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stareatclouds
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Spiritualscience said: I did use my small space heater on the third flush and they were dry in about 8 hours, but my closet was as hot as Hell.
Now just point your fan in there and ta-daa, you've got yourself a dehydrator!
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Spiritualscience
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#26230680 - 10/04/19 09:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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LtLurker said: Here's the most important part of the debate we been having. He's trying to tell me fan for 24hrs and desiccant is "JUST AS GOOD" as a dehydrator. I'm saying, fan drying is a crappy drying method and crumbling shrooms does not sound totally dry ime(sounds like my old fan dried shrooms that weren't cracker dry in retrospect) I'm saying, dehydrator is the best way to make sure they are actually dry and potency is definitely not degrading.
I think there's something to be said about how this question is phrased and the paraphrase of the advice repeated here. I still stand by saying they are not equal, fan drying sucks and is unreliable. Possible? Sure. But not necessarily a good method, and definitely not "AS GOOD" as a dehydrator.
I said you can get them just as dry, but a dehydrator is more convenient and faster. You said "desiccant doesn't really dry things very well." Then you said my shrooms were still wet because I used desiccant.
You asked me to post here so I did. Now that everyone is pretty much confirming you are full of shit, you want to reword your statement.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ChardRich]
#26230682 - 10/04/19 09:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea... no. we don't need to make this about bickering and insults. This isn't tattle tale time. We all threw insults. I'm far more interested in accurate information and growing techniques and hoping spirit understands, just cause something kinda works(fan drying, pre sterile grains, ms>grains), doesn't mean it's a good technique or as good as the current preferred methods.
@ spirit, and i said i think it's unlikely they're totally dry. You told me how they crumble, how they were only on the fan for 24hrs, and for desiccant, as i understand it, yes mostly just helps keep things dry more than actually dries out wet things. I'm not re-wording anything, i gave you the same responses and reasoning i give everyone i help. I asked you to post here to confirm, and every post i see says pretty much the same thing in a different way. Fan drying is possible, but not as good as a dehydrator. I'm just going a step further and saying i don't believe you actually got them cracker dry in your scenerio in addition to the general statement on fan vs dehydrator.
Edited by LtLurker (10/04/19 09:53 PM)
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stareatclouds said:
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Spiritualscience said: I did use my small space heater on the third flush and they were dry in about 8 hours, but my closet was as hot as Hell.
Now just point your fan in there and ta-daa, you've got yourself a dehydrator!
Yeah, it is the kind with a fan, so it worked exactly the same but the heat filled the closet and crept out into the room. I imagine the dehydrator would contain the heat much better. I used to have one for food. I can't remember it heating the room up so much.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#26230690 - 10/04/19 09:50 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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God damn...the energy today is crazy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds] 2
#26230692 - 10/04/19 09:51 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enough with the shit char. Here's the truth.. Fan drying is not better then a dehydrator because a dehydrator is fan drying with warm air. Potency loss is irrelevant because both methods will lose the psilocin both will retain the psilocybin. Just because one person can achieve 80% moisture loss before going to desiccant does not mean everybody can and vice versa. A guy living in Puerto Rico where the th is 99 in his fucking living room will be very hard pressed to lose 20 % with a fan lol, meanwhile me in my house at 40% I can get to an 80% loss no problem ECT.
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In all levels of fairness I dont believe any one is saying desiccant is the way to go .. even if it works it's not what any one will tell someone to use .. maybe 30 years ago it was cool but not now ..
Just like spores to grain yes it works .. should you get into agar ? Yes you should get into agar .. should everyone do spores to grain ? No they shouldn't..
A dehydrator is way cheaper then buying desiccant in the long run period
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47] 1
#26230700 - 10/04/19 09:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boogieman47 said: In all levels of fairness I dont believe any one is saying desiccant is the way to go .. even if it works it's not what any one will tell someone to use .. maybe 30 years ago it was cool but not now ..
Just like spores to grain yes it works .. should you get into agar ? Yes you should get into agar .. should everyone do spores to grain ? No they shouldn't..
A dehydrator is way cheaper then buying desiccant in the long run period
Dehydrator is cheaper in the short run ffs😂 desiccant ain't cheap either.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26230709 - 10/04/19 09:58 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Enough with the shit char. Here's the truth.. Fan drying is not better then a dehydrator because a dehydrator is fan drying with warm air. Potency loss is irrelevant because both methods will lose the psilocin both will retain the psilocybin. Just because one person can achieve 80% moisture loss before going to desiccant does not mean everybody can and vice versa. A guy living in Puerto Rico where the th is 99 in his fucking living room will be very hard pressed to lose 20 % with a fan lol, meanwhile me in my house at 40% I can get to an 80% loss no problem ECT.
Shot cron since this got your attention i think you got a correction on me here. I coulda swore I've seen a few times from reliable posters that trying to dry over fan for multiple days is going to lose more potency than a quick 12-24hr dehydrate. Is that bit just not true, or assumption? Same for mushrooms not 100% dry, that moisture left behind after insufficient drying will degrade psilocybin more?
Edited by LtLurker (10/04/19 09:59 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
#26230718 - 10/04/19 10:04 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't imagine messing with all that extra stuff after getting a cheap dehydrator
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26230720 - 10/04/19 10:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh I thought it was to a degree .. anything I cant reuse is expensive why I use pastys haha..
Only time I tried to buy them was to keep in the ammo boxes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] 1
#26230725 - 10/04/19 10:08 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocin degrades in heat light and oxygen so your pretty fucked either way but there's not much to start with. Psilocybin does not break down like psilocin does because it has a phosphate group attached to the molecule at the oxygen atom leaving it far more stable
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26230727 - 10/04/19 10:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about storing them in the fridge when you have no space left ? Length of time I mean days is still cool or not ?
Edited by Boogieman47 (10/04/19 10:12 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47] 1
#26230728 - 10/04/19 10:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boogieman47 said: What about storing them in the fridge when you have no space left ?
1st world problems fridge is also a decent drying method That's why pizza comes out hard as fuck after 2 days. As for damp mushrooms well that's just gonna break the whole mushroom down lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26230732 - 10/04/19 10:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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always bag left over pizza
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26230734 - 10/04/19 10:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha sometimes I'll have 3 buckets in the fridge and can only dry 2 in a half so I will have shrooms in there 3 days but usually no longer then that
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#26230735 - 10/04/19 10:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I store mine in my bum.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#26230737 - 10/04/19 10:16 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Psilocin degrades in heat light and oxygen so your pretty fucked either way but there's not much to start with. Psilocybin does not break down like psilocin does because it has a phosphate group attached to the molecule at the oxygen atom leaving it far more stable
Thanks man. Always good to get something out of these. So insufficient drying would only affect potency as far as weight measurements being off or straight up wet enough to rot is what i'm getting from that. You're gonna lose that psilocin and keep the psilocybin contents either way.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26230738 - 10/04/19 10:19 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would like to see some up to date studies, older studies have shown not much psilocin if any at all gets produced in the first couple of flushes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: pixelpopper]
#26230744 - 10/04/19 10:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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pixelpopper said: I can't imagine messing with all that extra stuff after getting a cheap dehydrator 
It is not much to mess with. I just oven dried a bunch of Epsom salts and leave them in a sealed Tupperware container. I have to stay stealth for my wife and teenagers. I can run a small hidden fan in my room at night and my air purifier drowns out the sound. The fan is a normal room ornament that no one questions. I'm not sure where I could hide a dehydrator. I have thought about it over and over. I would much rather be done in one step than two.
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