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Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature.
    #26223831 - 10/02/19 03:55 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

EvilMushroom666s PF tek is good in many ways.

But it says to leave BRF Pk tek jars in the pot/steamer/PC OVERNIGHT

Jars cool to room temp, in my experience, in like 1-2 hours after the heat is turned off.

Some bacteria prefer the cold (Refridgerator temps) some the room temp (41-145°F,  5 to 63°C)
The room temp bacteria are the ones we need to prevent most.


https://courses.lumenlearning.com/microbiology/chapter/temperature-and-microbial-growth/


I reccomend refridgerating BRF jars, in a ziplok baggie, as soon as they are room temprature/cool to the touch.


Bacteria grow in the 41-145F rapidly, and within 2 hours, the bateria colony size it double what it was at the beginning, at least.


"food(Steam/PCd brown rice) that remains in this(41-145F) zone for more than two hours should not be consumed."

Just 2 hours!
Some people leave jars out overnight, which is 8 hours!
I think the PF Tek should be updated to refridgerate jars as soon as they reach room temp.

By leaving jars overnight, bacteria will start growing, if any survived the boiling, or crept in through gaps in the pot/PC.

So anyone who gets contaminated BRF jars, try refridgerating your jars ASAP!


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: AlienSapien] * 3
    #26223838 - 10/02/19 03:58 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

This is bullshit.

You are still full of shit.


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: ChardRich]
    #26223844 - 10/02/19 04:04 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

"Refridgerate food within 2 hours of cooking it"
“Time plus warmer temperatures equals growth of bacteria,”

The above advice applies to our Mycelium as well as humans.

The steam sterilization hopefully killed any bacteria, but by leaving the jars overnight, any bacteria will grow.

If you refridgerate and then inoculate.. The baceteria will still grow, later during inoculation, and the colonization phase.. So refridgeration is still better than letting contam grow overnight, since cold temps slow most bacteria.


Edited by AlienSapien (10/02/19 04:06 AM)


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: AlienSapien] * 3
    #26223846 - 10/02/19 04:07 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Shit is spewing out of your mouth


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: ChardRich]
    #26223848 - 10/02/19 04:08 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yo I suggest you learn about how bacteria grow, I pasted some links.


Edited by AlienSapien (10/02/19 04:09 AM)


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: AlienSapien] * 3
    #26223852 - 10/02/19 04:13 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Couldn't hear you through all the shit, yo


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: ChardRich]
    #26223856 - 10/02/19 04:14 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

"Danger zone (food safety)
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The Danger Zone is an area in which there is a high risk of harm, especially where there this risk has been officially identified.

The temperature range in which food-borne bacteria can grow is known as the danger zone. Food safety agencies, such as the United States' Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSiIS), define the danger poo as roughly 5 to 63 °C (41 to 145 °F).[1][2][3] The FSIS stipulates that potentially hazardous food should not be stored at temperatures in this range in order to prevent foodborne illness (for example, a refrigerator's temperature must be kept below 4 °C (40 °F)[4]), and that food that remains in this zone for more than two hours should not be consumed.[5] Foodborne microorganisms grow much faster in the middle of the zone, at temperatures between 21 and 47 °C (70 and 117 °F).[6] "


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: AlienSapien] * 3
    #26223859 - 10/02/19 04:18 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Wikipedia? Never heard of her. Sounds like a lot more bulllllllllllll shit


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: AlienSapien] * 1
    #26223874 - 10/02/19 04:37 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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"Danger zone"




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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: pixelpopper] * 2
    #26223875 - 10/02/19 04:39 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

That gave me a good real life laugh

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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: ChardRich] * 1
    #26223952 - 10/02/19 07:14 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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This is bullshit.

You are still full of shit.





Really dood, Triggered much?


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26223991 - 10/02/19 07:58 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

PF Tek jars are sterile if PC'd/steamed correctly. There's no surviving bacteria present. If you haven't killed all bacteria, competing organisms during the PC cycle you're fucked any way you look at it.


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26224546 - 10/02/19 12:32 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

True.

I Steam sterilized 6 jars, left overnight, this morning, all of them had a strong bacterial smell when I dumped them.

I steam sterilize, and use a bowl over the steamer lid, but I think too much steam is escaping, and thus the jars arnt properly sterile.


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: AlienSapien]
    #26224583 - 10/02/19 12:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Your steam sterilization needs work. Or just get a PC.

I have had BRF jars sitting at room temp for a month with literally nothing growing in them. They are on my shelf right now, bacteria and fungi free.

Refrigerating your jars is a good way to slow your mycelial growth and encourage condensation though which might actually encourage bacterial growth if you end up contaminating them.


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: AlienSapien]
    #26224604 - 10/02/19 01:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

AlienSapien, I believe contam concerns are minimal with a PC. as Grimsweeper noted, proper sterilizing, however done, is killing everything. and so long as your PC is still locked down post run very little can get into the sterile space inside the PC. (so overnight cool, I felt, was 'safe' to do in a PC)

For steam sterilizing in a pot, I too would have concerns about contams creeping in if left out for even short periods of time (and why I got the spensive AA75x). Perhaps consider timing the jars process to be ready when you're ready to inoc the cakes is what I'd shoot for if relying on such method, no overnight, no fridge either, just inoc cake jars when cool to the touch.


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hey ChardRich, ease up on the vigilance and constant attack. yah, I been seeing controversial stuff from AlienSapien too and initially vented instead of try and see thru their eyes. I do not believe they are trolling at all, just trying to learn and validate (overkill or wasteful some of it may be, still no valid reason for constant search and destroy tactics you appear to have going on this past day or two...

Find the common ground to comment from, or just ignore, because you are lookin quite the asshat for just barging in and attacking. imo that is more discrediting than *any* noobs weak arguments and ideas.


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: TeaforTwo] * 1
    #26224622 - 10/02/19 01:14 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Alien: Please get a few grows under your belt before giving suggestions about what people should do.


Edited by StygianKnight (10/02/19 04:17 PM)


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26224989 - 10/02/19 03:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

BigSurMoon said:
Quote:

ChardRich said:
This is bullshit.

You are still full of shit.





Really dood, Triggered much?




Yah doooooooood.

This guy goes around posting garbage advice on just about every thread around. Noobs are going to stumble across his bs advice and hurt their grows. The dude doesn't learn so maybe me trolling him will show people he's not accurate.


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: ChardRich]
    #26225142 - 10/02/19 04:58 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ChardRich said:
The dude doesn't learn so maybe me trolling him will show people he's not accurate.




it don't really work like that and just paints you as an aggressive asshat. fight misinformation with facts works because 'innocent bystanders' aren't stupid and rarely are noobs left with a single answer to their questions or searches anyways.

I also believe AS is learning, the pre-sterilize everything has tapered down to a more reasonable/less wasteful approach and even baking verm sounded like it was changed to be only for the dunk and roll phase now. Thing I noticed is AS just don't retract or correct themselves along the way, nor really acknowledge or thank those who correct or guide them to better info on their techniques. but the subtle changes noted between posts from initial on do show something is happening up in the brain space.


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26225153 - 10/02/19 05:01 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

You need some basics here alien.
Cakes are sterile so weather you leave them in a pot or put them on the counter doesn't matter you have killed everything in the jar and you have foil covering a filtered jar


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Re: Place BRF jars in fridge as soon as they are room temprature. [Re: TeaforTwo] * 1
    #26225165 - 10/02/19 05:04 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quote:

TeaforTwo said:
Quote:

ChardRich said:
The dude doesn't learn so maybe me trolling him will show people he's not accurate.




it don't really work like that and just paints you as an aggressive asshat. fight misinformation with facts works because 'innocent bystanders' aren't stupid and rarely are noobs left with a single answer to their questions or searches anyways.

I also believe AS is learning, the pre-sterilize everything has tapered down to a more reasonable/less wasteful approach and even baking verm sounded like it was changed to be only for the dunk and roll phase now. Thing I noticed is AS just don't retract or correct themselves along the way, nor really acknowledge or thank those who correct or guide them to better info on their techniques. but the subtle changes noted between posts from initial on do show something is happening up in the brain space.




Lol okay, buddy. Go look at his ratings and posts. He's not here to learn, he's literally here to post misinformation and bullshit. He's doesn't listen to jack shit.


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