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replyom

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Success rates with plastic lid + whole SFD?
#26233366 - 10/06/19 11:21 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Currently I have the lids of my wide mouth quart grain jars set up like this. The entire synthetic filter disc is pressed between the ring and the lid.
 
When I'm doing agar to grain transfers, the ring/filter/lid tend to separate, and I think dealing with that causes unnecessary turbulence in the SAB.
I'm thinking about trying plastic lids + whole filter disc, as shown below (filter disc pressed between the plastic lid and the glass edge of the jar). The filter disc is exactly the same size as the plastic lid; fits perfectly inside it.
 
Have any of you fine people tried this? Any reason it won't work? Thanks : )
EDIT: Found SpitballJedi's tek about this, but as far as I can tell he never tried it enough to arrive at a verdict with regards to its effectiveness and if the contamination rates were any different than other lid setups.
Edited by replyom (10/06/19 02:11 PM)
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: replyom] 2
#26233369 - 10/06/19 11:24 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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You dont need a filter with the plastic one piece lids imo.
Most people prefer to silicone a quarter sized piece of sfds to the lid instead of using the entire thing.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: mushboy]
#26233375 - 10/06/19 11:27 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't even use the filters on the two piece lids
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replyom

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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: cronicr]
#26233384 - 10/06/19 11:31 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: You dont need a filter with the plastic one piece lids imo.
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cronicr said: I don't even use the filters on the two piece lids
Wait, are you guys saying that you colonize your spawn in air-tight jars? No air exchange at all?
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: replyom]
#26233389 - 10/06/19 11:35 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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For grain I'll use a filter with the two piece but the plastic lids can be cracked for ge
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: cronicr]
#26233400 - 10/06/19 11:43 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use the plastic lids with a little piece of sfd held on over the ge hole with rtv. I know you can use the lids cracked and unmodded but i don't like it. It's so easy and cheap to modify a shitload of lids in an afternoon and never have to worry about tightening and untightening unmodded lids again. But, to each their own.
And op, yes, many people have tried lids like those. It all works if you do it correctly.
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replyom

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@cronicr Ah that makes more sense, thanks
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verum subsequentis said: I use the plastic lids with a little piece of sfd held on over the ge hole with rtv. I know you can use the lids cracked and unmodded but i don't like it. It's so easy and cheap to modify a shitload of lids in an afternoon and never have to worry about tightening and untightening unmodded lids again. But, to each their own.
And op, yes, many people have tried lids like those. It all works if you do it correctly.
Does this lid setup have a name so I can search it in the forums? And what does 'doing it correctly' entail? Anything to know other than drill hole, put SFD in place, tighten lid? Thanks : )
EDIT: Found SpitballJedi's tek about this, but as far as I can tell he never tried it enough to arrive at a verdict with regards to its effectiveness and if the contamination rates were any different than other lid setups.
Edited by replyom (10/06/19 02:09 PM)
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: replyom]
#27284065 - 04/27/21 03:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey did you ever try this out? I’m tired of rusty meta lids and I have a lot of sfds already, don’t really want to fuck with silicon and all that. Was thinking just drill a couple holes in plastic lids and put a full sfd pad under it?
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Noobieboomers]
#27284164 - 04/27/21 06:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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As mentioned above, some have good experiences with just the plastic lid, no filter. This is also how I roll, cranked completely tight after inoculation. Average 2 week colonization with basic cultures.
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Feasoghorm

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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: LadysKnight]
#27284173 - 04/27/21 06:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I refuse to use them fucking two piece deals.
I basically jst drilled 1/4" holes in all my plastic lids and stuck a sfd sticker over it. Them stickers seem to work great. Jst ordered like 260 of them.
The plastic lids do loosen during pc cycle. That pisses me off. Seems like it allows water into a few jars here and there. Been trying to find a way to wrap the lids in aluminum foil so they dnt loosen, but they tricky.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27284186 - 04/27/21 06:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Feasoghorm said: Been trying to find a way to wrap the lids in aluminum foil so they dnt loosen, but they tricky.
I had always wrapped my upper jars in foil until a couple years ago. Always looking to simplify, I found it to be unnecessary.
Place in pc with lids loose, just tight enough to tap the threads, load cool into sab, inoculate, tighten, shake.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: LadysKnight]
#27284238 - 04/27/21 07:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I started using these little sfd stickers on the plastic lids. I had my doubts but they've been working great. I hate working with silicon
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Benson]
#27284432 - 04/27/21 10:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Benson said: I started using these little sfd stickers on the plastic lids. I had my doubts but they've been working great. I hate working with silicon
Silicone is a bitch to work with. Fucking smells and impossible not to get somewhere you dnt want it, like on your clothes somehow. Loving these sfd stckers.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27284680 - 04/28/21 05:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wonder how long they'll last.
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Josex
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Dem new kids should try poly filters. I promise they're not that hard to figure out and are as efficient as it gets. They are good for a good bunch of cycles before you have to change them, also they cheap. IMO, glue of any kind doesn't belong on a lid, ever.
We old-school folks with our good 'ol poly filters, becoming scarce these days...
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Benson
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verum subsequentis said: Wonder how long they'll last.
Same... I've only PCed them 2-3 times and they seem to be holding up so far. But I'm definitely not doing numbers like some of you fungalmancers. @Feasoghorm how may runs have you done with them?
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Benson]
#27284806 - 04/28/21 07:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Benson]
#27304707 - 05/11/21 06:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Feasoghorm said:
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Benson said: I started using these little sfd stickers on the plastic lids. I had my doubts but they've been working great. I hate working with silicon
Silicone is a bitch to work with. Fucking smells and impossible not to get somewhere you dnt want it, like on your clothes somehow. Loving these sfd stckers.
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verum subsequentis said: Wonder how long they'll last.
Same... I've only PCed them 2-3 times and they seem to be holding up so far. But I'm definitely not doing numbers like some of you fungalmancers. @Feasoghorm how may runs have you done with them?
Quick question... Are you guys putting these on top of the lids with the adhesive facing down towards the grain, or on the bottom, with the adhesive pointing up towards the open air?
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: replyom]
#27304767 - 05/11/21 07:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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replyom said:
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mushboy said: You dont need a filter with the plastic one piece lids imo.
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cronicr said: I don't even use the filters on the two piece lids
Wait, are you guys saying that you colonize your spawn in air-tight jars? No air exchange at all?
i colonized spawn in airtight jars a few times. i would have to do a side by side comparison to know for sure but it seemed to work just as well. i finally put holes in my lids because i was tired of fighting to get them open after they vacuum sealed themselves in the pc. even if i left the lids loose they would get sucked down sometimes. also i was paranoid about contams getting sucked in when i unsealed them
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: bakedbeings]
#27304832 - 05/11/21 08:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lostkeys said:
Quick question... Are you guys putting these on top of the lids with the adhesive facing down towards the grain, or on the bottom, with the adhesive pointing up towards the open air?
I would attach them to the top of the lid with the glue facing in.
I use the below tek to attach quarter sized SFDs to lids:
Improved melted SFD/lid tek 2.0 (no more silicone)
This is how the Ball lids look when complete:
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Lostkeys]
#27304890 - 05/11/21 08:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Feasoghorm said:
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Benson said: I started using these little sfd stickers on the plastic lids. I had my doubts but they've been working great. I hate working with silicon
Silicone is a bitch to work with. Fucking smells and impossible not to get somewhere you dnt want it, like on your clothes somehow. Loving these sfd stckers.
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verum subsequentis said: Wonder how long they'll last.
Same... I've only PCed them 2-3 times and they seem to be holding up so far. But I'm definitely not doing numbers like some of you fungalmancers. @Feasoghorm how may runs have you done with them?
Quick question... Are you guys putting these on top of the lids with the adhesive facing down towards the grain, or on the bottom, with the adhesive pointing up towards the open air?
On the outside. Currently at 5 runs and they're looking good
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: replyom]
#27305082 - 05/12/21 01:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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replyom said:
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mushboy said: You dont need a filter with the plastic one piece lids imo.
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cronicr said: I don't even use the filters on the two piece lids
Wait, are you guys saying that you colonize your spawn in air-tight jars? No air exchange at all?
I'm partial to the two piece; flipping the lid upside down and keep the ring slightly loose. Hasn't failed me yet.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: give.more]
#27305271 - 05/12/21 06:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Even when those stickers fail you can just rtv em down. I got about 5 to 10 runs before they stopped sticking. I just rtvd them down.
I chucked all my filtered kids except a couple metal ones and run unmodded plastic . Keep the metal around for lcs when my media bottles are full. I crank the kids down after innoculating, if I'm not fully colonized in two weeks im suprised
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: replyom]
#27305321 - 05/12/21 07:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use whole sfds with metal lids just for simplistic sake.
Its not the cheapest way to do it but its easy.
Just drill two wholes in the metal lid and then put the sfd between the ring and the lid so it filters those holes.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: The Mycologist]
#27305324 - 05/12/21 07:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fuck modifying lids. Just use plastic one piece lids intact.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Failboat]
#27305334 - 05/12/21 07:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Fuck modifying lids. Just use plastic one piece lids intact.
I just tried this the first time. Works great! Just loosen the lid a touch when pc'ing and chilling... tighten for shaking and generally handling the jar.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
#27305377 - 05/12/21 08:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The majority of my lids are modified, but once I realized it's unnecessary I never went back.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: Josex]
#27305610 - 05/12/21 11:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Josex said:
We old-school folks with our good 'ol poly filters, becoming scarce these days...

Once I realized that I can make an almost infinite amount of lids out of my couch pillow I am never going back to expensive SDFs that I have to order through the mail. The SDFs will wear down and need to be replaced, which is not fun when they are glued in place with silicone.The polyfill filters can just be pulled out and replaced when it's time to do that. It may be a combination of thin SDFs that I can get here and the fact that a 1€ pillow is enough for 100 lids.
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Re: Has anyone tried this grain jar lid setup? [Re: LittleBoard]
#27305942 - 05/12/21 03:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good SFDs will last a long long time. I've run mine countless times without need to replace.
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Josex
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Yeah 
Been using the same (whole) SFD's since I started with the hobby years ago and they are still as good as the first day, only a lot uglier lol I have never even rinsed them with bleach solution like some peeps do, a good SFD is that tough.
Just something I wouldn't buy again cuz I prefer the much cheaper (and yet efficient as hell) poly filters. Not a fan myself of ripping apart cushions and pillows tho, I prefer to buy a bag for toy stuffing because these are usually higher quality (there's such a thing as polyfil quality ime) and goes a long friking way.
Polyfil filters all day, you just need to get it nice and tight.
Edited by Josex (05/12/21 04:07 PM)
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