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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: golmo]
    #27313007 - 05/17/21 08:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That's my goal is to get really good strong cactus genetics and try to selectively breed strong hybrids. See if a few good clone names make 500g doses.  I'll look inter that path variety.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27313265 - 05/18/21 05:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

How do you intend to find the most potent ones between hundreds of specimens? I read this thread on DMT Nexus from someone trying to do the same:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80599

Apparently it didn't work out as planned.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: szubsa]
    #27313372 - 05/18/21 07:12 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Nah, I will grow all mine out 3-4 years old to be able to do more accurate asseys. That's why I'm trying to start as many genetics as possible, its a long term investment.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: golmo]
    #27313467 - 05/18/21 08:50 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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one more thing is the dosage. i use 1.2-1.5 kg of fresh cactus from my PC clone only to get a medium dose but you use potent ones with the same weight?? i thought potent ones with 1.5 kg is like 3 high doses. i only once got high trip from 1.2 kg of my pc-i got to a fairytale dimension with like a rainbow lenses on my eyes. but 1.5 kg of matucana pachanoi omg?




That confuses me, too.
Whenever I eat bridgesii I need no more than 250 to 300g of fresh cactus to get a really strong trip. 150 to 200g (a thin 10" cutting) is a medium trip already.
Those "potent" pachanoi don't seem very potent to me when you have to eat half a kilo or more. :strokebeard:

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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27313606 - 05/18/21 10:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I have read part of it being to MAOIs in brigdesii. I wunder if taking harmine would help pach/peruvianus trips taking less plant material.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27313753 - 05/18/21 12:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I have read part of it being to MAOIs in brigdesii. I wunder if taking harmine would help pach/peruvianus trips taking less plant material.



but he compares those pachanois to some of his Bridgesiis.
i do know that some pachanois have more mescaline than bridgesii but i dont think that the 1kg+ is the right weight...


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: golmo]
    #27314845 - 05/19/21 09:46 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The MAOI thing in bridgesii is purely speculative. Has any one ever tried varying dosages of bridgesii, and varying dosages of strong pachanoi? If so, did you feel any actual qualitative differences between strong dosages of bridge and strong dosages of pachanoi, as well as qualitative differences between light dosages of bridge vs light dosages of pach?


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: skelly]
    #27314929 - 05/19/21 10:52 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't do that particularly, but I can tell from my own experience that bridgesii trips don't last any longer than pachanoi trips.

Both last long, :smirk: , but if bridgesii really had a noticable MAOI impact on the effects, then it would also have a noticable impact on the length. But it doesn't..

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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27324527 - 05/27/21 01:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Pachanoi vs bridgesii. Strong bridgesii trips on a good Australian clone in my experience feel different to Matucana pachanoi trips I've tried. 1200g seems reasonable for Mp. 1500g can be a bit much for me. That's slow boiled in cubes for 24 hours.

Bridgesii 1000g seems adequate for me. The trip is different for me not just on a subjective level. Physiological effects on my stomach for example. Each rush of mescaline I feel first in my stomach. Then the psychedelic rush in my mind proceeds after that.

This can go on for a long time at 1000g. Mp it just doesn't feel the same. The trip is different. Smoother but just as strong at 1200g vs 1000g for bridgesii.

I have a long history of using mushrooms at 50g plus fresh. Or 5g plus dried. Cactus may be different to mushrooms but it can really rock me at the dosages I've mentioned.

Best way would be to document dosages for cactus trips I believe. So other people can share that information. Then form their own opinions about what dose works for them.

I believe in freedom of information. Having spent most of my adult life meeting spiritual charlatans who keep information to themselves on the grounds that they are superior to others

I made a vow when I first joined this website to be as honest as possible regarding all information I have. Every one is the same. There are no masters. Just bullshit artists.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana]
    #27326602 - 05/28/21 11:27 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone know much about the Puquio variety of Peruvianus? I'm growing a couple hundred to see what ones prove their weigh but am curious if it's worth the time or if it's unique at all.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana]
    #27333206 - 06/02/21 10:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

When u say MP is smoother, do you mean psychologically, or is it more of a body load uncomfortableness. I ask because I think it makes a lot more sense that bridge contains other chemicals that may upset the stomach, as opposed to alkaloids that actually alter the psychedelic experience.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: skelly]
    #27351517 - 06/16/21 11:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Psychologically the trip is smoother with Mp. With bridgesii well into the trip I feel the rush as my body absorbs the mescaline. So it's like wham not that out of it to really out of it.

This can go on for ages. More than 12 hours. With Mp the trip comes on with a soft euphoric feeling. Very pleasant. Then builds up for hours until it's quite intense. I never have tried ecstacy but Mp can be so blissful on the come up and comedown.

I haven't felt that euphoric on bridgesii. Maybe Jess and the fake Eileen clone had that blissful feeling at the start. Con was quite euphoric when boiled for 24 hours. When I boiled it for only 14 hours it was more racy and less psychedelic. Bridgesii clone Mum and Dad was euphoric on the comedown.

Mp and bridgesii are different trip wise.
I hope you don't have to take my word for it. Having the experience yourself one day.

There is darkness with a strong bridgesii trip. It's there with strong Mp as well. So in that respect they can be the same.


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Re: <font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Yeniden: Matucana pachanoi. </font> [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27967203 - 09/25/22 09:06 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Please let us know how the 7 ribbed Matucana Pachanois are when you try them.  You've sampled a nice collection of clones there.  Very impressive.

Most of my cacti are unnamed plants that I found locally in my area.  The named clones I have tried are PC, Jiimz Bridgesii, Juuls Giant, SS02, and the Altmans Monstrose Pachanoi.  All of those have been good, except for the PC which was weak.

I'm realizing that there are a lot of good Trichos out there.  And they each have their own character.  In recent years I have been propagating more copies of 2 unnamed plants I found locally.  They both appear to be Scops or Scop/Pach hybrids.  Fat, broad ribs.  Tiny areoles and spines.  Pups emerge with real fat ribs on them.  They are probably my favorite Trichos so far.  Euphoric, visual, and strong.  I add in some Bridgesii to the tea and I'm flying lol.  So if you havent already tried that type of Tricho maybe be on the look out.




Grey Fox and Heyowana I have been following you for a long time and benefit from your experience. Thank you for that.
The named clones Jiimz Bridgesii, Juuls Giant, SS02, and the Altmans Monstrose Pachanoi.

Is pachanoi monstrose stronger than Ogun and Juuls Giant?

Can you give more details about the clones you mentioned here? Which of them was the strongest? including scopulicola. If you have tried other clones in this process, they are also included. It is said to be strongest for SS02 and Ogun. That's what the analysis says. But your opinion is important to me. Is it really that strong?


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana]
    #27967224 - 09/25/22 09:21 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Psychologically the trip is smoother with Mp. With bridgesii well into the trip I feel the rush as my body absorbs the mescaline. So it's like wham not that out of it to really out of it.

This can go on for ages. More than 12 hours. With Mp the trip comes on with a soft euphoric feeling. Very pleasant. Then builds up for hours until it's quite intense. I never have tried ecstacy but Mp can be so blissful on the come up and comedown.

I haven't felt that euphoric on bridgesii. Maybe Jess and the fake Eileen clone had that blissful feeling at the start. Con was quite euphoric when boiled for 24 hours. When I boiled it for only 14 hours it was more racy and less psychedelic. Bridgesii clone Mum and Dad was euphoric on the comedown.

Mp and bridgesii are different trip wise.
I hope you don't have to take my word for it. Having the experience yourself one day.

There is darkness with a strong bridgesii trip. It's there with strong Mp as well. So in that respect they can be the same.





I sincerely follow what you write. You shared the properties of named clones that I was very curious about and I was happy. But lately you've been talking about a lot of matucana clones and I'm bored. Can't you try another cactus and write the report? Because there are those who don't have the matucana cacti you have. It gives a lot more excitement with named clones. For example, can't you share your new experiences with super pedro, psycho0, ss02, pachanoi monstrose, scopulucola and even bruce and eileen?


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: jingamin]
    #27967225 - 09/25/22 09:21 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Between the two clones I used, the Trichocereus ''Tig'' strain had much more visual impact than the Trichocereus ''Juuls Giant'' strain.

I used, the Trichocereus ''Sharxx Blue'' strain caused much more nausea than the ''Bogan'' strain. But their effects and strengths were the same in both.

Trichocereus "HELON" strain; It was the worst of the Trichocereus strains I tried. Visual effects were almost absent and very poor. Goliath, again one of the weakest.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: jingamin]
    #27967449 - 09/25/22 12:01 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It would be great to see this thread revived again.  We miss you Heyowana.  Hope all is well.

Jingamin those two cacti were from a local nursery that ended up going out of business during the height of the pandemic.  Its a shame because they had some interesting specimens that you don't see everywhere.

The first one was labelled "El Chapo":










The second one was labelled " Gigante":






I'm not sure if they are the same clone or not, but they sure are VERY similar, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are the same.

These cacti are similar in appearance to Juuls Giant, but the areoles are a little bit smaller, the ribs are a little bit broader, and they consistently have one fewer rib per column than Juuls. 

Here is a side by side comparison of El Chapo on the left and Juuls Giant on the right:




From my experience the El Chapo and Gigante are both excellent for entheogenic purposes.  These two cacti are the strongest Trichocereus I have tried that are not Bridgesii.  If Bridgesii is a 10 out of 10 in terms of potency, then these two are an 8 out of 10.  They are close to Bridgesii in strength.  But they have never caused me any of the unpleasant physical side effects that Bridgesii does, and the trips are more euphoric and Pachanoi-like in nature.  These are very nice cacti.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27968785 - 09/26/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Is pachanoi monstrose stronger than el chapo and Juuls Giant?


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: jingamin]
    #27969600 - 09/26/22 06:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

For me the El Chapo and Gigante have been stronger than Altmans TPM or Juuls Giant.  Its hard to say if TPM or Juuls is stronger.  They have been variable for me, sometimes very strong, sometimes not so much.  I am not consistent about aging/stressing cuttings.  And I don't take notes about when cuttings are harvested or how much they weigh, etc.  I don't think that I would make a good scientist lol.  But I consider all four of those clones to be very nice.  Bridgesii has still been the strongest overall for me though.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27970437 - 09/27/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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For me the El Chapo and Gigante have been stronger than Altmans TPM or Juuls Giant.  Its hard to say if TPM or Juuls is stronger.  They have been variable for me, sometimes very strong, sometimes not so much.  I am not consistent about aging/stressing cuttings.  And I don't take notes about when cuttings are harvested or how much they weigh, etc.  I don't think that I would make a good scientist lol.  But I consider all four of those clones to be very nice.  Bridgesii has still been the strongest overall for me though.




From now on be a scientist and write everything down on paper :smile:
We're making jokes, but it's really helpful to record them and write them down.

I have juuls giant x psycho0. Some are pachanoi-dominated hybrids, some are bridgesii-dominated hybrids, and there are pachanoi monstrose. Next year they'll be big enough and I'll try. That's why I asked you I'm very curious about juuls giant and pachanoi monstrose.


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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: jingamin]
    #27972224 - 09/28/22 01:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

All the best with your cacti Jingamin.


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