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Lepiota rhacodes?
    #26224119 - 10/02/19 09:44 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)



is this Lepiota rhacodes?

found growing in the woods (grass, dirt, leaves) southeast pennsylvania, USA Sept. 2019.

The spore print was white but i dont have photo because...
i only had white paper to take the print on and photo didnt show the white spores. sorry.
but the spores are white.

the veil is large and extremely fragile.

this shroom smells pretty good.

see photos.
my hand is in one photo for size comparison.
shroom was apprx. 6 to 7 inches tall.
cap is apprx. 3 inch diameter.
agaric.

thanx for your help with i.d.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: earlkayoss]
    #26224307 - 10/02/19 10:56 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Wow that is throwing me. It looks lepiotoid and maybe I'll be embarassed but that high annulus, could it be something like Amanita thiersii? I don't live near you so that's my guess. Beautiful mushroom.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Joie]
    #26224323 - 10/02/19 11:04 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

is there anything else i can do to help i.d.?
i still have the shroom.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: earlkayoss]
    #26224328 - 10/02/19 11:09 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Not that I'll know your answer, but do you know what type of tree it was that it was growing right next to? Might hold some clues to someone more knowledgeable, but might not.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: p.bio]
    #26224407 - 10/02/19 11:42 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Dunno what species of tree it was. sorry.

it's a very sturdy shroom.
hardly any sign of degeneration
even tho i picked it 24 hrs. ago.
the stem bruises and compresses,
almost like a clay feeling.
it's beefy.
the cap is quite sturdy too but
the veil was so fragile that if you breathed on it,
it would fall apart.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: earlkayoss]
    #26224445 - 10/02/19 11:54 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

That bulb and the gill colour, maybe A. daucipes? Pretty sure we can chuck my last suggestion out the window. See who else chimes in, there are a few Amanita buffs and idk nuffin. Keep trying here and wherever (fb? Mushroom Observer?) because it is cool.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Joie]
    #26224485 - 10/02/19 12:09 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I was initially thinking Echinoderma sp., however I'm not personally familiar with the genus.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26224516 - 10/02/19 12:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

:smile: I like the option. I am quite hopeful about it being in Amanita sect. Lepidella because of the veil and the gill coloration but that is not a position based on much more than my very most recent browsing.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Joie]
    #26224530 - 10/02/19 12:27 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

My thoughts are based on the cap surface looking more cracked and scaly than warty. Also, I can't see any traces of a volva.

Other than that, I can't say for sure.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26224547 - 10/02/19 12:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yep I am unsure of all that as well, idk.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: earlkayoss]
    #26225228 - 10/02/19 05:29 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

earlkayoss said:





I'm also confused by the obvious rooting stem.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26225307 - 10/02/19 05:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I'm thinking Amanita subsection Solitariae, maybe something like Amanita rhopalopus?


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Duggstar]
    #26225432 - 10/02/19 06:44 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I'm thinking Amanita subsection Solitariae, maybe something like Amanita rhopalopus?




I dunno, looking at pictures of that species it appears to have a very different annulus.
Also there seems to be much more marked zones around the stem base.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26225520 - 10/02/19 07:16 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I know that one doesn't seem to be quite right, hence the question mark, but I'm just wondering if it could be something closely related.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Duggstar]
    #26225548 - 10/02/19 07:30 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Amanita daucipes has a turnip shaped root like this, and creamy gills like this. That's the vicinity surely. Hey where are the Amanita people?


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: Joie] * 1
    #26225987 - 10/02/19 10:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I'd call it A. daucipes.  The reddish-pink staining turnip bulb, although not diagnostic, is a good indicator. The cap warts and staining intensity can be highly variable.

"The volva on the cap takes a variety of forms—thick cake-like warts and/or narrow subconic or small pyramidal warts sometimes connected at tips suggesting decoration on some Lycoperdon spp.; toward the cap margin, the warts become smaller.  At first the warts are white to pale pinkish.  They then become pinkish beige to pinkish to reddish pink; with age, they become pallid on the sides and grayish on top; and they are easily removable."

http://www.amanitaceae.org/?Amanita+daucipes


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: donjonson420]
    #26226676 - 10/03/19 08:17 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thanks for trying to help me, folks.

is Lepiota rhacodes out  of the running here?
I still lean towards Lepiota rhacodes but...
i have the least amount of knowledge here.

i didnt see any pink at all in the bumps on the cap.
the photos of the cap are pretty accurate shots in regard to color
they are brownish.
and those bumps are not easily removed at all.

i am surprised at how sturdy this shroom is.
picked a few days ago and it's still quite sturdy, both cap and stem.
maybe we will never know for 100% sure what it is.
and thats ok.
right now i still lean towards Lepiota rhacodes.
if it it isnt that species, why not?
what makes anyone think it isnt that species?


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: earlkayoss]
    #26226886 - 10/03/19 11:15 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Only way to know for sure is to send it in to get DNA sequencing


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: earlkayoss]
    #26226895 - 10/03/19 11:19 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Definitely not Lepiota or Chlorophyllum. A. ravenelli is your other option if you feel that the "warts rest on a base of pallid, radially fibrillose material." The staining is highly variable in A. daucipes and seems consistent with what I'd expect considering the dry weather we've had all season in the NE.


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Re: Lepiota rhacodes? [Re: donjonson420]
    #26227055 - 10/03/19 12:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thank you.
I cant get DNA test so....
unless there's another way to 100% i.d.,
we did our best but came up a tiny bit short on this shroom.
and that's fine.
it was fun finding it and looking into it.

thanks again for your kind help with the i.d. - ek.


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