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Pan cyan Martha thread * 7
    #26235096 - 10/07/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is dedicated specifically to those running pans in a Martha set up we can discuss and share a different designs and fine-tune in techniques as well as just show off your success or post questions anything that has to do with Martha’s.  I decided to make it specifically for pans as the dialing in is quite different for optimal performance depending on species. But we can also field other Martha questions on other species, If someone has a question about cubes in a Martha I don’t want a bunch of people jumping down their throat for wrong thread it’s cool we can do some cross over.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26235113 - 10/07/19 10:36 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Oh man! I need this thread.
Thank you sir.
I have one bag colonizing now and need to get my tent and humidity controller, humidifier etc.

Awesome thread idea bro


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y]
    #26235123 - 10/07/19 10:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Following this :thumbsup:


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26235224 - 10/07/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26235235 - 10/07/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for starting this thread, Jake!  I’m in the same boat as many others: want to set up a Martha for pans but haven’t yet.  Looking at Mary’s Fairchilds setup as its pretty straightforward.

Question: RR has always said you should heat the ROOM, not the Martha.  I’ll be setting up in my large unfinished basement so heating the room would be difficult.  Do any of you heat your Martha as heating the room is not an option?


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Cthulhu23]
    #26235243 - 10/07/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I've got that link saved as a favorite.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Cthulhu23]
    #26235256 - 10/07/19 11:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for starting this thread, Jake!  I’m in the same boat as many others: want to set up a Martha for pans but haven’t yet.  Looking at Mary’s Fairchilds setup as its pretty straightforward.

Question: RR has always said you should heat the ROOM, not the Martha.  I’ll be setting up in my large unfinished basement so heating the room would be difficult.  Do any of you heat your Martha as heating the room is not an option?




I believe some use seedling mats and or aquarium heater in tub for Martha heat.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y]
    #26235265 - 10/07/19 11:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Would an aquarium heater in water create much heat? I know it would create humidity and I would think it would up the heat a few degrees anyway


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26235277 - 10/07/19 11:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

It should go roughly 85-90 for an aquarium heater in a small space like a Martha. Seedling mat for less humidity.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y] * 1
    #26235290 - 10/07/19 11:48 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Here's my setup for actives, mostly pans and tamps but I do grow some cubes in there if I'm not using it for anything else.



Inkbird controller currently running at 95rh high end 72rh low end since I'm working on pinning right pans and tamps right now. This is an older pic so the humidfier is actually higher than shown so its not working so hard. Bathroom exaust fan down on the bottom left cycles on for 2 minutes off for 10. Reptile mat on ghe bottom set at 80F. Washing machine drip oan underneath keeps the run off in check. Also I now have LED strips on each shelf running 12/12.

Gourmet tent is pretty similar but this one I put a hepa filter on the intake just to see if it makes any difference and there's no heat source. If I'm not running any gourmet it's storage space for jars lol.



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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26235300 - 10/07/19 11:52 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So you pump the humidity in at the top and vent it out the bottom?


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26235311 - 10/07/19 11:58 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Correct. The idea is to pull the humidity/airflow down across the subs surface.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26235327 - 10/07/19 12:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thats a beautiful concept grim.

I've got some real good growth on grain with the pan cyan (wild florida) but it from an MS plate so im not really trying to expand it. Is there any way to fruit it alongside my cubes in the same tent? Ive got a humidity controller and a serious fogger that could fog the whole tent (around double the size of most shown here) in about 4 minutes. Basically what im asking is Is it possible to pull off pans with say, just misting? Or possiblly tubing my fogger to a seperate smaller martha? just dont know what my best route here is for just fruiting 1 qt for prints and clones. After this box ill hopefully have them in rotation for as long as theyll last but i cant disturb the cube op i already have going.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26235330 - 10/07/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen some teks with the humidity going from bottom to the top, I was thinking it would be better from top down.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: the_sonic16] * 1
    #26235335 - 10/07/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I've been digging through posts looking at Marthas over the past few days and have found Frank's to be the most straight forward. It's pretty much the same as Mary Fairchild's, but a more detailed write-up.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: the_sonic16]
    #26235341 - 10/07/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Frank's is pretty well what I run


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26235351 - 10/07/19 12:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Thats a beautiful concept grim.

I've got some real good growth on grain with the pan cyan (wild florida) but it from an MS plate so im not really trying to expand it. Is there any way to fruit it alongside my cubes in the same tent? Ive got a humidity controller and a serious fogger that could fog the whole tent (around double the size of most shown here) in about 4 minutes. Basically what im asking is Is it possible to pull off pans with say, just misting? Or possiblly tubing my fogger to a seperate smaller martha? just dont know what my best route here is for just fruiting 1 qt for prints and clones. After this box ill hopefully have them in rotation for as long as theyll last but i cant disturb the cube op i already have going.



It's all about timing for RH and such but you don't mist pans.


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Cthulhu23]
    #26235373 - 10/07/19 12:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for starting this thread, Jake!  I’m in the same boat as many others: want to set up a Martha for pans but haven’t yet.  Looking at Mary’s Fairchilds setup as its pretty straightforward.

Question: RR has always said you should heat the ROOM, not the Martha.  I’ll be setting up in my large unfinished basement so heating the room would be difficult.  Do any of you heat your Martha as heating the room is not an option?



Yes especially be yes especially because I cycle air I want to pull hot air in from outside the tent then my fog system will either hydrate it and moisten my trays or allow it to pull right thru causing the evaporation I’m after (depending on cycle)


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26235374 - 10/07/19 12:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I noticed that Frank said,
"It's very easy to overthink a greenhouse.":takingnotes:


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Re: Pan cyan Martha thread [Re: k5hd2y] * 2
    #26235389 - 10/07/19 12:23 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So I pulled this from my pan tek page this part talks about the Martha specifically figured I’d put it here, but yes I recommend bringing air in from top
he aspect of this tek that really makes it a "JOC" tek is the cycling of your chambers humidity. Pans love evaporation taking place on the surface of the substrate. Not only does it induce pinning but it encourages the fruits to grow bigger fuller and thicker. To achieve this evaporation you need 2 things: FAE and heat.

Once you crank up the temp you will notice your sub will quickly dry out, and while you can hand mist several times a day to keep it going before the pins arrive u once they do if you mist them you will kill them. This means you must water by hand with a syringe and if your cranking your evap you will be hand watering all day lol.

So the way the jartha works is the fogger kicks on filling the tent. Then, while the fogger is still running, I have the fan (a bathroom fan down low than sucks air in thru the hepa filter mounted to the top of the tent) set to kick on so that it drags the fog down into the casings of the trays (the fogger is also up top feeding down). Then the fogger kicks off and the fan continues to run for 45 seconds  to 1min (I'm constantly adjusting times slightly as the room rh changes) pulling in a bunch of hot dry air into the tent down across the trays and leaving the tent a dry hot place. This is when most of your evaporation takes place.

The tent will sit like this for about 10 min then the fogger will kick back on and the re-hydration stage starts up and the cycle repeats. now I can crank my evap and it waters itself without frying my fruits.


Everything you need to build your Martha system is at Home Depot except for the repeat cycle timers you get those on Amazon.

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  • Green house tent
  • Air innovations humidifier  ($40) 
  • Drip tray  $10
  • Sum hosing $10,
  • Bathroom fan $16
  • Honeywell fan hepa filter
  • Velcro
  • Duct tape (I use gorilla tape but ill call it DT)
  • Plastic wrap.
  • LED light strips multi spectrum is $50 the white $35
  • A plug to hardwire the bathroom fan to if it does not come with a plug (often don't)
  • You will probaly need sum extension cords and a powerstrip


Assembly Procedure
  • To start lay out a piece of plastic wrap and then set your tent on top.
  • Fold the plastic up around all four sides of then and seal with duct tape.
  • Cut the plastic wrap so it and drop down in front where the tent zipper door is, then use the adhesive Velcro to put it up and down as you need to access then tent. (This makes sure that when then fan kicks on most of your air is sucked in thru the filter, and it also keeps your fog from escaping.)
  • Next you need to attach the bathroom fan to the bottom of the tent so its pulling air. Trace it, cut a square, duct tape it in place.
  • Then trace and cut the hepa filter in up top and seal with DT.
  • Then lift the entire jartha up and set it on the drip tray. (This just protects your floors and helps keep bugs out.)
  • Then take the strip lights and attach them to the bottoms of the shelves and the top of tent.
  • Then cut your hosing so it comes up out of your humidifier and shoots down into the top of the tent ( i have the o2 condesner hosed into the fogger system but thats extra).




Aside: Kratom loves the enviroment in the Jartha and clones do well on the bottom shelf that i dont use anyway because its so close to the ground.



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