha as heating the room is not an option?
Yes especially be yes especially because I cycle air I want to pull hot air in from outside the tent then my fog system will either hydrate it and moisten my trays or allow it to pull right thru causing the evaporation I’m after (depending on cycle)
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I noticed that Frank said, "It's very easy to overthink a greenhouse."
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y] 2
#26235389 - 10/07/19 12:23 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I pulled this from my pan tek page this part talks about the Martha specifically figured I’d put it here, but yes I recommend bringing air in from top he aspect of this tek that really makes it a "JOC" tek is the cycling of your chambers humidity. Pans love evaporation taking place on the surface of the substrate. Not only does it induce pinning but it encourages the fruits to grow bigger fuller and thicker. To achieve this evaporation you need 2 things: FAE and heat.
Once you crank up the temp you will notice your sub will quickly dry out, and while you can hand mist several times a day to keep it going before the pins arrive u once they do if you mist them you will kill them. This means you must water by hand with a syringe and if your cranking your evap you will be hand watering all day lol.
So the way the jartha works is the fogger kicks on filling the tent. Then, while the fogger is still running, I have the fan (a bathroom fan down low than sucks air in thru the hepa filter mounted to the top of the tent) set to kick on so that it drags the fog down into the casings of the trays (the fogger is also up top feeding down). Then the fogger kicks off and the fan continues to run for 45 seconds to 1min (I'm constantly adjusting times slightly as the room rh changes) pulling in a bunch of hot dry air into the tent down across the trays and leaving the tent a dry hot place. This is when most of your evaporation takes place.
The tent will sit like this for about 10 min then the fogger will kick back on and the re-hydration stage starts up and the cycle repeats. now I can crank my evap and it waters itself without frying my fruits.

Everything you need to build your Martha system is at Home Depot except for the repeat cycle timers you get those on Amazon.
Material List
- Green house tent
- Air innovations humidifier ($40)
- Drip tray $10
- Sum hosing $10,
- Bathroom fan $16
- Honeywell fan hepa filter
- Velcro
- Duct tape (I use gorilla tape but ill call it DT)
- Plastic wrap.
- LED light strips multi spectrum is $50 the white $35
- A plug to hardwire the bathroom fan to if it does not come with a plug (often don't)
- You will probaly need sum extension cords and a powerstrip
Assembly Procedure
- To start lay out a piece of plastic wrap and then set your tent on top.
- Fold the plastic up around all four sides of then and seal with duct tape.
- Cut the plastic wrap so it and drop down in front where the tent zipper door is, then use the adhesive Velcro to put it up and down as you need to access then tent. (This makes sure that when then fan kicks on most of your air is sucked in thru the filter, and it also keeps your fog from escaping.)
- Next you need to attach the bathroom fan to the bottom of the tent so its pulling air. Trace it, cut a square, duct tape it in place.
- Then trace and cut the hepa filter in up top and seal with DT.
- Then lift the entire jartha up and set it on the drip tray. (This just protects your floors and helps keep bugs out.)
- Then take the strip lights and attach them to the bottoms of the shelves and the top of tent.
- Then cut your hosing so it comes up out of your humidifier and shoots down into the top of the tent ( i have the o2 condesner hosed into the fogger system but thats extra).

Aside: Kratom loves the enviroment in the Jartha and clones do well on the bottom shelf that i dont use anyway because its so close to the ground.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: cronicr] 1
#26235400 - 10/07/19 12:27 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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OKay so check this. I have This martha in which i fruit all of my cubes. It's got a fan and a fogger on a controller keeping the temp around 70 and humidity around 55 at all times. A little redundant considering i use monotubs, but it's easier to keep this area nice and clean than the entire room in which it resides, and i hate polyfil. I also have This marhta which i thought would suit my purposes but doesnt, and i just havent thrown it away yet. Would you guys just suggest putting the humidifier in there on some sort of time, which i will determine, and just leaving it alone? Or do i have to have some sort exhaust to cycle the humidity to give them the evaporation they need?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Asura]
#26235418 - 10/07/19 12:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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@Jake, how often do you have to refill those 1 gallon humidifiers?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Asura]
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The problem with putting the humidifier inside is you might fry its electronics. Also I think that would be a bitch to dial in without watching it constantly.
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the_sonic16 said: @Jake, how often do you have to refill those 1 gallon humidifiers?
I top em off every night but a full one will make it about 36-48 hours depending on my cycling
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So ive got this marthaQuote:
Grimsweeper said: The problem with putting the humidifier inside is you might fry its electronics. Also I think that would be a bitch to dial in without watching it constantly.
Was this directed at me? My humidifier is a floating fog disc in a 2 gallon water pitcher, connected to a humidity controller. I refill it once a month for the cubes because 55 is really easy to maintain, but i think the controller should save me from having to refill it all the time. And the only mechanical piece is the fogger but it's meant to be submerged. The controller is outside the tent.
I think i covered anything, do you still see a problem?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26235586 - 10/07/19 01:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see. No, just dialing in your humidity with a on/off timer could be tricky. I use a Inkbird humidity controller.
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Grimsweeper said: The problem with putting the humidifier inside is you might fry its electronics. Also I think that would be a bitch to dial in without watching it constantly.
Now that I've seen that great write up with the fogger I could definitely see the benefit. I said in another thread that I don't prefer the fogger over humidifier in the bottom, but if it works it works. My humidifier never failed after three years of running it inside the Martha. But the way I do it has enough evaporation that there isn't condensation or water everywhere. It looks like his fogger is set like my humidifier but his cycles are way shorter which makes sense bc they are good at pumping in humidity. I'm putting a new Martha together specifically for pans so I'm open to try other methods than what I used for cubes. I have lots of reptile heat mats but I need another thermostat. Has anyone used them and had it fail do to the humidity?
Oh and humidifier isn't a bitch to dial in if you start systematically. -First thing I do is put it in and time how long it takes to get from 0 to 100% humidity. -then I turn it off and time how long it stays at a stable humidity. -then when it starts to fall I time how long it takes to drop to low 80s. Mine usually hits 100% after 15 min on. Stays stable for 15 min, then drops over the next half hour. Once the timer is set I just add slits until I get the humidity drop I need before the cycle restarts. I think this would work no matter what the humidity source is. I just like the long cycle bc the up and down is less extreme and I feel like it's more forgiving if something goes wrong

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My temperature controller I bought at the same time as the reptile mat from Amazon. It should come up as frequently bought together. Been running it for a year or so without any trouble. I think they're made for high humidity environments like a reptile terrarium.
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Jakeoncid419 said: So I pulled this from my pan tek page this part talks about the Martha specifically figured I’d put it here, but yes I recommend bringing air in from top he aspect of this tek that really makes it a "JOC" tek is the cycling of your chambers humidity. Pans love evaporation taking place on the surface of the substrate. Not only does it induce pinning but it encourages the fruits to grow bigger fuller and thicker. To achieve this evaporation you need 2 things: FAE and heat.
Once you crank up the temp you will notice your sub will quickly dry out, and while you can hand mist several times a day to keep it going before the pins arrive u once they do if you mist them you will kill them. This means you must water by hand with a syringe and if your cranking your evap you will be hand watering all day lol.
So the way the jartha works is the fogger kicks on filling the tent. Then, while the fogger is still running, I have the fan (a bathroom fan down low than sucks air in thru the hepa filter mounted to the top of the tent) set to kick on so that it drags the fog down into the casings of the trays (the fogger is also up top feeding down). Then the fogger kicks off and the fan continues to run for 45 seconds to 1min (I'm constantly adjusting times slightly as the room rh changes) pulling in a bunch of hot dry air into the tent down across the trays and leaving the tent a dry hot place. This is when most of your evaporation takes place.
The tent will sit like this for about 10 min then the fogger will kick back on and the re-hydration stage starts up and the cycle repeats. now I can crank my evap and it waters itself without frying my fruits.

Everything you need to build your Martha system is at Home Depot except for the repeat cycle timers you get those on Amazon.
Material List
- Green house tent
- Air innovations humidifier ($40)
- Drip tray $10
- Sum hosing $10,
- Bathroom fan $16
- Honeywell fan hepa filter
- Velcro
- Duct tape (I use gorilla tape but ill call it DT)
- Plastic wrap.
- LED light strips multi spectrum is $50 the white $35
- A plug to hardwire the bathroom fan to if it does not come with a plug (often don't)
- You will probaly need sum extension cords and a powerstrip
Assembly Procedure
- To start lay out a piece of plastic wrap and then set your tent on top.
- Fold the plastic up around all four sides of then and seal with duct tape.
- Cut the plastic wrap so it and drop down in front where the tent zipper door is, then use the adhesive Velcro to put it up and down as you need to access then tent. (This makes sure that when then fan kicks on most of your air is sucked in thru the filter, and it also keeps your fog from escaping.)
- Next you need to attach the bathroom fan to the bottom of the tent so its pulling air. Trace it, cut a square, duct tape it in place.
- Then trace and cut the hepa filter in up top and seal with DT.
- Then lift the entire jartha up and set it on the drip tray. (This just protects your floors and helps keep bugs out.)
- Then take the strip lights and attach them to the bottoms of the shelves and the top of tent.
- Then cut your hosing so it comes up out of your humidifier and shoots down into the top of the tent ( i have the o2 condesner hosed into the fogger system but thats extra).

Aside: Kratom loves the enviroment in the Jartha and clones do well on the bottom shelf that i dont use anyway because its so close to the ground.

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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Cthulhu23]
#26236043 - 10/07/19 05:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: billb]
#26236052 - 10/07/19 05:25 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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my only issue with the whole system is open air fruiting. I still would really like to keep the mono WITH LID concept, if only for paranoias sake.... Is this possible? Could i just make a CVG+D (dung, probably black kow) and spawn to a mono like normal, with a, say, 80% low boundary with a 87% high boundary to allow for evaporation? Im just trying to change as little as possible, and if it's possible to just up the humidity and evaporation thatd be lit. Any temp changes?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa] 2
#26236069 - 10/07/19 05:35 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with open air. I'm probably more "open air" than anyone else growing pans and it's not a problem.
Not only do I grow open air, I am piping fresh air into my grow room from outside. I never get contams (in the GH) and I will go 3-5 flushes.
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Asura said: Nothing wrong with open air. I'm probably more "open air" than anyone else growing pans and it's not a problem.
Not only do I grow open air, I am piping fresh air into my grow room from outside. I never get contams (in the GH) and I will go 3-5 flushes.
Thats definitely inspiring... Maybe i could go with buried rounds in a SGFC? If i must keep the lid. Otherwise just get it to 90% and let evaporate every few hours? Basic principles?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26236092 - 10/07/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here we go! Glad I could contribute the idea, thanks for kicking off this thread with a bang Jake I’ll be building mine in the coming weeks and will post.
When doing cubes are the parameters basically the same other than maintaining a higher temperature?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
#26236095 - 10/07/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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(As in pan cyans requiring slightly higher fruiting temps than cubes).
Jake, what do you keep the temp of your Marthas at for pan cyans?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
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On my tent the air is pulled in thru a hepa so it’s not truly “open air” The oxygen condenser did seem promising however I need several more studies to prove one way or another it’s beneficial however in the few grows I ran with it tied into my tub system I did notice an increase but that could have just been genetics
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
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jbgtaa said: my only issue with the whole system is open air fruiting. I still would really like to keep the mono WITH LID concept, if only for paranoias sake.... Is this possible? Could i just make a CVG+D (dung, probably black kow) and spawn to a mono like normal, with a, say, 80% low boundary with a 87% high boundary to allow for evaporation? Im just trying to change as little as possible, and if it's possible to just up the humidity and evaporation thatd be lit. Any temp changes?
First pans I grew out were in a mod humidity chamber open air with a timed fan and innovations humidifier. It can be done without a martha for certain.
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OKay sweet. Im not against turning the small one i have into a pan station, it's just not necessary yet for me. After this shoebox it sure will be and ill need more help, but for now i can just replicate rain with timed fogs and keep it at... what temperature?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa] 2
#26236207 - 10/07/19 06:29 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like high 70s low 80s you can take it up higher though but the warmer your take it the more likely you are to contaminate however they do move faster peeking out in the upper 90s where are you will start hurting your fruits I like 82 Fahrenheit
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Perfect thank you. Do whatever it is i need to do to maintain 90% surface humidity with evaporation and 80 degrees F. Got it thank you so much...
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26236263 - 10/07/19 06:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well no you don’t have to maintain 90% surface humidity you actually want the surface humidity to drop causing evaporation so the humidity inside my tent well jump from the 50s to the 90s depending on what cycle it’s on other style tent styles usually run about 88RH
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I'll run cubes at pan temperature (80f+) as long as they're nearing fruiting and my spawn was clean AF. Jake and Asura are the experts here on canopies I'm just passing on what I get away with.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: SFS96]
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Cool thanks. Looks like I’ll need some heating pads or a space heater or something. Are you just keeping your whole home at 82? I couldn’t tolerate that personally. Or do you have another way you heat up the room/trays? I have a separate incubation room for spawn I keep a little under 80. I’m thinking I’ll fruit the pans in there for this first run, at least until I get my Martha built out.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
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Psilotyl said: Cool thanks. Looks like I’ll need some heating pads or a space heater or something. Are you just keeping your whole home at 82? I couldn’t tolerate that personally. Or do you have another way you heat up the room/trays? I have a separate incubation room for spawn I keep a little under 80. I’m thinking I’ll fruit the pans in there for this first run, at least until I get my Martha built out.
I'm wondering the same thing. I have an oil heater but I also have heat mats bc I keep snakes. I'm setting my Martha up in an area that I could heat ambient with the heater. I don't have enough heat mats to line all the shelves with and I'd like to do more than a few trays at a time. Seems like the heater outside the Martha won't heat the trays bc the Martha would shield it and inside where the evaporation happens would be colder than the room itself bc of physics. I've considered some kind of dub tub with fish tank heaters for the trays to sit in but that seems like overthinking it.
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Psilotyl said: Cool thanks. Looks like I’ll need some heating pads or a space heater or something. Are you just keeping your whole home at 82? I couldn’t tolerate that personally. Or do you have another way you heat up the room/trays? I have a separate incubation room for spawn I keep a little under 80. I’m thinking I’ll fruit the pans in there for this first run, at least until I get my Martha built out.
I'm wondering the same thing. I have an oil heater but I also have heat mats bc I keep snakes. I'm setting my Martha up in an area that I could heat ambient with the heater. I don't have enough heat mats to line all the shelves with and I'd like to do more than a few trays at a time. Seems like the heater outside the Martha won't heat the trays bc the Martha would shield it and inside where the evaporation happens would be colder than the room itself bc of physics. I've considered some kind of dub tub with fish tank heaters for the trays to sit in but that seems like overthinking it.
Word yeah I’m not heating my whole room up that high because I’ll have cubes going at the same time. So I was thinking heating mats but then again those have limited use on a fruit that’s rising in the air. A space heater inside the Martha seems like something I might accommodate and then account for with regard to RH and FAE since it is basically an intermittent fan the blows in hot air. I’m sure it could be dialed in though. Maybe if I just keep my house at 75 it’ll be hot enough in there but I sorta doubt it.
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I just have a small space heater, I heat the room my Martha’s are in. My wife keeps the house fridged so I actually like have a 82 degree refuge lol
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Hahaha. Nice. The warm mushroom den. Dig it
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
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If you go on midwest grow kite :i know i know...) they have this awesome pice of hardware that i think they hand build. It's a reptile heating lamp screwed in to be facing straight up, under a tray of wet lava rocks. Diffuses and speads heat Very well. Got my martha from 65 to 80 in less than an hr, and therm was at least 3 feet from the element.
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jbgtaa said: If you go on midwest grow kite :i know i know...) they have this awesome pice of hardware that i think they hand build. It's a reptile heating lamp screwed in to be facing straight up, under a tray of wet lava rocks. Diffuses and speads heat Very well. Got my martha from 65 to 80 in less than an hr, and therm was at least 3 feet from the element.
You mean this thing?

Problem is you have to buy a whole $200+ package of stuff to get that, it’s not sold separately. Here’s the whole thing as it’s sold, “The Mushroom Ecosphere”
I honestly have no idea what I am looking at or what to do with it lol. Every once in awhile you have to replace the lava rocks? Where does one even get lava rocks...these guys definitely know how to grow shrooms and eat them too, Jesus. With that being said I’m still interested for sure, could use a whole separate tent like that for pans I guess.
Can you explain to me a how the lava thing works and it’s upkeep? Did you implement that whole setup of theirs or mod it somehow or what? How well does it all work? Looks interesting.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
#26237597 - 10/08/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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If that thing works it might not be a terrible price I just don't know that it does. Seems complicated. I probably have $150 in mine.
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Dont clown on me but before i had ever even seen a live psilocybe fruit i bought that whole ecosphere bullshit. That heater is the only thing i still use from it, i even replaced the tent with a bigger one because that one it came with was way too small for my needs.
So the bulb on the bottom is a regular old infrared, heat emitting bulb for reptiles. It screws into the power source, and sit's under a tray full of lava rocks. To my knowledge they dont have to be replaced, but if you must they can be found at home depot. You keep them slightly moist (or dont doesnt matter) and it's got a sliding dimmer switch to maintain temperature. You will need a thermometer to measure the temp and dial in how much you wat it to give off, but it's definitely an innovative alternative to a ceramic/coil space heater which almost always gets too hot and throws a stream of heat, where as with this the lava rocks diffuse it. That is the main function of the lava rocks, kinda like perlite with it's wicking properties. Honestly the heat componenet probably would cost 30 dollars and 2 hrs to make. just some wood and a light bulb outlet wired to a dimmer with a tray built on top.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
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Thanks jbgtaa!
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jbgtaa said: Dont clown on me but before i had ever even seen a live psilocybe fruit i bought that whole ecosphere bullshit. That heater is the only thing i still use from it, i even replaced the tent with a bigger one because that one it came with was way too small for my needs.
So the bulb on the bottom is a regular old infrared, heat emitting bulb for reptiles. It screws into the power source, and sit's under a tray full of lava rocks. To my knowledge they dont have to be replaced, but if you must they can be found at home depot. You keep them slightly moist (or dont doesnt matter) and it's got a sliding dimmer switch to maintain temperature. You will need a thermometer to measure the temp and dial in how much you wat it to give off, but it's definitely an innovative alternative to a ceramic/coil space heater which almost always gets too hot and throws a stream of heat, where as with this the lava rocks diffuse it. That is the main function of the lava rocks, kinda like perlite with it's wicking properties. Honestly the heat componenet probably would cost 30 dollars and 2 hrs to make. just some wood and a light bulb outlet wired to a dimmer with a tray built on top.
That’s actually not a bad way to start the journey of growing. We all start somewhere. I’m intrigued at the idea of a few separate greenhouses, all for different species (I do cubes and Mexicanas, and now pans, so three). I’m not opposed to buying that thing and setting it up as my pans grow chamber to get a feel for it.
I got my first four tier in today. About to set it up. Don’t have anything to turn it into a Martha but I’ll be doing that next week. I’ll probably also buy that ecosphere because my pans will be ready fairly soon to fruit. It seems like it would do the trick. Will report back on how things go. Thanks Jbgtaa
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Here’s a video I found of a Martha build in progress.
He definitely doesn’t have his dialed in yet but still cool to see. Jake’s TEK pretty much includes all the info needed in a much more thorough way.
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That’s a solid Martha but it’s different than my build, I also have a fan and intake they a hepa he runs a fogger off a sensor and maintains a constant rh which is fine for lion’s mane but he is going to find that his lion’s mane done look right because he doesn’t have enough fae. Now that setup he has would run cubes just fine and pans will work to this is how or similar to mary and asuras Martha fine cycles rh between low and high to evap and rehydrate in stages. If I want to run oysters or lm in it I’ll dial my fogger & fan to run together so I get my fae but don’t cycle my rh
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Jakeoncid419 said: That’s a solid Martha but it’s different than my build, I also have a fan and intake they a hepa he runs a fogger off a sensor and maintains a constant rh which is fine for lion’s mane but he is going to find that his lion’s mane done look right because he doesn’t have enough fae. Now that setup he has would run cubes just fine and pans will work to this is how or similar to mary and asuras Martha fine cycles rh between low and high to evap and rehydrate in stages. If I want to run oysters or lm in it I’ll dial my fogger & fan to run together so I get my fae but don’t cycle my rh
It’s definitely not fully happening as there is no accounting for FAE and as he admits his humidifier isn’t getting things up where it needs to be. Dude has made a solid start but yeah I’m in agreement with ya
The video brought me to house of hydro which looks to have some pretty solid stuff for sale that could be used for Martha builds.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
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Dont go buy ANYTHING from MWGK. theyre prices are ridiculous and they know it. Get a marthe from home depot or make something like this


I use it as a shielded spawn shelf but take 2 food service wire racks, 4 shelved, put them facing each other, and put painters plastic over the 2 and make a tent with shelves on each side.
I made that with just painters plastic, zip ties, and a ZipWall zipper from menards (home depot or lowes if u dont have menards, its a mostly midwestern thing)
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jbgtaa said: Dont go buy ANYTHING from MWGK. theyre prices are ridiculous and they know it. Get a marthe from home depot or make something like this


I use it as a shielded spawn shelf but take 2 food service wire racks, 4 shelved, put them facing each other, and put painters plastic over the 2 and make a tent with shelves on each side.
I made that with just painters plastic, zip ties, and a ZipWall zipper from menards (home depot or lowes if u dont have menards, its a mostly midwestern thing)
Price doesn’t seem that bad. I’m mostly looking for something to start with that includes a heating element. Your setup looks cool for sure. I’m already doing my own thing for cubes first. If I find a decent solution for heating for pans I might replicate it + heating element. I’m open to it anyway. I guess I could just put a space heater on the bottom shelf but I’m worried about that messing with FAE.
My other option is to simply make a little room in my jar incubation room I keep around 78-80 and have it in there. Still weighing my options, that one make a lot of sense I think...if I change a few things up in there it could fit. Probably makes the most sense, actually.
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jbgtaa said: Dont go buy ANYTHING from MWGK. theyre prices are ridiculous and they know it. Get a marthe from home depot or make something like this


I use it as a shielded spawn shelf but take 2 food service wire racks, 4 shelved, put them facing each other, and put painters plastic over the 2 and make a tent with shelves on each side.
I made that with just painters plastic, zip ties, and a ZipWall zipper from menards (home depot or lowes if u dont have menards, its a mostly midwestern thing)
Jbg- does -that zipper stick to the plastic like packaging tape or something? Or does it have to be heated? Interesting for sure. Thank you
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Psilotyl—- I use no heating or anything, I work in a basement. It only got to 80 in the basement over the summer it’s down to 70 rn. U probably don’t need anything to incubate with. Does pan cyan need higher incubation temps?
K5—- It comes with a piece of paper and you pull it off when your ready to stick it on. I put the painters plastic on the shelves and secure it completely and then put the zipper on, unzip it, then cut the plastic. Cut the excess zipper off and duct tape the bottom cuz it doesn’t have a stopper and that’s it.
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I think pans have to fruit at 80 or so.
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Right on jbg! Very cool of you for sharing, and thanks!
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Do they have to colonize at a different temperature? I didn’t know they had to fruit at that temp, looks like I’m gonna have set a whole thing up I can’t heat my cubes like that lol at least I’ve still got a week or so until the grains ready. Just gonna do one jar might split it into two really small sandwich boxes and use a SGFC, does that sound plausible? If that works out and I can get some clones and prints I’ll build a Martha out of those shelves and plastic and post it here
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
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I tried a SGFC and failed on my Pan Jamaica
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Mine are colonizing just fine next to my ape. Same comfortable room temp. 74°-77°
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#26243072 - 10/10/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Evaporation is what is going to induce pin formation evaporation takes place more at warmer temperatures I found they do best 80 to 82°F but it’s not just the temperature it’s the evaporation that makes the difference in how good your pin set will be.
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This is all mine ever did pretty much got a little denser but never bigger.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26243122 - 10/10/19 04:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Badass thread jake. Tc worthy.
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eatyualive said: Badass thread jake. Tc worthy.
Thanks bud yeah it’s good to see so many people interested in the Martha it’s nice because you can grow different strains at the same time and they really do have quite different effects from one to another and it is very helpful to be able to narrow down which ones work best for you in both micro & macro
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is there possibly a link to what im trying to do? small scale pan testing?
ive seen macmerdins pan cakes but isnt that an sgfc?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26243187 - 10/10/19 05:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a room full of Martha’s around 2002. But I had more space. I had rigged a fogger unit to them! Loved the setup at the time. I was one of the first to grow pan cambos directly from mushroom John and ralphster. They didn’t drop spores though and these were hand fanned.


I also did them in vitro

Anyway this is one of the only shots I could find and it had some cube action but wanted to show you the intake. I used a sewer hose and closet flanges to secure them cleanly to the Martha. Lookup closet flange at Home Depot they are like 5 bucks. Then you don’t have to duct tape your input line into the top. You can attach the flange and get a clean line right into the top. Much smoother transition and it holds up well. I think I used silicone to attach it. The flange itself has a small attachment so you attach it from the inside and outside and it makes a seal. Just poke a small hole. I’ll keep digging for my old setup.

Anyway I pmed you a link to my old automated setup in my journal. This was from a very long time ago.
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#26243267 - 10/10/19 05:35 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Closet flange looks cool!
For anyone interest in a bucket fogger, I highly recommend them.
I use both parts of this dryer vent connector for my bucket fogger.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-4-in-Dryer-Vent-Duct-to-Wall-Connector-EZCNHD/203626503

The piece on the left is how I attach the hose to the fogger lid. The piece on right is attached to another part of the lid. It's cool because it allows you to just drop a 4" duct fan on it. When I need to refill the fogger, I can just lift up the fan and pour water through there.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Asura]
#26243329 - 10/10/19 06:07 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for posting that Asura!
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: eatyualive]
#26243337 - 10/10/19 06:10 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is my old bucket fogger setup. Kinda ghetto rigged but I had nothing to go on except figuring it out at the time. Similar to yours asura. I drew a diagram.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11391597/page/1
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: eatyualive]
#26243344 - 10/10/19 06:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would it be possible to miniaturize those? Pipe the fogger into a 100qt tub with pan trays an perlite and... would there be any way to control Evap in a situation like besides hand fanning? Poly holes, Mp tape holes?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26243356 - 10/10/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is what I'm setting up right now. I used to use the harbor freight one with great success. Do you think the larger environment is easier to control?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: eatyualive]
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eatyualive said: This is my old bucket fogger setup. Kinda ghetto rigged but I had nothing to go on except figuring it out at the time. Similar to yours asura. I drew a diagram.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11391597/page/1
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Asura]
#26247558 - 10/12/19 02:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I started a journal entry for my first Martha build. Granted it’s for cubes, but still. Link is in my sig for anyone interested. I’m going with the Air Innovations humidifier like Jake has, and basically following his TEK. Thanks again man.
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Hey guys, I've built my Martha and got everything but timers. I can only find timers that run in 30 min intervals, and I need like 10. I even bought one that I had to download an app for thinking that would work but it only lets me set 5 timers a day. What do you guys use for timers?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26257802 - 10/17/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol Yeah I went through that also. you need repeat cycle timers they are on Amazon
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Thank you Jake, I know this is cyan thread as well but until mine are ready what's a good way to dial it in for cubes till my Cyans are ready for the Martha?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26258030 - 10/17/19 09:19 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cubes don’t need as much evaporation as pans, I would dial it to run around 88RH for cubes, kick the fan on for a min or so every 15-20 min, or you can set the fogger and fam yo run together and then play around with the run time. I’ve never optimized mine for cubes as I usually just run a bag or 2 invitro occasionally, but I do know they dont to as well in the tent dialed in for pans as they do in a traditional mono
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26258180 - 10/17/19 10:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Np glad to help! Good luck!
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I know nobody asked for my input but 88% humidity is super high fora cube tent. I think. Bod gave me some solid information that the surrounding area shouldnt be higher than 70% or so percent to allow for the type of evaporation that cubes need. something about not being enough air to hold the moisture above 60%? idk i keep my fogger on a willhi with a 55lb and 65hb and havent had to mist a damn thing in a couple months.
Actually i havent had to do anything except for offset the lid at pinning because of the insane amount of moisture. I may even have my humidity set too high
Id go with 55-60% humidity and just leave a SMALL fan on all the time. All of this information is only relevant if you are still sticking with monos in the tent. IF your going open air or large scale pftek style martha then none of what i said applie and i have no helpful information to offer
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26258356 - 10/17/19 11:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right now, I've just got shoeboxes with no lids inside. 2 APE and 1 tamp.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
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definitely need a higher humidity than i stated. just fucking around, or you thinking of changing your cube methods? I've really wanted to play around with the idea of 'spawn run', meaning no fae during substrate colonization, and then removing from the tubs and open air fruiting like a massive SGFC.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
#26258392 - 10/17/19 11:53 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wanted to make one for Cyans and stuff. But my cyan stuff is colonizing so I figure I'll use it for cubes until then. I've still got several shoeboxes don't their own thing but figured I'd play around with a Martha
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26258466 - 10/17/19 12:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I mean you can run your cubes in the Martha but I really don’t see any advantage to it it’s going to dump a big spore load in there and they do better in mono tub’s, bags, shoebox’s..... Like I said I haven’t spent a lot of time working with dialing in cubes on my designs growing cubes has pretty much been hammered down you can’t get much better than a wall-to-wall mono however when I used to grow them on suspended logs I maintained damn near 99% humidity and I had a very large flushes of course I had large fruit in chambers this was years ago and I have learned a lot about cultivation since then And if I were to do it again I would just stack mono tubs in the room instead, But I was getting full pin sets the entire way around the log And a Fruits crew massive especially my Nepalese strain I several logs covered in fruits that were well over a foot tall. But yeah I’m not claiming that’s how they should be grown just saying what I experienced. Honestly four cubes I really am in love with the in vitro Spohn bags it makes it so simple I can stash them wherever I have room I don’t have to worry about them I just check on them every few days and see how far off the harvest is
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I was thinking about putting them back in my room with all my other monos and shoeboxes cause I know they work and wait for my Cyans to finish colonizing. I don't wanna ruin 3 boxes cause I felt like fuckin around. Nice fruits Jake 👍
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#26258567 - 10/17/19 01:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I mean it won’t ruin it but it will dump a bunch of spores in there or you’ll need to replace your exhaust filter and you’ll have to wipe it all down and running them in there in no way will prepare you to run pans in there. Pans move quick it will be loaded before you know it! Oh and thank you !
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I have my cube tent set up and going. Humidistat keeping it between 85-94% humidity. Fan at bottom, vent at top. I’m really liking it so far, especially how automated it all is. I don’t see why I wouldn’t get some great results. I have three trays one of which is starting to fruit. We shall see.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
#26261553 - 10/18/19 04:58 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jake, how do you have your piping taped into your air innovations? I’m getting a little leakage of humidity when the piping is not totally vertical, nothing to worry about. When it’s set vertical it’s A1. I have the piping taped right on top on the little vent piece it came with.
Overall I’m impressed with unit. I don’t have to refill it much and does it’s job well. Results are starting to show, nice even pinsets happening. Ill take some pictures of the whole thing soon and post. Moving it today into another room.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
#26262284 - 10/19/19 02:08 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok Jake, I'm considering getting the gadgets you run on your Martha. I'm old school humidifier in the bottom, timers and physics. But I think your way will be more fitting for the size I'm building. It's https://www.amazon.com/Giantex-Portable-Greenhouse-Outdoors-Indoors/dp/B00LVG3TFA/ref=mp_s_a_1_44?keywords=metal+shelving+grow+tent&qid=1571440409&sr=8-44 My other idea is to run this like a secondary enclosure bc I will be running tubs as well. For pans and cubes. I'm hoping to set a temp gradient where I can fruit both by using this big space. What are your thoughts? I will likely experiment anyway but I will at least know your thoughts as I gather equipment. Also is the magnetic stir plate really worth it for pan lc like asura? I have a lot of experience but not with pans and I want to streamline this. I have everything I need but a stir plate and picked out an enclosure.
What I mean by streamlining is I'm doing agar work, multiplying that out, spawning several tubs/trays of the same stuff and fruiting hopefully inside that tent indoors. Cubes/pans once they germinate
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Here’s what I’ve got going on. I’ve dialed the humidity to kick on at 85% and shut off at 93%. Any higher and it’s just way too wet in there. My hydrometer (a pretty decent one) reads 99% whenever the sensor for the humidistat is reading anywhere around 90%. I’m getting good growth so I’m pretty stoked. It’s cycles on/off just about every hour on the hour. Fan runs constantly for FAE at a low/medium setting. Doing fine without any grow light, catching indirect light from window. I have a nice light I can put up if needed. All this for around ~$140 or less. Quality...and again, stoked.
Will continue to update and let you guys know how it’s works into terms of actual fruiting application and capabilities there This tent is for cubes, like I’ve said. Very easy to set up and get going basically following Jake’s TEK. Thanks again!
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
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Just picked a flush, hence not much shroomage visible. The other two are pinning
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Psilotyl said: Jake, how do you have your piping taped into your air innovations? I’m getting a little leakage of humidity when the piping is not totally vertical, nothing to worry about. When it’s set vertical it’s A1. I have the piping taped right on top on the little vent piece it came with.
Overall I’m impressed with unit. I don’t have to refill it much and does it’s job well. Results are starting to show, nice even pinsets happening. Ill take some pictures of the whole thing soon and post. Moving it today into another room.
You can cut a starvinto the plastic so you have flaps you can use to tape them together.Quote:
spiritlands said: Ok Jake, I'm considering getting the gadgets you run on your Martha. I'm old school humidifier in the bottom, timers and physics. But I think your way will be more fitting for the size I'm building. It's https://www.amazon.com/Giantex-Portable-Greenhouse-Outdoors-Indoors/dp/B00LVG3TFA/ref=mp_s_a_1_44?keywords=metal+shelving+grow+tent&qid=1571440409&sr=8-44 My other idea is to run this like a secondary enclosure bc I will be running tubs as well. For pans and cubes. I'm hoping to set a temp gradient where I can fruit both by using this big space. What are your thoughts? I will likely experiment anyway but I will at least know your thoughts as I gather equipment. Also is the magnetic stir plate really worth it for pan lc like asura? I have a lot of experience but not with pans and I want to streamline this. I have everything I need but a stir plate and picked out an enclosure.
What I mean by streamlining is I'm doing agar work, multiplying that out, spawning several tubs/trays of the same stuff and fruiting hopefully inside that tent indoors. Cubes/pans once they germinate
The big tent could be used you’re definitely going to need to make some modifications to get the same Thermo dynamics in an area that bag putting a tent inside of a tent is a little unnecessary especially if the intake of your tent is filtered like in my design pans do like things warmer than cubes not the cubes will not grow at those temperatures but it’s really unnecessary and contamination likes warmer temperatures also that’s not to say you couldn’t put your tents within a tent I just don’t see It being necessary
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I mostly want the big tent to isolate a space to put tubs and its one giant room so it will be easier to regulate temp inside the tent instead of try to heat the whole building. My workspace is large and cold, 60ish. I'm hoping if I get the temps right up top for pans then down below will be lower seventies for cubes. If not I'll just have to make a small one for the pans and keep the big one for tubs.
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Finally got my timer and my inkbird humidity/temp controller. Now I just gotta get some pans in there. I've got estero, Jamaica and Cambo on agar waiting to germinate. Till then, it's a cube Martha.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
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Alright so I’ve got a brick of Hawaiian cubensis set to fruit. This will be the test to see if RH and FAE are dialed in. Pining has started just barely, have my fingers crossed for a nice canopy.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Psilotyl]
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To the ones that use the exhaust fan at the bottom and humidifier at the top. Since pans requires more FAE than cubes. How many air exchanges you guys do per hour with the exhaust fan? You guys turn on the exhaust fan once every hour for 1 minute?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26278226 - 10/26/19 12:37 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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For cycling? My system runs about every 12 min
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Hi Jake,
I'm planning to build my martha following your TEK. I have a problem with the humidifier, as the one you suggest is not available in Europe. I would have to pay customs and shipping so it would get to ~90 Euros.
I found this one: https://www.amazon.de/Luftbefeuchter-TaoTronics-Raumbefeuchter-Schlafzimmer-Keramikfilter/dp/B01837YKN4/ref=sr_1_47_sspa?ie=UTF8&keywords=air%20innovations%20luftbefeuchter&language=en_GB&psc=1&qid=1579958243&smid=A2X2NO3429IQ5W&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyRUU4Rk5GQjhHMFpXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTAzODY2MzlNQUVHUU5MTTIzSyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjQ3MzQwMVBaMkk1UU44VzlMOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2J0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU%3D&sr=8-47-spons
which looks similar but has a little smaller tank (3.5 liters) and a double nozzle... but it would be at 28 Euros.
What do you think? Is this one ok for gorwing Pans in a martha or do you think I should import the one from Air Innovations?
Edit: Wait, are you from Swizerland? If so, where did you get yours?
Edit2: What measures do your GH-tents have?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
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Now I am actually using a house of Hydro disc in a tote with a fan it can hold several gallons of water at once it’s very easy to build I’ll get you some pictures later
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All right, I'll wait for it.
Please also see my edits to my former post, I had one more question regarding the tent measures.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
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GH= 27”L x 19w x 76”H
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Looks great.
Those 6-10 head ultrasonic disc-foggers cost around 150-200 Euros 
I'd better go with a 90 Euros imported humidifier then.
Is there some major improvement with these bucket foggers? I mean, they have no ceramic filters, no antibacterial filters, take more room, you need to build them yourself and the disc-foggers are quite expensive. So apart from needing to fill them less frequent, what is the benefit?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26451452 - 01/25/20 08:53 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thats my preferred method jake!
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
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Prietenul said: Looks great.
Those 6-10 head ultrasonic disc-foggers cost around 150-200 Euros 
I'd better go with a 90 Euros imported humidifier then.
Is there some major improvement with these bucket foggers? I mean, they have no ceramic filters, no antibacterial filters, take more room, you need to build them yourself and the disc-foggers are quite expensive. So apart from needing to fill them less frequent, what is the benefit?
Nah nah nah you don’t need that many discs. My gh was double the size of jakes and I just used one, got it on amazon for 10 bucks
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
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@eatyoualive:
Care to elaborate why?
@jbgtaa:
Good to knowl. That makes it much more interesting. Is there any other improvement to the cool mist foggers?
I'm a noob, and I really don't want to step on anybodies toes here, but I try to figure out what the benefits of one over the other are. And I haven't seen anything convincing yet...
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
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Yeah you definitely don’t need that many a three head should be plenty I just had this one left over from another project I never ended up doing that’s still works but my times are much shorter now the reason I like this design though is because of how much more water it can hold but that will not change if you get a three head single head or 12 head
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Single heads are around 15 Euros, three heads are already 100 Euros. I've seen with 8-12 heads starting from 180 up to 400 Euros! These suckers are crazy. Who the hell pays 300-400 Euros for a fucking fogger. I mean maybe some Disco-Club owner or so...
So you say a single head is enough?
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Is there a fan attached to the fogger to push the humidity into the tent or is it just the exhaust fan kicking in to suck the humidity out? Still only one fan per tent, right? And would timing with the fogger be: fan kicks on for one minute, then fogger for x min, then fan kicks off y minutes after fogger is off? Hope that makes sense. Also do you have a check valve to keep the other tent from sucking the humidity back and forth through the fogger?
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orca shrooms said: Is there a fan attached to the fogger to push the humidity into the tent or is it just the exhaust fan kicking in to suck the humidity out? Still only one fan per tent, right? And would timing with the fogger be: fan kicks on for one minute, then fogger for x min, then fan kicks off y minutes after fogger is off? Hope that makes sense. Also do you have a check valve to keep the other tent from sucking the humidity back and forth through the fogger?
I don't see a fan on the box. I guess if there would be one, it would make the use of the hepa filter obsolete, bc it would pull "dirty" air from around the fogger and push it into the GH without being filtered.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
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Yes there is a fan cut into front of tub, The gallon single disc units will work you just have to add water every single day
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Jakeoncid419 said: Yes there is a fan cut into front of tub, The gallon single disc units will work you just have to add water every single day
Don't you fear that the air pulled in by that fan circumvents the reason for using a hepa filter?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
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It probably does a little bit I run I have a tower in the room but I’m sure it’s not completely sterile hasn’t seem to bother anything though you will see stuff starts growing in humidifiers pretty quickly regardless how you have it set up
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@Prietenul a single head fogger will work fine for a martha. I hooked up my 3-head bucket fogger to a martha last year and had to do some work to make sure I didn't drench everything in there. Way over-powered.
You could probably make it work with a cheap one disc model, just be prepared to change them out more frequently. Bucket foggers are the where it's at.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Asura]
#26451735 - 01/25/20 11:53 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yeah they are amazing I’m size of the other foggers I moved the. To my kratom tents but I’m so ready to get another hoh disc. I’m gonna get the 3 head for that one.
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Shit, I have been reloading page 6 and didn't realize that you guys responded already and a new page was created 
I bought a cheap 30 Euros ultrasonic fogger with a 6 liter water-tank. On ebay I found a wicking humidifier for also around 30 Euros (in fact it's an evaporator, I hope that is a "wicking humidifier" )
For that little money it's ok if they die in one year or so and the fogg (according to reviews) is huge. Maybe I'll add an aquarium heater later.
Can't wait for the stuff to arrive. Now I just need to program my arduino so it can measure humidity/temp and turn them on/off. Have all the sensors and relays lying around anyway...
The only shitty thing is, that I bought 100l Perlite for the SGFCs which will rot in the basement, now that I don't need it anymore
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You're going to want to use distilled water with that ultrasonic. Not sure what your water supply is like there, but in my neck of the woods there are lots of minerals that will build up. Distilled water will keep it running a lot longer.
I don't think it matters what kind of water you use with the wicking humidifier.
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Yeah I was using distilled water for a while but then that just got so expensive I started using tap water the disks last about three months on the mineral heavy tap water so it’s about 1/8 the price to just replace my disks every three months then it is to buy all that distilled water
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The discs from HOH clean up well with vinegar and water. I think I can get like 8 months out of a set.
When I ordered my fogger, I got that "tough coat" options...and they sent me two foggers in the mail for the price of 1
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Asura]
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Asura said: You're going to want to use distilled water with that ultrasonic. Not sure what your water supply is like there, but in my neck of the woods there are lots of minerals that will build up. Distilled water will keep it running a lot longer.
Yeah, here there is, too. I'll use distilled water for it. 5 liters cost 1.45 Euros, that's 1.60$. Don't think that's too expensive. Maybe I could produce it on my own at home. (I don't pay for tap water)
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I don't think it matters what kind of water you use with the wicking humidifier.
Yeah, it can be cleaned with vinegar or artificial cleaner. I'll post about my setup once it's up and running. Will have some questions dialing it in, for sure
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26453385 - 01/26/20 11:39 AM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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The bathroom where my martha is located is at 90% humidity. I'm using timers like jake.
Jake how long would you set up your extractor fan if the humidity of the room is at 90%? Currently i'm running 4 minutes on 12 minutes off.
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where do you find the drip tray for the greenhouse?
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I know this is an old thread, but can you suggest a good starting point for the f.a.e cycle using a tub humidifier with fan blowing it In?
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jddiver82]
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jddiver82 said: I know this is an old thread, but can you suggest a good starting point for the f.a.e cycle using a tub humidifier with fan blowing it In?
It will completely depend on too many variables to even guess. How many discs make up your fogger? What is the ambient conditions of your room? Fan size and speed, tent size, etc., etc. will all change what cycles work for you.
Read JOC Tek if you haven't already, there is additional information that will help you out. The biggest one is using empty trays to gauge what your cycles need to be. Monitor how much water builds up on your trays, and watch how fast it evaporates.
What worked best with pans for me, was a cycle where the water slowly built up over the course of a few days, so there was more fog being pumped in than could completely evaporate each cycle.
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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
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even in the context of automated environments i dont recommend fans at all
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When I say fan, I mean the inline / waterproof PC fan for the fogger, and the exhaust fan that JOC uses. I don't mean an oscillating fan for circulation. 
It's literally impossible to build a Jartha (JOC Tek Martha) without using fans.
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ohhh i misread the other guys comment
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@Jakeoncid419 what is ur cycle time?
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